The Perfect Cop Detector
02-23-2003, 02:10 AM
#41
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Originally posted by blizz20oma
... How do people technically justify radar detectors?
... How do people technically justify radar detectors?
It is also fun when a someone passes you at 90 while your detector is going off. You know what is about to happen.
02-23-2003, 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by meccanoble
anybody and everybody that wants a radar detector either speeds WAY over the speed limit or has something illegal they dont want cops to see which they can easily remove before the cops see the car (underbody neon kits, etc.). i need one but find it hard to put my trust in a gadget...
anybody and everybody that wants a radar detector either speeds WAY over the speed limit or has something illegal they dont want cops to see which they can easily remove before the cops see the car (underbody neon kits, etc.). i need one but find it hard to put my trust in a gadget...
I've had a detector for 2 years. I try to keep it at speed limit, unless I am hot-rodding, but I only do that when it's safe.
I've only got 1 ticket in 25 years, and over 1/2 million miles. But I admit as I get older, I don't look for cops as much, and my speed drifts up sometimes when I'm tired.
Detectors work good in speed trap areas. Everyone unintentionally drives over the posted limit in reduced speed zones occasionally. This is where radar detectors are most useful.
02-23-2003, 02:53 AM
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Originally posted by fearthegecko
there's another product, not sure who makes it, but i read about it in SCC, that reads the police repeater signals up to 1-2mi radius. That way, you can tell where there's a cop, not just if there's a radar trap. So you don't have to fear just radar taps, but if you're being tailed by a cop, you'll know as well.
there's another product, not sure who makes it, but i read about it in SCC, that reads the police repeater signals up to 1-2mi radius. That way, you can tell where there's a cop, not just if there's a radar trap. So you don't have to fear just radar taps, but if you're being tailed by a cop, you'll know as well.
If using this in combo with radar detector, you are safer.
02-23-2003, 03:30 AM
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Originally posted by fearthegecko
yeah, i think it's interesting too, but if i remember correctly, it only picked up like 2/3 of the cops that were around. So it's a good idea, just needs to be refined more....
And as to my earlier post, i was told that it's now illegal to have a scanner in your car, so forget that.
yeah, i think it's interesting too, but if i remember correctly, it only picked up like 2/3 of the cops that were around. So it's a good idea, just needs to be refined more....
And as to my earlier post, i was told that it's now illegal to have a scanner in your car, so forget that.
Unit is Uniden BCT-12, BCT-7, BT-10. BCT-12 is no longer made. BCT-7 is $139-$199, Look on EBay for cheaper prices.
02-23-2003, 03:39 AM
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Valentine remote mount?
I just bought a V1 (EBay! $280 shipped! 
) and it's a windshield mounted unit, not remote- You're reffering to the in dash units that have front and rear mounted recievers right? If so, that's not the V1, at least I think it's not. I just did a ton of research b4 buying on on Ebay and all I saw was a wind. mounted unit - Let me know if there is a remote mount unit I can add-on or something - Tucker
) and it's a windshield mounted unit, not remote- You're reffering to the in dash units that have front and rear mounted recievers right? If so, that's not the V1, at least I think it's not. I just did a ton of research b4 buying on on Ebay and all I saw was a wind. mounted unit - Let me know if there is a remote mount unit I can add-on or something - Tucker
02-23-2003, 04:51 AM
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Originally posted by superblack96
What about radar/laser jammers they adverise? Do these work - Anyone have one? I've found that a dark tinted plate cover over you licence plate cuts effectiveness of laser- I spoke with a tropper one time who told me they try to aim for the plates first then the glass, something about reflecting back more accurate- He also said that tinted glass or plate covers and dark colored cars make lazer less accurate - Just my $.02 - Tucker
What about radar/laser jammers they adverise? Do these work - Anyone have one? I've found that a dark tinted plate cover over you licence plate cuts effectiveness of laser- I spoke with a tropper one time who told me they try to aim for the plates first then the glass, something about reflecting back more accurate- He also said that tinted glass or plate covers and dark colored cars make lazer less accurate - Just my $.02 - Tucker
2. any person in law enforcement that i've spoken to has told me that lisence plate frames are BS. Also, that if they see anyone with a license plate frame going slightly over the speed limit (with radar or not) they pull them over intentionally, to amke an example out of them.
