VG30-FF Engine?????
#1
VG30-FF Engine?????
Anyone ever heard of this engine? Only $650-750 at http://www.nippon-motors.com/prices.htm which is a highly respected engine sourcer. It lists the engine as a Performance Engine for the Maxima buy my searches for information on this engine have been fruitless. Anyone have any information?
"Nissan Performance Engine VG30-FF(Maxima) 3.0 6 650/750 Dual key way"
"Nissan Performance Engine VG30-FF(Maxima) 3.0 6 650/750 Dual key way"
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Re: VG30-FF Engine?????
Originally posted by Cincy94Max
Anyone ever heard of this engine? Only $650-750 at http://www.nippon-motors.com/prices.htm which is a highly respected engine sourcer. It lists the engine as a Performance Engine for the Maxima buy my searches for information on this engine have been fruitless. Anyone have any information?
"Nissan Performance Engine VG30-FF(Maxima) 3.0 6 650/750 Dual key way"
Anyone ever heard of this engine? Only $650-750 at http://www.nippon-motors.com/prices.htm which is a highly respected engine sourcer. It lists the engine as a Performance Engine for the Maxima buy my searches for information on this engine have been fruitless. Anyone have any information?
"Nissan Performance Engine VG30-FF(Maxima) 3.0 6 650/750 Dual key way"
SOCH
well at least that's what i was told
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Re: Re: VG30-FF Engine?????
Originally posted by maxima_dumby
220 horsey
SOCH
well at least that's what i was told
220 horsey
SOCH
well at least that's what i was told
Interesting, very interesting.
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#4
i wonder
would doing a JDM engine swap be legal thou? How will we ever know if the JDM engine will pass the smog test or not, and by the time we do, we would have already spend at least a grand putting in engine in.
would doing a JDM engine swap be legal thou? How will we ever know if the JDM engine will pass the smog test or not, and by the time we do, we would have already spend at least a grand putting in engine in.
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#5
Originally posted by mtcookson
how are they pulling that much more hp?
how are they pulling that much more hp?
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#6
Originally posted by maxima_dumby
i wonder
would doing a JDM engine swap be legal thou? How will we ever know if the JDM engine will pass the smog test or not, and by the time we do, we would have already spend at least a grand putting in engine in.
i wonder
would doing a JDM engine swap be legal thou? How will we ever know if the JDM engine will pass the smog test or not, and by the time we do, we would have already spend at least a grand putting in engine in.
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#7
Originally posted by Cincy94Max
like the 510, the VG stands out like a champ because of its ample torque and decent horsepower.
like the 510, the VG stands out like a champ because of its ample torque and decent horsepower.
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#8
Originally posted by Cincy94Max
With an N/A engine, JDM engine swaps should pass a smog test. They will of course fail the visual in Cali and other **** states, but in most states the technicians could care less about the engine in the car. As long as it passes the sniffer and has a cat they don't care. Look at the Honda camp. They import JDM engines all the time and still have about the same emissions. It's engines like the SR20DET, which are turbocharged that don't pass emissions. In general a N/A car will pass emissions unless it is making an absurd amount of horsepower over stock.
With an N/A engine, JDM engine swaps should pass a smog test. They will of course fail the visual in Cali and other **** states, but in most states the technicians could care less about the engine in the car. As long as it passes the sniffer and has a cat they don't care. Look at the Honda camp. They import JDM engines all the time and still have about the same emissions. It's engines like the SR20DET, which are turbocharged that don't pass emissions. In general a N/A car will pass emissions unless it is making an absurd amount of horsepower over stock.
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#9
Originally posted by mykizism
its all about the emissions system, wheather you choose to use them or not.. just because its a turbo motor doesnt mean it wont pass emission anymore than a Na car would.
its all about the emissions system, wheather you choose to use them or not.. just because its a turbo motor doesnt mean it wont pass emission anymore than a Na car would.
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#10
Originally posted by Cincy94Max
Very true. But I was trying to make a point that it is usually much easier to make a STOCK JDM engine pass emissions if it is N/A. This is assuming you have a CAT installed in the correct location in the exhaust stream. I have read of very few SR20DET owners who claim to have passed emissions. Some say it can be done, but I believe it involves blowing off almost all of the boost. Hence it almost turns into a N/A engine. In almost all cases, any turbo that did not come stock on a USDM engine will most likely fail emissions unless it is properly tuned or the boost is defeated.
