Idle Question
#1
Idle Question
Hi,
I have a 97 Maxima SE. I had a sticky gas pedal problem that I solved by cleaning the throttlebody with STP Throttlebody cleaner. However, I now have what seems to be a high idle when stopping. The idle speed is about 750 RPM while coasting to a stop and then when the car comes to a complete stop, the idle drops to around 550. I don't recall this situation before but the throttle was sticky for quite awhile. I've checked all my hose connections and everything seems to be in order. The 750 to 550 RPM drop that occurs when the car comes to a complete stops is what has me confused as it seems to need more brake pedal pressure than I remember.
I have a 97 Maxima SE. I had a sticky gas pedal problem that I solved by cleaning the throttlebody with STP Throttlebody cleaner. However, I now have what seems to be a high idle when stopping. The idle speed is about 750 RPM while coasting to a stop and then when the car comes to a complete stop, the idle drops to around 550. I don't recall this situation before but the throttle was sticky for quite awhile. I've checked all my hose connections and everything seems to be in order. The 750 to 550 RPM drop that occurs when the car comes to a complete stops is what has me confused as it seems to need more brake pedal pressure than I remember.
#3
I cleaned my TB this weekend. Its doing the same thing. What screw are we talking about in laymans terms. Where in the engine bay or in the car do I find it? How do I just increase the idle?
Thanks
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Originally posted by njmaxseltd
Mine did the same thing. I had to turn back the factory idle stop screw about 1/2 turn to stop that from happening.
(thats the throttle stop screw your not supposed to touch)
Mine did the same thing. I had to turn back the factory idle stop screw about 1/2 turn to stop that from happening.
(thats the throttle stop screw your not supposed to touch)
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Black Plastic? Mine was brass with a lock nut on it. It's on the TB, lower left side, right where the throttle linkage is. It's the factory stop for the throttle plate. You need to back it out very slightly,(1/4 to 1/2 turn) then go for a ride to see the results. If its OK then leave it alone, still to high as you stop, go another 1/4 turn out. I got mine to hang at about 650 and settle to 600. It's a nice smooth transition.
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Originally posted by Ceasars Chariot
was reading over the post .. is the right idle for a 97 maxima 600-650 while the car is in neutral ?
was reading over the post .. is the right idle for a 97 maxima 600-650 while the car is in neutral ?
In neutral it should be around 700 - 750
#10
I think most of the problem has built up over a period of time. As your throttle body gets dirty, it blocks the air flow around the butterfly plate and other parts. The ECU knows it is supposed to idle at a certain speed, so it ups the gas flow to compensate (over time) for the gunk and blockage. When you clean the TB, the ECU does not immediately recognize the increase in air flow. It may take a few days, and disconnecting the ground for (up to) 24 hours, thus resetting the ECU, should take care of the problem. If not, you may need to manually adjust the idle.
#11
Can you please post a pic? There are two cables running to the TB. One has a brass pipe with the bolts on it and the other is a grey plastic tube. Which one do I adjust?
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Originally posted by njmaxseltd
Black Plastic? Mine was brass with a lock nut on it. It's on the TB, lower left side, right where the throttle linkage is. It's the factory stop for the throttle plate. You need to back it out very slightly,(1/4 to 1/2 turn) then go for a ride to see the results. If its OK then leave it alone, still to high as you stop, go another 1/4 turn out. I got mine to hang at about 650 and settle to 600. It's a nice smooth transition.
Black Plastic? Mine was brass with a lock nut on it. It's on the TB, lower left side, right where the throttle linkage is. It's the factory stop for the throttle plate. You need to back it out very slightly,(1/4 to 1/2 turn) then go for a ride to see the results. If its OK then leave it alone, still to high as you stop, go another 1/4 turn out. I got mine to hang at about 650 and settle to 600. It's a nice smooth transition.
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Originally posted by njmaxseltd
Black Plastic? Mine was brass with a lock nut on it. It's on the TB, lower left side, right where the throttle linkage is. It's the factory stop for the throttle plate. You need to back it out very slightly,(1/4 to 1/2 turn) then go for a ride to see the results. If its OK then leave it alone, still to high as you stop, go another 1/4 turn out. I got mine to hang at about 650 and settle to 600. It's a nice smooth transition.
Black Plastic? Mine was brass with a lock nut on it. It's on the TB, lower left side, right where the throttle linkage is. It's the factory stop for the throttle plate. You need to back it out very slightly,(1/4 to 1/2 turn) then go for a ride to see the results. If its OK then leave it alone, still to high as you stop, go another 1/4 turn out. I got mine to hang at about 650 and settle to 600. It's a nice smooth transition.
The plate stop is there so that the plate doesn't get stuck into the TB, which causes a VERY sticky throttle. Once set, you should rarely touch that screw again. The real idle adjustment is the large black screw on top of the IACV.