02-23-2003, 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by endus
Exactly, the radar detector industry really hasn't changed all that much recently...anything you find in search will still be valid.
My stale summary: The only detector worth buying is the Valentine 1. Once you drive with the arrows you'll never want another detector. No detector can protect you from laser and instant on, but it depends on where you live how much that matters.
Exactly, the radar detector industry really hasn't changed all that much recently...anything you find in search will still be valid.
My stale summary: The only detector worth buying is the Valentine 1. Once you drive with the arrows you'll never want another detector. No detector can protect you from laser and instant on, but it depends on where you live how much that matters.
In my opinion the escort 8500 is nearly as good as the Valentine and significantly cheaper. No radar detector is going to save you if you drive like an idiot but a good radar detector and common sense should significantly reduce your chances of getting a ticket. In my state the insurance surcharges for even one ticket are ridiculous, so if it saves you once it has more than paid for itself.
02-23-2003, 08:21 AM
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Acct. Fear, the FCC has no regualtion with laser jammers, Radar jammers,however, if found guilty of using are a felony per the FCC.
Laser (lidar and light beams) is not regulated by the FCC
Radar (sound and FM waves) Are regualted and controled-
Police can give tickets for jammers, but only for obrstuction.
Certain states, NB, MT, OK aand DC to name a few, have banned the use of jammers, so there it is illegal. I believ Cali is incl. with those. Check out all the related sites for more info- Tucker
Laser (lidar and light beams) is not regulated by the FCC
Radar (sound and FM waves) Are regualted and controled-
Police can give tickets for jammers, but only for obrstuction.
Certain states, NB, MT, OK aand DC to name a few, have banned the use of jammers, so there it is illegal. I believ Cali is incl. with those. Check out all the related sites for more info- Tucker
02-23-2003, 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by superblack96
Acct. Fear, the FCC has no regualtion with laser jammers, Radar jammers,however, if found guilty of using are a felony per the FCC.
Laser (lidar and light beams) is not regulated by the FCC
Radar (sound and FM waves) Are regualted and controled-
Police can give tickets for jammers, but only for obrstuction.
Certain states, NB, MT, OK aand DC to name a few, have banned the use of jammers, so there it is illegal. I believ Cali is incl. with those. Check out all the related sites for more info- Tucker
Acct. Fear, the FCC has no regualtion with laser jammers, Radar jammers,however, if found guilty of using are a felony per the FCC.
Laser (lidar and light beams) is not regulated by the FCC
Radar (sound and FM waves) Are regualted and controled-
Police can give tickets for jammers, but only for obrstuction.
Certain states, NB, MT, OK aand DC to name a few, have banned the use of jammers, so there it is illegal. I believ Cali is incl. with those. Check out all the related sites for more info- Tucker
02-23-2003, 01:35 PM
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While there is no doubt that the V1 is a great detector, I would have to draw the line at insisting it is the greatest out there. A bit of tweeking in the detection of Ka band and a facelift will, I'm sure, put it back on top. At this time, I feel the 8500 is #1 followed by the BEL 985 with the V1 third. Yes, the directional arrows are an interesting feature that can be helpful in some situations ( and annoying in others ), but I feel they need to work a bit on the range in which they pick up Ka band. By far, 90% of all state police I run across are using Ka. Being that I put most of my miles on the interstate, the 8500 or 985 were my best choices. I chose the 985 since I had had such good luck with my old BEL 945STi.