Very true. But I was trying to make a point that it is usually much easier to make a STOCK JDM engine pass emissions if it is N/A. This is assuming you have a CAT installed in the correct location in the exhaust stream. I have read of very few SR20DET owners who claim to have passed emissions. Some say it can be done, but I believe it involves blowing off almost all of the boost. Hence it almost turns into a N/A engine. In almost all cases, any turbo that did not come stock on a USDM engine will most likely fail emissions unless it is properly tuned or the boost is defeated.
I think it's stupid how the US has such **** emission standrads, but then when you go outside you see cars everyday that are rusted to the core and spewing clouds of smoke in all kind of colors. That is usually when i asked myself, if those car can do that why can i have a JDM skyline?????
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Originally posted by maxima_dumby
I think it's stupid how the US has such **** emission standrads, but then when you go outside you see cars everyday that are rusted to the core and spewing clouds of smoke in all kind of colors. That is usually when i asked myself, if those car can do that why can i have a JDM skyline?????
I think it's stupid how the US has such **** emission standrads, but then when you go outside you see cars everyday that are rusted to the core and spewing clouds of smoke in all kind of colors. That is usually when i asked myself, if those car can do that why can i have a JDM skyline?????
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#12
Originally posted by mtcookson
i would hope they didn't increase compression. I'm wanting to turbo it if i get it.
i would hope they didn't increase compression. I'm wanting to turbo it if i get it.
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#14
Originally posted by Cincy94Max
To me, having an old car is no excuse for emissions.
To me, having an old car is no excuse for emissions.
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now wouldn't it suck for you if they made emissions even stricter than they are now, and since the age of the car doesn't matter, you would have to pay to get your car within specs?
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Does anyone know anything else about this engine? I've been looking for the Japanese version for quite a long time. It ****es me off because I think I looked at Nippon Motors before, and I must have just passed by that engine. I just can't believe its only $650-$750 and puts out 220hp. I mean its not unbelievable or anything but, that's a cheap price for such a great increase in power/performance. I just got my tax return too so I think I will order one immediately! I need to find out more from them first though.
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#16
Originally posted by Shadow1198
Does anyone know anything else about this engine? I've been looking for the Japanese version for quite a long time. It ****es me off because I think I looked at Nippon Motors before, and I must have just passed by that engine. I just can't believe its only $650-$750 and puts out 220hp. I mean its not unbelievable or anything but, that's a cheap price for such a great increase in power/performance. I just got my tax return too so I think I will order one immediately! I need to find out more from them first though.
Does anyone know anything else about this engine? I've been looking for the Japanese version for quite a long time. It ****es me off because I think I looked at Nippon Motors before, and I must have just passed by that engine. I just can't believe its only $650-$750 and puts out 220hp. I mean its not unbelievable or anything but, that's a cheap price for such a great increase in power/performance. I just got my tax return too so I think I will order one immediately! I need to find out more from them first though.
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#17
i just e-mailed nippon and they said the performance listing was incorrect and that the engine is a regular maxima engine and that the FF mean fuel injected front wheel drive... i guess we're just back to turboing and such.
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#18
Originally posted by mtcookson
i just e-mailed nippon and they said the performance listing was incorrect and that the engine is a regular maxima engine and that the FF mean fuel injected front wheel drive...
i just e-mailed nippon and they said the performance listing was incorrect and that the engine is a regular maxima engine and that the FF mean fuel injected front wheel drive...
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Originally posted by mtcookson
i just e-mailed nippon and they said the performance listing was incorrect and that the engine is a regular maxima engine and that the FF mean fuel injected front wheel drive... i guess we're just back to turboing and such.
i just e-mailed nippon and they said the performance listing was incorrect and that the engine is a regular maxima engine and that the FF mean fuel injected front wheel drive... i guess we're just back to turboing and such.
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#20
Bastards!
I had the money and was about to buy that engine in a few days. Though, what is Maxima_Dumby talking about 220hp sohc??? Is there some other motor not many of us know about or something? Whats the 220hp thing? I'm beginning to get confused. I thought I knew a good amount about Datsun/Nissan engines but, I've never heard of any stock factory perf. engine for Maximas. Damn Nissan.
