For Those With STS
02-25-2006, 08:07 PM
#1
For Those With STS
For those in the forum that have STS in their cars, how easy is it for you to shift? I just put a Pacesetter in today, compared to OEM it is much firmer, but no grinding in gears or anything. Have heard it will take some time before it becomes smoother. Anybody have any input on my scenario? let me know?
02-26-2006, 05:35 AM
#2
Originally Posted by jkmay01
For those in the forum that have STS in their cars, how easy is it for you to shift? I just put a Pacesetter in today, compared to OEM it is much firmer, but no grinding in gears or anything. Have heard it will take some time before it becomes smoother. Anybody have any input on my scenario? let me know?
Pacesetters definitely aren't as smooth as stock....you just get used to it.
02-26-2006, 12:36 PM
#3
I removed my Pacesetter after about 5000 miles. It would be smooth at start, but as the exhaust got warmer something expanded and it was very tough to shift. I hated it with a passion and installed a B&M for a 4th gen. Its better, but I almost wish I just cut the stock one shorter.
02-26-2006, 09:34 PM
#5
It also might depend on how high the pivot ball is set. When I bought mine, it was all the way up(shifter set to lowest setting), and I had to fight the lever to get it in gear. I moved the ball halfway, and it was much better. I also installed washers under the pivot ball holder, without which the lever would barely move.
Edited due to directional misinformation.
Edited due to directional misinformation.
02-27-2006, 10:37 AM
#6
Originally Posted by todamax
I removed my Pacesetter after about 5000 miles. It would be smooth at start, but as the exhaust got warmer something expanded and it was very tough to shift. I hated it with a passion and installed a B&M for a 4th gen. Its better, but I almost wish I just cut the stock one shorter.
at first the shift is buttery smooth, can get into and out of gears with a flick of the wrist, but as the exhaust heats up man... on comes the damn tar feeling, not as smooth, much more effort is needed. Does this only happen with the Pacesetter shifter? or all other STS?
02-27-2006, 10:55 AM
#7
Originally Posted by jkmay01
EXACTLY, i thought i was going insane!!! at first the shift is buttery smooth, can get into and out of gears with a flick of the wrist, but as the exhaust heats up man... on comes the damn tar feeling, not as smooth, much more effort is needed. Does this only happen with the Pacesetter shifter? or all other STS?
at first the shift is buttery smooth, can get into and out of gears with a flick of the wrist, but as the exhaust heats up man... on comes the damn tar feeling, not as smooth, much more effort is needed. Does this only happen with the Pacesetter shifter? or all other STS?pacesetter and I believe the SMC is the same way. Try what es_amixam said and put washers in there to give you a little more room.
I think the problem is that the pivot ball expands with heat. I know its been discussed by a couple that own them on here. I remember a couple of real big discussions with possible solutions. Try to search and see what you come up with.
02-27-2006, 11:22 AM
#8
I just remembered that I only used one washer, since that's all I had available at the time I was installing the shifter. For the other bolt, I just inserted the shifter spring bracket between the pivot ball holder and the shift rod.
02-27-2006, 12:19 PM
#9
Originally Posted by Michael
pacesetter and I believe the SMC is the same way. Try what es_amixam said and put washers in there to give you a little more room.
I think the problem is that the pivot ball expands with heat. I know its been discussed by a couple that own them on here. I remember a couple of real big discussions with possible solutions. Try to search and see what you come up with.
I think the problem is that the pivot ball expands with heat. I know its been discussed by a couple that own them on here. I remember a couple of real big discussions with possible solutions. Try to search and see what you come up with.
so i asked is the stillness due to the heat from the cat which is expanding the bearing? he was like what you may want to do is place another heatshield on the CAT to keep the bearing cooler!! 
now how dumb does that sound? still trying to search the forum for other solutions on the problem.
02-27-2006, 07:42 PM
#10
Originally Posted by Michael
cutting it shorter will not give you a STS. If you move the stock ball up though it will give you a STS. Thats what I did this time.
The B&M knock off I installed to replace the pacesh!tter doesn't have the heat issue. I do need to use lock tight on the bolts though, becuase it has loosened up quite a bit.
02-28-2006, 06:33 AM
#13
yeah that makes sense i guess... but its just like replacing your injectors... you buy the knock off remann pythons and you gotta waste more money or time and effort very soon down the road. I don't make much money myself but when i have my heart set on something, I don't like to save a few bucks and hope that it works. just my two cents
02-28-2006, 07:16 AM
#14
Originally Posted by kiyakerz
yeah that makes sense i guess... but its just like replacing your injectors... you buy the knock off remann pythons and you gotta waste more money or time and effort very soon down the road. I don't make much money myself but when i have my heart set on something, I don't like to save a few bucks and hope that it works. just my two cents
Why spend an extra $100 for essentially the same thing.
Of course I am even cheaper and just moved the ball on the stock shifter this time...think about it. I get the factory shifter that is known good and shorten the shifts some. Quality product for free. I dont expect it to be perfect because the pivot angle is changed (as with all STSs) but it should be as good as the Stillen as long as I dont go too short with it.
02-28-2006, 08:47 AM
#15
point taken and understood. I do things myself just like that if i feel its worth my time. In this case I prefer Stillen but by no means is your way bad. I'm sure if I had access to the tools needed to do it (shorten the shifter) I would too. I almost did at one time until I found how the STS is different. so I felt I would rather get the hassle free sts. Only reason for my logic is, I can't stand having reoccuring problems.
02-28-2006, 04:21 PM
#16
Originally Posted by kiyakerz
point taken and understood. I do things myself just like that if i feel its worth my time. In this case I prefer Stillen but by no means is your way bad. I'm sure if I had access to the tools needed to do it (shorten the shifter) I would too. I almost did at one time until I found how the STS is different. so I felt I would rather get the hassle free sts. Only reason for my logic is, I can't stand having reoccuring problems.
The only tool required is an oven to heat the shifter up and a rubber mallet to move the ball. Simple as that nothing special required.
also dont get me wrong. I am in no way trying to talk you out of the Stillen because it is a quality piece...If I had the money and hadnt found out about moving the pivot ball from Matt I would probably buy one. If you buy the Stillen you will not be dissapointed from all the posts I have seen on it.
02-28-2006, 10:33 PM
#18
i have an extra shifter that i could sell you
Originally Posted by kiyakerz
coolness, that sounds fun, and i do have good access to my shifter atm since I've got the whole interior pulled. I just have so much to do right now that I don't think I'd be able to handle that.
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