From a jamming perspective, laser jammers are legal in most states and there are some on the market that seem to work pretty well with the BEL LaserPro seemingly leading the pack ( per radartest.com ). SpeedLabs.com was shown testing a laser jammer ( LaserBuster IDBL ) on a show called "Speed Trap" I saw recently and it jammed the laser 100%. Laser diffusers do work to some extent. Using one to cover a front license plate will only give you a reprieve since the officer will simply shift and target another part of your vehicle. Radar jammers are illegal via FCC rules. If an officer cannot get a signal from your vehicle via radar, what do you think they are going to do? Yep, pull you over, confiscate the jammer and put you in the slammer.
Finally, yes, some vehicles by design do a better job of countering laser than others. A Vette will be harder to target than a Dodge Ram truck and black seems to be the best color against laser. Regardless, if you recklessly keep speeding along without paying attention to your surroundings, you are gonna get caught, radar detector or not...
From a jamming perspective, laser jammers are legal in most states and there are some on the market that seem to work pretty well with the BEL LaserPro seemingly leading the pack ( per radartest.com ). SpeedLabs.com was shown testing a laser jammer ( LaserBuster IDBL ) on a show called "Speed Trap" I saw recently and it jammed the laser 100%. Laser diffusers do work to some extent. Using one to cover a front license plate will only give you a reprieve since the officer will simply shift and target another part of your vehicle. Radar jammers are illegal via FCC rules. If an officer cannot get a signal from your vehicle via radar, what do you think they are going to do? Yep, pull you over, confiscate the jammer and put you in the slammer.
Finally, yes, some vehicles by design do a better job of countering laser than others. A Vette will be harder to target than a Dodge Ram truck and black seems to be the best color against laser. Regardless, if you recklessly keep speeding along without paying attention to your surroundings, you are gonna get caught, radar detector or not...
02-23-2003, 07:41 PM
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Which is the best, the ultimate, the most supremely fine in all of the police detecting methods and products?!
02-23-2003, 10:59 PM
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Re: Re: Re: The Perfect Cop Detector
Originally posted by fearthegecko
right, definitely don't slam on your brakes, in 5-speed, downshift, or AUTo: turn O/D off.
Also, know your rights.
As he goes to hand it to me, i was like," officer, do you have a camera mounted in that car", and he's like yeah, so i was like well, who do i have to contact to get a copy of that footage. Then he's like, oh you can't. And i said, " well it'll be the key piece of evidence when i fight this in court." At this point he got really ****ed, and was like why would you fight it, you were speeding, etc.
right, definitely don't slam on your brakes, in 5-speed, downshift, or AUTo: turn O/D off.
Also, know your rights.
As he goes to hand it to me, i was like," officer, do you have a camera mounted in that car", and he's like yeah, so i was like well, who do i have to contact to get a copy of that footage. Then he's like, oh you can't. And i said, " well it'll be the key piece of evidence when i fight this in court." At this point he got really ****ed, and was like why would you fight it, you were speeding, etc.
Check state laws. Cops don't have to use radar or laser in Louisiana. I never used either, but would pace people for about 1/2-3/4 mile using my speedometer (calibrated and certified by Ford). Had people fight it, but they always lost. And when you fight something and lose the judge is more likely to hit your wallet harder for wasting the court's time. If you are wrong and get caught, fess up and the court is usually leaner, depending on your record.
As for cameras, you do not have a right to a copy of the tape immediately. The tape is the property of the police department, and must be processed as any other evidence. It is then turned over to the DA. Upon filing a motion for discovery with the court, you may get a copy. But if you are in the wrong, it will not do you any good. Tape doesn't lie. And you are wasting more of the court's time with all of this. This makes them mad. This is assuming the officer even had the tape processed as evidence. If he feels it has no evidentiary value, it will just be re-used.