I love 'em but, who in here wouldn't have loved a factory 3.2l 24v dohc 230hp engine option. Oh well. Just when I thought I could get some great power cheap. Now its back to deciding between all engine or vg30et for me, and its not going to be cheap.
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#21
at least you were informed about it before you went and spent 750 on an engine you already have. that is crap though, and that one engine that was being talked about on here that pulls 300 hp is $9000!!!! that's more than our cars would ever be worth.
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#22
Originally posted by Shadow1198
Bastards!
I had the money and was about to buy that engine in a few days. Though, what is Maxima_Dumby talking about 220hp sohc??? Is there some other motor not many of us know about or something? Whats the 220hp thing? I'm beginning to get confused. I thought I knew a good amount about Datsun/Nissan engines but, I've never heard of any stock factory perf. engine for Maximas. Damn Nissan.
I love 'em but, who in here wouldn't have loved a factory 3.2l 24v dohc 230hp engine option. Oh well. Just when I thought I could get some great power cheap. Now its back to deciding between all engine or vg30et for me, and its not going to be cheap.
Bastards!
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It's not on thier site but if you contact them and ask them about it they will send you the info...
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#23
Yeah, I've already had extensive discussions with Greg Hekimian. Are you sure it is 220hp at the wheels? I guess I am so used to crank HP that I didn't even think about that. Damn, I think I will consider his $4k engine. 220fwhp is something like 250-260hp at the crank, if I'm not mistaken. For $4k, 260hp is a great deal but I always disregarded that engine since I was thinking 220hp crank, which isn't the best for your money.
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#24
Originally posted by Shadow1198
220fwhp is something like 250-260hp at the crank, if I'm not mistaken.
220fwhp is something like 250-260hp at the crank, if I'm not mistaken.
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Fun car to drive but not has powerful as they (Nissan) lead on...
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#25
Originally posted by nismo1989
Yeah, 40-60% drivetrain loss is expected. Just look at the so-called 175hp SE-R spec V
Fun car to drive but not has powerful as they (Nissan) lead on...
Yeah, 40-60% drivetrain loss is expected. Just look at the so-called 175hp SE-R spec V
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Originally posted by nismo1989
Yeah, 40-60% drivetrain loss is expected. Just look at the so-called 175hp SE-R spec V
Fun car to drive but not has powerful as they (Nissan) lead on...
Yeah, 40-60% drivetrain loss is expected. Just look at the so-called 175hp SE-R spec V
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#27
what the heck are you guys talking about, why would u even want an all motor car, all motor is slow
boost all the way baby
boost all the way baby
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#29
Originally posted by Cincy94Max
Ummmmmm.......NO. 15% drivetrain loss is around normal for a 5-speed. Automatics are around 20-25%. AWD cars have around 20%. As for the Sentra, it is making the power it should. If you take a Sentra off the lot and go dyno test it, it will not perform up to spec, but if you follow the break in schedule and then dyno it you will get the specs you want. One Sentra SE-R Spec V owner followed the break in schedule and dynoed with 5,000 on his car. I forget the exact HP, but he calculated it to be only 16% drivetrain loss, which is completely acceptable.
Ummmmmm.......NO. 15% drivetrain loss is around normal for a 5-speed. Automatics are around 20-25%. AWD cars have around 20%. As for the Sentra, it is making the power it should. If you take a Sentra off the lot and go dyno test it, it will not perform up to spec, but if you follow the break in schedule and then dyno it you will get the specs you want. One Sentra SE-R Spec V owner followed the break in schedule and dynoed with 5,000 on his car. I forget the exact HP, but he calculated it to be only 16% drivetrain loss, which is completely acceptable.
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#30
Originally posted by DA-MAX
not necesarily true!!! depends on what type of all motor car you build and how much you build it up....
not necesarily true!!! depends on what type of all motor car you build and how much you build it up....
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#31
Originally posted by mykizism
haha i know , But boost all the way baby!!!
haha i know , But boost all the way baby!!!
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#32
Originally posted by nismo1989
I say: What's the point in investing all of that time and money into a great turbo when the rest of your engine is just okay, or worst, just dumpy??? When I hit 250K miles I think I might go with the $4K VG...