The factory spec calls for idle of 650, but I like mine around 700. Idle Adjustment
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proper technique regarding TB
Don't adjust the throttle body screw after you cleaned your td. The car's computer is not used to the fact that your TB is clean...now that you cleaned it. So what is happening is that more air is comming into the engine then the computer is used to. More air means abit higher RPM's...but this is temporary and normal after cleaning a TB. It takes your cars computer about 40 starts and drives to reset itself. Once it does that your engine will run better then if you mess around with the cold idle screw.
hope i helped
hope i helped
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Re: proper technique regarding TB
Thanks TooMax for the link. I will get under the hood and locate the screw.
Gollany,
Thanks for your post too. The problem however is I cleaned my TB a week earlier on 5/4. I have driven the car to work every day. Not to mention the numerous times I fired it up after cleaning the TB. So, I am sure that I have exceeded past the 40 startups and drives that you have mentioned. My problem is not high idle. It is low idle. I want to up the idle a tad bit.
Thanks
Gollany,
Thanks for your post too. The problem however is I cleaned my TB a week earlier on 5/4. I have driven the car to work every day. Not to mention the numerous times I fired it up after cleaning the TB. So, I am sure that I have exceeded past the 40 startups and drives that you have mentioned. My problem is not high idle. It is low idle. I want to up the idle a tad bit.
Thanks
Originally posted by Gollany24
Don't adjust the throttle body screw after you cleaned your td. The car's computer is not used to the fact that your TB is clean...now that you cleaned it. So what is happening is that more air is comming into the engine then the computer is used to. More air means abit higher RPM's...but this is temporary and normal after cleaning a TB. It takes your cars computer about 40 starts and drives to reset itself. Once it does that your engine will run better then if you mess around with the cold idle screw.
hope i helped
Don't adjust the throttle body screw after you cleaned your td. The car's computer is not used to the fact that your TB is clean...now that you cleaned it. So what is happening is that more air is comming into the engine then the computer is used to. More air means abit higher RPM's...but this is temporary and normal after cleaning a TB. It takes your cars computer about 40 starts and drives to reset itself. Once it does that your engine will run better then if you mess around with the cold idle screw.
hope i helped
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Re: Re: proper technique regarding TB
Update
I disconnected my battery over the weekend. Upon restart the slow transition to base idle seems improved. Here is what I notice. If I hear a rhythmic ticking sound from the throttle body area and slightly rev the engine, the idle returns normally to base idle. If the rhythmic ticking sound goes away, then the slow return to idle occurs. I'm thinking it is a dirty IAC valve but am very hesitant to remove it. There seems to be some debate over the ticking IAC valve from posts I have read by doing a search. I too exceeded the restart numbers mentioned above with no change in the slow to base idle transition. The problem is also noticeable when cruising around 30 mph, sometimes the idle drops lower than other times when I remove my foot from the pedal. The throttle plate appears to be moving freely.
I disconnected my battery over the weekend. Upon restart the slow transition to base idle seems improved. Here is what I notice. If I hear a rhythmic ticking sound from the throttle body area and slightly rev the engine, the idle returns normally to base idle. If the rhythmic ticking sound goes away, then the slow return to idle occurs. I'm thinking it is a dirty IAC valve but am very hesitant to remove it. There seems to be some debate over the ticking IAC valve from posts I have read by doing a search. I too exceeded the restart numbers mentioned above with no change in the slow to base idle transition. The problem is also noticeable when cruising around 30 mph, sometimes the idle drops lower than other times when I remove my foot from the pedal. The throttle plate appears to be moving freely.
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Re: proper technique regarding TB
Gollany24,
I guess you were right? I have not yet done anything to the idle screw but now my idle is fine. It idles at 850 when warm in Park and idles at 650 - 700 in D. That is exactly what I wanted so I am done.
Thanks a lot all you guys for help on this. Its nice to fall in love with the max all over again.
A word of advice to others who do this, wait a couple of weeks before doing anything to your idle after cleaning TB.
I guess you were right? I have not yet done anything to the idle screw but now my idle is fine. It idles at 850 when warm in Park and idles at 650 - 700 in D. That is exactly what I wanted so I am done.
Thanks a lot all you guys for help on this. Its nice to fall in love with the max all over again.
A word of advice to others who do this, wait a couple of weeks before doing anything to your idle after cleaning TB.
Originally posted by Gollany24
Don't adjust the throttle body screw after you cleaned your td. The car's computer is not used to the fact that your TB is clean...now that you cleaned it. So what is happening is that more air is comming into the engine then the computer is used to. More air means abit higher RPM's...but this is temporary and normal after cleaning a TB. It takes your cars computer about 40 starts and drives to reset itself. Once it does that your engine will run better then if you mess around with the cold idle screw.
hope i helped
Don't adjust the throttle body screw after you cleaned your td. The car's computer is not used to the fact that your TB is clean...now that you cleaned it. So what is happening is that more air is comming into the engine then the computer is used to. More air means abit higher RPM's...but this is temporary and normal after cleaning a TB. It takes your cars computer about 40 starts and drives to reset itself. Once it does that your engine will run better then if you mess around with the cold idle screw.
hope i helped
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