Like some other people said, radar detectors may have a limited function, but can be a double-edged sword. They can cause complacency with false alerts. Range is limited. I don't need to know what band of anything I was clocked by when there are blue lights in my mirror. Pacing is acceptable in Louisiana. Not all cops are in marked cars using radar/laser (detectives use things like Ford Taurus's, Chevy Celebrities, and any other hoopty the department can give them). They do nothing against planes/helicopters. I used to love writing a speeding ticket to people who had a radar detector in their car, trying to avoid seeing my smiling face.
I suggest playing it smart like others have posted. Don't drive like a mad man. Keep looking for other people's brake lights. Watch for any cars on the side of the road. Slow down around curves/crests and other blind spots. Keep the speed to an acceptable limit (I wouldn't mess with anyone doing less than 10mph over the limit). Don't have attention gainers on your car (neons, snake-eyes, bling-bling rims, big wing, a lot of performance stickers, dark tint, etc...). Oh yeah, get rid of the "Bad cop, no donut" sticker!!
I'm not trying to belittle anyone, just trying to help people avoid giving the city/state their hard-earned money because of foolishness, not to mention insurance companies. My last speeding ticket was in 1989 (2 that year). I served as a patrol officer in "da hood" of a large city from early 1998-late 2001, averaging over 40 traffic stops and 25 arrests in a 20 day work month. Most of those were because of someone's pure stupidity. Be smart and courteous and cops can be your friend.
Dave
02-23-2003, 11:15 PM
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Good information...
There is a side effect of following the information I and others have posted. Being aware of your environment, vehicles around you, and road conditions ahead makes you a "more aware"/safer driver than the jerk not paying attention while talking on his cell phone doing 60mph in a 65mph zone. Of course, if you are "more aware", doing 95mph in a 55 through traffic, you are still a friggin idiot!
There is a side effect of following the information I and others have posted. Being aware of your environment, vehicles around you, and road conditions ahead makes you a "more aware"/safer driver than the jerk not paying attention while talking on his cell phone doing 60mph in a 65mph zone. Of course, if you are "more aware", doing 95mph in a 55 through traffic, you are still a friggin idiot!
02-24-2003, 12:08 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: The Perfect Cop Detector
Originally posted by Dave Holmes
Everyone saying not to hit your brakes is right. It just draws attention to yourself. The "Beartracker" or whatever its called would actually be pretty useless in my opinion. What it does is scan the frequency range (in Louisiana cops now use the 800 and 900 mhz ranges) and alert you when something is transmitting in those bands. Think about the 900 mhz range. Now think about all the people with cordless phones (not the 2.4ghz, but the 900mhz). You'd get too many false alarms, which would start making you very lax. Also, it doesn't pick up the cops who aren't transmitting at the time (a lot of cop cars do not have repeaters in the car. The repeaters are on stationary towers to avoid any dead zones if all the cops are on one side of town). I never transmitted all the time, and could have 10 minutes go by before my headquarters would call to check on my welfare if I hadn't transmitted anything.
Check state laws. Cops don't have to use radar or laser in Louisiana. I never used either, but would pace people for about 1/2-3/4 mile using my speedometer (calibrated and certified by Ford). Had people fight it, but they always lost. And when you fight something and lose the judge is more likely to hit your wallet harder for wasting the court's time. If you are wrong and get caught, fess up and the court is usually leaner, depending on your record.
As for cameras, you do not have a right to a copy of the tape immediately. The tape is the property of the police department, and must be processed as any other evidence. It is then turned over to the DA. Upon filing a motion for discovery with the court, you may get a copy. But if you are in the wrong, it will not do you any good. Tape doesn't lie. And you are wasting more of the court's time with all of this. This makes them mad. This is assuming the officer even had the tape processed as evidence. If he feels it has no evidentiary value, it will just be re-used.