I say: What's the point in investing all of that time and money into a great turbo when the rest of your engine is just okay, or worst, just dumpy??? When I hit 250K miles I think I might go with the $4K VG...
u think plan, replace/rebuild what ever is needed, upgrade the injectors fuel system
i never said just take ur engine as it is right now and just throw on a turbo..
and i wouldnt pay 4k for better prepped/high compression VG
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#33
IMO a 220hp NA VG engine sounds better than a 200hp turbo VG engine. NA is more reliable hp. You could get a lot more hp out of a turbo than that but your either gonna spend 5K on a turbo or replace it in a year after it's broken anyway. I think SkyMax said he's been through several...
Turbo is cool and all and sounds neat but I personally wouldn't rule out going for a more powerful NA motor first, maybe to build on or whatever. That's just my opinion. Seems to me like no matter what you do to get a 200K mi motor ready for a turbo, it's still gonna break anyway. Boost all the way, but not on my engine. It runs great but after a turbo I know it wouldn't last.
Turbo is cool and all and sounds neat but I personally wouldn't rule out going for a more powerful NA motor first, maybe to build on or whatever. That's just my opinion. Seems to me like no matter what you do to get a 200K mi motor ready for a turbo, it's still gonna break anyway. Boost all the way, but not on my engine. It runs great but after a turbo I know it wouldn't last.
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#34
I'd also love to have a turbo but, Nismo1989 is right. NA is definitely more reliable. Also, take a n/a vg and vg w/ a turbo. Now, say they both have the exact same horsepower, about 200fwhp. With both having the same HP, the n/a will still be faster. Personally, I'd love to do a vg30et swap but, at this point I don't think I'm ready for all the custom modding I'd need to do. Also, as far as building up an n/a engine, I already have everything planned out for that so I have 90% of the details worked out for what I want to build. Also, I think that Hekimian engine (220hp) is cryo-treated. If it is, $4k for a cryo-treated performance engine is a great deal. Vg's are already pretty bulletproof if you take care of them. Though, with cryogenics that kind of turns them into a beast that can take a beating and keep going. You could push your car harder and longer and not see as much stress on the engine as you normally would. Wish me luck guys, I'm about to go race some friends on a secluded road today. One of my friends has a '91 240sx dohc 5spd and is always talking crap about my car. Off the line he would have me but I can absolutely RAPE his car on topend, and I just have a VG. I'd love to see a VE put him in his place!
Once I raced him from a rolling start (about 50mph). Well, I immediately pulled 1 car length and just kept going. Eventually I got something like 15-20 car lengths, and he just couldn't catch up. Must of not shifted right.
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#35
Be careful, street racing is dangerous and illegal!
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and yeah I'm pretty sure it's cryo treated. I tell ya what, I think it's well worth the money if you're in the market for an engine anyway and performance is your thang...
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and yeah I'm pretty sure it's cryo treated. I tell ya what, I think it's well worth the money if you're in the market for an engine anyway and performance is your thang...
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#36
the vg-t may only produce 200-210 to the crank but with exhaust, intake and boost controller you are running low 14's, way more than i can say for an NA vg, only reason turboing the maxima vg wouldnt be reliable is it isnt built for it, look how many z31's are still around...pretty reliable if you ask me.
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#37
Originally posted by Dummy
only reason turboing the maxima vg wouldnt be reliable is it isnt built for it
only reason turboing the maxima vg wouldnt be reliable is it isnt built for it
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#38
Originally posted by DA-MAX
look at how many turbo cars are running 10+ psi using 9:1 CR....hmmmm the VG Maxima has 9:1 CR...so wanna rephrase this???--> "maxima VG...wouldn't be reliable...it isn't built for boost"
look at how many turbo cars are running 10+ psi using 9:1 CR....hmmmm the VG Maxima has 9:1 CR...so wanna rephrase this???--> "maxima VG...wouldn't be reliable...it isn't built for boost"
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#40
Originally posted by Shadow1198
Also, take a n/a vg and vg w/ a turbo. Now, say they both have the exact same horsepower, about 200fwhp. With both having the same HP, the n/a will still be faster.
Also, take a n/a vg and vg w/ a turbo. Now, say they both have the exact same horsepower, about 200fwhp. With both having the same HP, the n/a will still be faster.
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