Andi, If I'm such a moron, and Tiem is such a stand up honest guy, than why does he still believe his car weighs less than a Maxima 5spd? I even gave Tiem the web site showing the Maxima 5spd's weight, and your friend still would not except it. Technically, you should not have lost to Camry. You have a tad bit more torque, your car weighs a little less, and you have a better trans(taller gears). Andi, he simply out drove you! Like I said, my friend has the exact same Camry as Tiem,(except his is white), and my Maxima always slowly pulls away from him. The weight issue your pal stands behind is what really pisses me off. That's the main reason I question his honesty on his time slips.