Like some other people said, radar detectors may have a limited function, but can be a double-edged sword. They can cause complacency with false alerts. Range is limited. I don't need to know what band of anything I was clocked by when there are blue lights in my mirror. Pacing is acceptable in Louisiana. Not all cops are in marked cars using radar/laser (detectives use things like Ford Taurus's, Chevy Celebrities, and any other hoopty the department can give them). They do nothing against planes/helicopters. I used to love writing a speeding ticket to people who had a radar detector in their car, trying to avoid seeing my smiling face.
I suggest playing it smart like others have posted. Don't drive like a mad man. Keep looking for other people's brake lights. Watch for any cars on the side of the road. Slow down around curves/crests and other blind spots. Keep the speed to an acceptable limit (I wouldn't mess with anyone doing less than 10mph over the limit). Don't have attention gainers on your car (neons, snake-eyes, bling-bling rims, big wing, a lot of performance stickers, dark tint, etc...). Oh yeah, get rid of the "Bad cop, no donut" sticker!!
I'm not trying to belittle anyone, just trying to help people avoid giving the city/state their hard-earned money because of foolishness, not to mention insurance companies. My last speeding ticket was in 1989 (2 that year). I served as a patrol officer in "da hood" of a large city from early 1998-late 2001, averaging over 40 traffic stops and 25 arrests in a 20 day work month. Most of those were because of someone's pure stupidity. Be smart and courteous and cops can be your friend.
Dave
Everyone saying not to hit your brakes is right. It just draws attention to yourself. The "Beartracker" or whatever its called would actually be pretty useless in my opinion. What it does is scan the frequency range (in Louisiana cops now use the 800 and 900 mhz ranges) and alert you when something is transmitting in those bands. Think about the 900 mhz range. Now think about all the people with cordless phones (not the 2.4ghz, but the 900mhz). You'd get too many false alarms, which would start making you very lax. Also, it doesn't pick up the cops who aren't transmitting at the time (a lot of cop cars do not have repeaters in the car. The repeaters are on stationary towers to avoid any dead zones if all the cops are on one side of town). I never transmitted all the time, and could have 10 minutes go by before my headquarters would call to check on my welfare if I hadn't transmitted anything.
Check state laws. Cops don't have to use radar or laser in Louisiana. I never used either, but would pace people for about 1/2-3/4 mile using my speedometer (calibrated and certified by Ford). Had people fight it, but they always lost. And when you fight something and lose the judge is more likely to hit your wallet harder for wasting the court's time. If you are wrong and get caught, fess up and the court is usually leaner, depending on your record.
As for cameras, you do not have a right to a copy of the tape immediately. The tape is the property of the police department, and must be processed as any other evidence. It is then turned over to the DA. Upon filing a motion for discovery with the court, you may get a copy. But if you are in the wrong, it will not do you any good. Tape doesn't lie. And you are wasting more of the court's time with all of this. This makes them mad. This is assuming the officer even had the tape processed as evidence. If he feels it has no evidentiary value, it will just be re-used.
Like some other people said, radar detectors may have a limited function, but can be a double-edged sword. They can cause complacency with false alerts. Range is limited. I don't need to know what band of anything I was clocked by when there are blue lights in my mirror. Pacing is acceptable in Louisiana. Not all cops are in marked cars using radar/laser (detectives use things like Ford Taurus's, Chevy Celebrities, and any other hoopty the department can give them). They do nothing against planes/helicopters. I used to love writing a speeding ticket to people who had a radar detector in their car, trying to avoid seeing my smiling face.
I suggest playing it smart like others have posted. Don't drive like a mad man. Keep looking for other people's brake lights. Watch for any cars on the side of the road. Slow down around curves/crests and other blind spots. Keep the speed to an acceptable limit (I wouldn't mess with anyone doing less than 10mph over the limit). Don't have attention gainers on your car (neons, snake-eyes, bling-bling rims, big wing, a lot of performance stickers, dark tint, etc...). Oh yeah, get rid of the "Bad cop, no donut" sticker!!
