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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 09:53 AM
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I DO NOT OWN THIS PHOTO IT BELONGS TO MAXUS09.COM AS WELL AS THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF THE VEHICLE. THE INTENT OF THE PHOTO ABOVE WAS JUST TO SHOW THAT THE CAR CAN HANDLE A SMALL LOAD OF TOWING CAPACITY, ONCE TURBO'ED

..........Now would you like to know the REST of that story?

That's MY trailer (well I rented it anyway) and tow hitch, hooked to Brad92SE's Turbo VE.

I drove my VE to the track with the trailer (there's about 500lb of stuff in there, BTW) and blew the engine at the track. since I was the event organizer and was bringing a booth for BlehmCo, I had to have some way to get it all to the car show. Brad volunteered to let me put the hitch on his car and he drove the trailer from the track to Dallas.

I then put the hitch on Jayson Byrd's 3 gen (blackandwhite) and he drove the trailer from Dallas back to Houston after the show so I could unload the stuff, then then dropped the trailer off near his house on the north side of Houston.

So in one weekend, three 3 gens towed that damn trailer around a good portion of Texas.


All that said, all of the cars were 5 spds and were towing on basically flat ground. None of the cars had a problem towing that trailer.

The tow hitch bolts to the rear bumper support framework- if you can call what's back there "frame". There are actually bolt holes back there from the factory to attach a tow hitch. It's only a Class I hitch rated for like 3000lb, but the car shouldn't tow any more than about 1500lb or so. I have much larger than factory brakes and had no problems pulling it or stopping it. (hell, I was doing 100+mph with that trailer on several occasions and cruised 100+ miles at 80+mph with it.)

I WOULD NOT tow across country with an automatic. Across town, sure. Turn the overdrive off and go. (NEVER, EVER TOW WITH THE OVERDRIVE ON IN ANY VEHICLE!!!!!) 1000lb? sure. no problems. Just make sure you double your stopping distances and make sure you have good brake pads on it.

Towing through mountains on an automatic? I wouldn't try it if it were my car.
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Niccos89
OK, I've driven 4 3rd gens....they ALL make an RPM difference in ANY input gear ratio, even when restricted to 1 or 2....maybe this is another Australian specification thing as well? God only knows why that is....or maybe Nissan only knows why that is.
Higher on the RPM band, it feels like a shift, and fair call, but why would that be the case?...why wouldnt Nissan just make a box with 1 - 2 - 3 - D - N - R - P setup? (I've seen that setup, with O/D on aussie vehicles, but not oversea's produced vehicles).
Explain how you can feel O/D engaging / disengaging at the command of the computer, between shifts, while accelerating....?
Maybe this needs its own thread for friendly debate....
You're not feeling the O/D engage/disengage. You're feeling the torque converter lock up/slip.
Our transmissions have four forward gears. 3rd gear is 1:1. 4th gear is 0.694:1, which is a "true overdrive" since the mainshaft spins faster than the input shaft.

The shifter itself only uses 1-3 and then 4th gear (OD) is engaged via the button on the side of the stick. Why it is that way, I don't know. But that's the way Nissan designed it.

the feeling you get in each gear is again the torque converter locking up, NOT the thing shifting into overdrive in each gear.

FYI... The last cars that had external overdrives were built in the 60s. Ford used an external secondary electronic overdrive on the end of their 3 spd manual tranny so you could run it through 1st, let off the gas and engage 1-OD and go farther in 1st gear.
do it again in 2nd.
and again in 3rd.
so the car had 6 forward gear ratios with only three shifts and one additional electronic overdrive. pretty sweet actually.
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt93SE
You're not feeling the O/D engage/disengage. You're feeling the torque converter lock up/slip.
Our transmissions have four forward gears. 3rd gear is 1:1. 4th gear is 0.694:1, which is a "true overdrive" since the mainshaft spins faster than the input shaft.

The shifter itself only uses 1-3 and then 4th gear (OD) is engaged via the button on the side of the stick. Why it is that way, I don't know. But that's the way Nissan designed it.

the feeling you get in each gear is again the torque converter locking up, NOT the thing shifting into overdrive in each gear.

