I just picked up my car from the local install shop, where I had keyless entry and remote start installed. I bought the start/keyless system myself (because they didn't have one I needed) and got them to install it. Well, they say they had a tough time doing it, and everything works the way it's supposed to... except for the keyless entry.

Basically if I lock the door the old fashioned way and open it with the remote, the alarm goes off. The tech said I have to lock the doors with the remote if I want to use the remote to unlock it. He said there wasn't anything he could do about this because the lock is electro-mechanical and gives a ground or something when the key is used to disarm the alarm.

1) Is there some way around this? Some kind of weird relay juggling act maybe? ANYTHING! I want to be able to lock the door normally and then come back and unlock it with the remote.

2) I don't think the alarm arms if I use the remote to lock it. Not a big issue, especially if I can get problem 1 fixed.

I wish I knew there might be this conflict earlier, otherwise I might not have bothered with keyless entry! I know I should sit down with my FSM later and study the alarm system, but I'm not going to pretend to know what I'm doing (haven't done much electrical anything since high school). I just thought I'd throw this out here to vent frustration and get some input. Thanks everyone!

When you unlock the door with a key, or open the trunk with a key, a switch at the locks GROUNDS one of the wires to the factory alarm. This disables it. The remote entry needs to use one of its relays that switches to ground upon opening, and connect to this wire that needs the ground to disable the factory alarm.

I can't rememnber the color, because I did mine two years ago, but if you study the FSM, you'll seeit. That's where I figured it out.

Nothing to do with electromechanical switches. Sounds like the installer had not done a Max before.


Good luck,
John

send me an email craigbrace@hotmail.com and I'll tell you what you need to do

it can be fixed pretty easy
I dont have time to explain now but I will tomorrow

ok, I'm back

you need to find where they spliced into your door locks, probably at your door lock timer under the dash to the right of the steering column, but I dont know for sure since its Canadian and they're crazy up there

anyway, find the lock wire coming from the keyless entry unit (it will be connected to your lock wire - grey/red on US cars), connect it to the arm wire of your stock alarm. I know US stock alarms are under the dash but I'm pretty sure I remember seeing a pic in the FSM that yours is somewhere else hidden behind the dash; look it up in your FSM. Then find the unlock wire (light green/white or black, LG/B and LG/W are the arm/disarm, I just dont remember off hand which is whcih, check my site to find out)
So just connect the lock to arm and it will arm the stock alarm everytime you hit the lock button

for unlock, you dont want to just connect it because then someone could break your window, hit the unlock button on the drivers side and disarm it
you need to find the unlock coming from keyless (same place as lock probably) and run a wire to the stock disarm. In the wire though, you need to add a diode (I used 1N004 type because I had that laying around). I can send you one in the mail if you want .
___[| ]___ stock unlock
keyless unit unlock wire---/______ stock disarm

Diode faces to the left (white line is on left side) this prevents current from flowing back towards the disarm when you unlock it (it wont prevent it from happening like it should when you unlock with a key). Normally you'd put the diode the other wya, but we're dealing with a ground signal

That should be it, let me know how it turns out
You need to wire it so that the line on one end of it faces towards the

leave the door unlock, shut all door(trunk and hood), then use keyless to lock? i do it and it work with my 93 se. this is if u don't want to hassle with taking your column apart.

yeah, your post makes it sound like you lock your doors the old way and the alarm doesn't arm, and then when you press the keyless button, you unlock the doors and arm the alarm. kinda interesting. but i think 93max's advice might work, my mom's car you have to do something like that with.

Thanks Craig, I think I know what to do from your instructions, but what are those 2 pictures in the message?

Also, I'm a little fuzzy on which way the diode is facing. Is the diode line (diagram-wise) facing the remote unit unlock?

After looking at the FSM wiring diagram this looks so intuitive and simple.... I think the guy/s who installed it just got frustrated and didn't hook up the (-)arm and (-)disarm leads coming off the remote unit, which it has. I think he just did the lock splice at the timer like u said and then just couldn't figure out the alarm arming. (They said it took them forever and he sounded stressed out!) It seems that the door lock timer and alarm aren't related at all, which is why the alarm doesn't arm/disarm when the remote does it's thing. Correct?

So... it almost seems like I could just hook up the arm/disarm leads that come on the unit to the appropriate wires on the alarm, doesn't it?

I'm not sure why he had such "trouble"... if they had schematics like they said they did I don't know what the problem was.

I didn't realize you had unused arm/disarm. Just hook those up

Light green/black and light green/white are arm and disarm. not sure which is which off hand, check my site http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte671n/mymax.html
at the stock alarm module which is somewhere different for your car than mine so find the FSM