I'm not trying to belittle anyone, just trying to help people avoid giving the city/state their hard-earned money because of foolishness, not to mention insurance companies. My last speeding ticket was in 1989 (2 that year). I served as a patrol officer in "da hood" of a large city from early 1998-late 2001, averaging over 40 traffic stops and 25 arrests in a 20 day work month. Most of those were because of someone's pure stupidity. Be smart and courteous and cops can be your friend.
Dave
not to harp on the issue, but it would seriously help if people read past posts. I already pointed out that with the "beartracker" the unit only revealed about 2/3 of cop cars in the area.
As far as what kind of cars cops drive: Man, i've seen undercover cos in everything fromthe typical domestics (caprices. crown vics, impalas) to SUVs (navigator, explorer, cherokees) to cars aimed at targeting racers/non-street legal vehicles (civics, accords, neons)
The trick is to look for tell-tale digns of a cop car: stupid spotlight tucked in the side of the driver's door, rear-deck mounted lights, non-car or multiple antennas. And now, with some of the state trooper implalas, there are no lights whatsoever: the strobes/flashers are hidden in the grill, headlights, and taillights of the car.
the best advice you can get is to be smart, watch frequently travelled roads for good places for cops to hide, and learn when it's a good time to speed, and when it's worth it to be 5 minutes late. And if you can't learn to watch for these things, the ticket you get should teach you.
02-24-2003, 12:41 AM
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Here is that K40 radar jamming thing.
This one says it can jam lasers too....but i doubt that.
http://www.jammerstore.com/p_defuser.htm
A little while back i sw this material that is said to scatter laser signals if you apply it to the front end of your car. Mainly they were selling it as a license plate cover, but what if you got a thin coating of it applied to the front end of the max?
Does that laser scattering material work or is it BS?
This one says it can jam lasers too....but i doubt that.
http://www.jammerstore.com/p_defuser.htm
A little while back i sw this material that is said to scatter laser signals if you apply it to the front end of your car. Mainly they were selling it as a license plate cover, but what if you got a thin coating of it applied to the front end of the max?
Does that laser scattering material work or is it BS?
02-24-2003, 01:29 AM
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All - I'm working on a group deal for Blinder Laser Jammers- Here's the post thread link - http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hreadid=191778
Check it out - Looks good - Tucker
Check it out - Looks good - Tucker
02-24-2003, 08:10 AM
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Guys... radar detectors are a surefire way to get a ticket. When A cop does instant on, he look for the guys slamming on the brakes. Thats who he goes for. I have no radar detector, and I drive by cops here in North Jersey doing an average of 15-25mph over the limit. No detector, no trouble. Just my 2cents.
02-24-2003, 08:51 AM
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It's so funny yhat every time this comes up we end up going through the discussion again...oh well!
I just wanted to add a few things...
1.) It's hilarious to read some of the opinions of people in this thread who ahve obviously not done their homework and have never used a decent detector, yet like to run their mouths about how they suck and how they don't work. Talk about some holier-than-thou BS, I can't beleive how uninformed some of the people in this thread are. I would say at least 98% of the people who have used/know about radar detectors have MAJOR misconceptions about them. Nobody wants to do their homework.
2.) Radar detectors are not illegal in Connecticut, they are only illegal in Virginia and DC.
3.)Anyone who misses instant on signals (which are usually pretty obvious) and then slams on their brakes when they get to the cop is a moron and deserves a ticket. Slamming on your brakes when you see/detect a cop is not only going to attract the cop's attention, it is also dangerous as hell and you are going to cause an accident doing dumb **** like that.