FYI... The last cars that had external overdrives were built in the 60s. Ford used an external secondary electronic overdrive on the end of their 3 spd manual tranny so you could run it through 1st, let off the gas and engage 1-OD and go farther in 1st gear.
do it again in 2nd.
and again in 3rd.
so the car had 6 forward gear ratios with only three shifts and one additional electronic overdrive. pretty sweet actually.
I can especially confirm this, since i wired a manual TC lockup switch on my a/t... somehow there was a safety mechanism that prevented lockup in 1st gear despite the TC lockup solenoid being hardwired ON, but in 2nd-4th the rpms were totally solid, just like a manual tranny... and the o/d switch didn't do a darn thing except allow me to enter 4th gear. Granted, driving in such a "manual mode" killed my tranny..... or so i assume, but it did allow me to actually see the true speed/rpm correlation, instead of the wishy-washy depends-on-throttle nature of proper automatic transmission driving. It also let me know i had a bad front motor mount, since it would slam the entire front end of the car around every time i tried to 'rev match' a downshift.
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt93SE
..........Now would you like to know the REST of that story?

That's MY trailer (well I rented it anyway) and tow hitch, hooked to Brad92SE's Turbo VE.

I drove my VE to the track with the trailer (there's about 500lb of stuff in there, BTW) and blew the engine at the track. since I was the event organizer and was bringing a booth for BlehmCo, I had to have some way to get it all to the car show. Brad volunteered to let me put the hitch on his car and he drove the trailer from the track to Dallas.

I then put the hitch on Jayson Byrd's 3 gen (blackandwhite) and he drove the trailer from Dallas back to Houston after the show so I could unload the stuff, then then dropped the trailer off near his house on the north side of Houston.

So in one weekend, three 3 gens towed that damn trailer around a good portion of Texas.


All that said, all of the cars were 5 spds and were towing on basically flat ground. None of the cars had a problem towing that trailer.

The tow hitch bolts to the rear bumper support framework- if you can call what's back there "frame". There are actually bolt holes back there from the factory to attach a tow hitch. It's only a Class I hitch rated for like 3000lb, but the car shouldn't tow any more than about 1500lb or so. I have much larger than factory brakes and had no problems pulling it or stopping it. (hell, I was doing 100+mph with that trailer on several occasions and cruised 100+ miles at 80+mph with it.)

I WOULD NOT tow across country with an automatic. Across town, sure. Turn the overdrive off and go. (NEVER, EVER TOW WITH THE OVERDRIVE ON IN ANY VEHICLE!!!!!) 1000lb? sure. no problems. Just make sure you double your stopping distances and make sure you have good brake pads on it.

Towing through mountains on an automatic? I wouldn't try it if it were my car.
dude..i was joking.

chillout.
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AM_BlackMax
dude..i was joking.

chillout.
all i read into it was that he was telling an entertaining story about past Maxus's
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 04:47 PM
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Don't mind blackmax, he gets butthurt quite often..
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Greeny
Don't mind blackmax, he gets butthurt quite often..
give him some shopping kartz to tow around with his max... he'll be alright
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Greeny
Don't mind blackmax, he gets butthurt quite often..
Awwwwwwwwww
Old Feb 23, 2009 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Niccos89
OK, I've driven 4 3rd gens....they ALL make an RPM difference in ANY input gear ratio, even when restricted to 1 or 2....maybe this is another Australian specification thing as well? God only knows why that is....or maybe Nissan only knows why that is.
Higher on the RPM band, it feels like a shift, and fair call, but why would that be the case?...why wouldnt Nissan just make a box with 1 - 2 - 3 - D - N - R - P setup? (I've seen that setup, with O/D on aussie vehicles, but not oversea's produced vehicles).
Explain how you can feel O/D engaging / disengaging at the command of the computer, between shifts, while accelerating....?
Maybe this needs its own thread for friendly debate....
No difference in the Australian 3rd gen Autos, the OD is simply 4th Gear, exactly the same as 5th gear on 5speed Manual transmissions, by selecting the O/D off switch, you are just preventing the transmission selecting 4th Gear, no more no less. Exactly the same as leaving a 5speed in 4th Gear. The O/D switch has no impact on 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or reverse gears. Also, the Torque converter lockup clutch does not operate in 1st or 2nd. It will operate in 3rd if you exceed 90km/h with the OD switch off, or over 70km/h in 4th (OD switch on).

The only switch that will make a difference to the auto shifting points is the power/comfort switch which simply changes the shift points, in Power, it holds gears longer before up shifting, downshifts with less throttle input.
Old Feb 26, 2009 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunther
I appreciated it....

on a side note - do the 5.5 brakes clear stock rims?
i checked today, and no, they wont. With a spacer they MIGHT, if you look at the shape of the inside of the wheel, you can see how you lose clearance on the last inch or so.. but you can just as easily get some 4.5genSE wheels which are 16", which look good on our cars anyways.
Old Feb 26, 2009 | 08:26 PM
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thanks for the info - i'll look into it
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