4.) And this is a point no one has mentioned actually...I have not had any problems with cops seeing my detector. I have left it up the last two times I got stopped and did not get a ticket either time (Once was a BS red light stop that the cop knew was BS...I don't EVER hit the gas for yellow lights, and the other was doing 47 in a 30...you had to see the road). The speeding ticket stop even asked me if I got him on the detector, and I told him no since it was broken (my old Bel). He ended up giving me a warning for 35 in a 30. I think that if a cop sees you driving fast, but in a manner that is safe for the conditions, and you don't act like an idiot when you get pulled over, the detector can even serve as a sign that you care about driving and enjoy it. The fact that I drive fast sometimes does not mean I am not a concientious driver. I pay attention, I don't talk on the phone, I drive slow in the rain and snow, I leave safe stopping distances in front of me in the wet and dry, I use both hands on the wheel if I am driving fast...etc. I think this is true of a lot of enthusiasts, and I think a detector is a sign of an enthusiast...some cops seem to respect that surprisingly.
5.) Anyone who puts their detector in the middle of their windshield with the lights on is a moron. I have the valentine mounted above my rear-view with the remote display on the steering column, so there are no lights up top. This has proven to be really good because it gets the detector up high for sick range and seeing over hills, but it keeps the ligths out of view. If I took the remote display down a cop stopping me would probably never even see the V1 up top.
6.) What people are saying about the V1's Ka range COULD be true. There is a LOT more K band around here so I don't see that much Ka, but from what little I've seen the V1 might have better K range than Ka. The K range is just ludicrous though.
I just wanted to add a few things...
1.) It's hilarious to read some of the opinions of people in this thread who ahve obviously not done their homework and have never used a decent detector, yet like to run their mouths about how they suck and how they don't work. Talk about some holier-than-thou BS, I can't beleive how uninformed some of the people in this thread are. I would say at least 98% of the people who have used/know about radar detectors have MAJOR misconceptions about them. Nobody wants to do their homework.
2.) Radar detectors are not illegal in Connecticut, they are only illegal in Virginia and DC.
3.)Anyone who misses instant on signals (which are usually pretty obvious) and then slams on their brakes when they get to the cop is a moron and deserves a ticket. Slamming on your brakes when you see/detect a cop is not only going to attract the cop's attention, it is also dangerous as hell and you are going to cause an accident doing dumb **** like that.
4.) And this is a point no one has mentioned actually...I have not had any problems with cops seeing my detector. I have left it up the last two times I got stopped and did not get a ticket either time (Once was a BS red light stop that the cop knew was BS...I don't EVER hit the gas for yellow lights, and the other was doing 47 in a 30...you had to see the road). The speeding ticket stop even asked me if I got him on the detector, and I told him no since it was broken (my old Bel). He ended up giving me a warning for 35 in a 30. I think that if a cop sees you driving fast, but in a manner that is safe for the conditions, and you don't act like an idiot when you get pulled over, the detector can even serve as a sign that you care about driving and enjoy it. The fact that I drive fast sometimes does not mean I am not a concientious driver. I pay attention, I don't talk on the phone, I drive slow in the rain and snow, I leave safe stopping distances in front of me in the wet and dry, I use both hands on the wheel if I am driving fast...etc. I think this is true of a lot of enthusiasts, and I think a detector is a sign of an enthusiast...some cops seem to respect that surprisingly.
5.) Anyone who puts their detector in the middle of their windshield with the lights on is a moron. I have the valentine mounted above my rear-view with the remote display on the steering column, so there are no lights up top. This has proven to be really good because it gets the detector up high for sick range and seeing over hills, but it keeps the ligths out of view. If I took the remote display down a cop stopping me would probably never even see the V1 up top.
6.) What people are saying about the V1's Ka range COULD be true. There is a LOT more K band around here so I don't see that much Ka, but from what little I've seen the V1 might have better K range than Ka. The K range is just ludicrous though.
02-24-2003, 09:12 AM
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Although I agree with a lot of what you said. I guarantee that the vast majority of cops who see your radar detector are not going to think, "gee, this guy must care about and enjoy driving."
Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world. If we did, we wouldn't need cops anyway. So I guess it adds up: world full of dumbass people, roads full of dumbass cops
Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world. If we did, we wouldn't need cops anyway. So I guess it adds up: world full of dumbass people, roads full of dumbass cops
02-24-2003, 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by Socrates
Although I agree with a lot of what you said. I guarantee that the vast majority of cops who see your radar detector are not going to think, "gee, this guy must care about and enjoy driving."
Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world. If we did, we wouldn't need cops anyway. So I guess it adds up: world full of dumbass people, roads full of dumbass cops
Although I agree with a lot of what you said. I guarantee that the vast majority of cops who see your radar detector are not going to think, "gee, this guy must care about and enjoy driving."
Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world. If we did, we wouldn't need cops anyway. So I guess it adds up: world full of dumbass people, roads full of dumbass cops
02-24-2003, 12:23 PM
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The new V1 1.8 is pretty impressive. A friend and fellow org member and I both got in our cars and drove around. His V1 picked up signals at least 75-100 feet before my 8500. But his detector was picking up bogies that mine didn't see. I'd see 2 bogies and he'd see 5-9! The V1 1.8 is much lighter and smaller than the previous units too. The remote kit is very nice also. But the unit is 400 dollars. I paid half that for my 8500.
Originally posted by Anachronism
http://www.escortstore.com/zr3.htm Expensive but according to independent tests (<-Note fancy Vb coding) it really works against laser. The smoked plate screens are crap and nothing will jam radar.
In my opinion the escort 8500 is nearly as good as the Valentine and significantly cheaper. No radar detector is going to save you if you drive like an idiot but a good radar detector and common sense should significantly reduce your chances of getting a ticket. In my state the insurance surcharges for even one ticket are ridiculous, so if it saves you once it has more than paid for itself.
http://www.escortstore.com/zr3.htm Expensive but according to independent tests (<-Note fancy Vb coding) it really works against laser. The smoked plate screens are crap and nothing will jam radar.
In my opinion the escort 8500 is nearly as good as the Valentine and significantly cheaper. No radar detector is going to save you if you drive like an idiot but a good radar detector and common sense should significantly reduce your chances of getting a ticket. In my state the insurance surcharges for even one ticket are ridiculous, so if it saves you once it has more than paid for itself.
02-24-2003, 12:25 PM
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okay i was wrong about connecticut....here is link to legalities of radar detectors/jammers and mobile scanners
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/esnr/radar.htm#table1
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/esnr/radar.htm#table1
02-24-2003, 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by endus
6.) What people are saying about the V1's Ka range COULD be true. There is a LOT more K band around here so I don't see that much Ka, but from what little I've seen the V1 might have better K range than Ka. The K range is just ludicrous though.
6.) What people are saying about the V1's Ka range COULD be true. There is a LOT more K band around here so I don't see that much Ka, but from what little I've seen the V1 might have better K range than Ka. The K range is just ludicrous though.
I've read at web sites thjat test detectors that the lower on the windshield, the stronger the signal will be. I;ve also read that one sould be ounted as high as possible.
I've found that loweer is better with my Bel 980 in my Max and S-10 on open freeways.
On smaller, curved roads, a higher mount may give you the edge on hills, but reflections from guardrails, signs, other vehicles are the main source of distant or remote signal detection. I get blips off reflections long before I get a direct signal from cop car. Smart cops park where their signal will not reflect downrange.
02-25-2003, 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by Socrates
Although I agree with a lot of what you said. I guarantee that the vast majority of cops who see your radar detector are not going to think, "gee, this guy must care about and enjoy driving."
Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world. If we did, we wouldn't need cops anyway. So I guess it adds up: world full of dumbass people, roads full of dumbass cops
Although I agree with a lot of what you said. I guarantee that the vast majority of cops who see your radar detector are not going to think, "gee, this guy must care about and enjoy driving."
Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world. If we did, we wouldn't need cops anyway. So I guess it adds up: world full of dumbass people, roads full of dumbass cops
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