Cattman e-mailed me yesterday and he's going to send me the install directions. From what he remembers, his mechanic removed the crossmember and front/rear mounts. His mechanic said it should take 5-6 hours to install everything. It never occured to me to remove the crossmember and mounts. Next time I'm under my car, I'll have to see how much more access there would be without that stuff in the way. I know that some of the driver's side rear manifold nuts are accessable once the intake system is removed. There is absolutely no access from the passenger side though. Everything is cake except that rear manifold. I know Emax has removed his rear manifold on both his old I30 and current 2k2 Max so I know it can be done in a driveway.


Dave

 

In my opinion....

Removing the crossmember and mounts is a must! It will make the job a lot easier. Also, once you remove the crossmember you can raise and lower the engine quite a bit...several inches, which will make things easier.

I also think I'd remove the intake manifold and have a helper work from the top of the car. That way he can do the "ratcheting" while the guy under the car gets the socket in the correct position.

It may also help to take the passenger axle out, but I can't remember exactly

 

For us blown guys would we have to remove the blower if we did the install?

 

No, just the cross-over pipe.

 

Since the base run with 175 stock can't be true, using his gains is pointless. His stock numbers should be in the low 160 hp range, with that his y-pipe runs are also pointless as we don't whether the gains are off by the same margin or by a different one...

 

Yes I was the first to admit that my stock numbers of 175/186 were inaccurate. But the dyno shop I did it at is one of the most reputable ones around here. I cannot explain it. The dyno with the y-pipe and b-pipe put me to 186/197 which was at a different dyno (this also seems quite high). So you could draw a statistical inference that either both dynos were fubarred or my motor was being a freak.

Everything came back to reality when I reaplaced the USM with the MEVI. I did the install myself so I am quite sure that I took the extra time and care to make sure that it was all done up properly. I am curious to see though, if I put the USM back on, if I can get my big numbers back.

Back to topic here... as I said before, Cattman's long tuber headers (or Nashua's shorty headers) would open it up right off the bat... and it would be good to see the effect of that increased flow along with the increased flow of a MEVI. The headers bulk up the area under the curve, so that should help us midrange starved MEVI guys (pre-ECU).

 

I think you should have stopped at the apology and left out the hidden sarcasm. I only retaliated to what you said. I am by no means a kid, and you do not know me so you do not need to pretend like you do. I do not know you and have nothing against you so there is no need to take this any further in public.

I know that cattman's long tube headers are $750. But I said $500 to state the difference between the long tube headers and the downpipe portion of it. I guess I wasn't too clear when I said that... my mistake on that one.

Again, there is no need to make personal attacks. If you realize that this is a large public forum, just zip it and spare everyone else of the verbal diarohea. Feel free to pm me to insult me and I'll gladly try to alleviate your concerns there.

I agree

Again, you do not know me so do not pretend like you do. I actually visit the org during my lunch break if I am in the office, at work. 24 horus in a day is not enough for all the commitments that I have made for myself. I never say no to the gym, running with my club, or getting hammered off my ***. As for the basic information I was stating for you... it was due to the fact that you were missing the basics and just cutting and pasting what you found on websites. If I am wrong here, feel free to correct me.

"Kid" on the internet eh? I thought you said you still go to school... hmmm... my mommy lives about 100 miles away but yours probably cooks for you every night.

As for the headers... I agree with what you say the fact that if you are going to spend your money modding, you might as well do it right. I firmly believe that if you are going to spend the money, spend the money... BUT get the value for your money too!

I have provided detailed analysis of MY numbers and how MY car has reacted to certain mods compared to others. I have also suggested many ways to substantiate these long tube headers and get a more conclusive result. I have no doubt that they are good and will help... but question is at what cost and what alternatives might there be...

I am completely supportive of Cattman as well as Nashua but I am even more critical towards my own mods than I appear to be towards these new products. Please do not mis-interpret what I have to say. If I have not been clear, and I have been guilty of that due to the length of these posts, I will be glad to clarify. But none of my reported numbers are manufactured. Every analysis that I have done on my car has been done as analytically as possible.

 

All OT posts should be deleted. There's too much clutter in this damn thread. PM people. It works.

 

I agree and I appologize for the part clutter that I have contributed. I'll be good now.

 

this thread should be deleted....

 

Yeah lock this biachhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Useless jargon!

 

Look... i want the results, the orignal purpose of this 14 page disaster, dont close it YET

 

my ten chars

 

wow, reading through this thread was the biggest waste of my entired life. It's all

 

where did Nashua go again? he said thursday for the dynos, now its saturday

 

there deffinately needs to be something done about this thread. its entirely too long and no one EVER gets any answers. the moderaters need to lock and delete this.

 

...i want results first, dont kill it yet!

 

i think nashua should just post a new thread once he gets a hold of the results.

this thread doesn't have much info any way

 

Sorry. I called Pete again this afternoon and left a message on his cell.


Now, I am bit , when you give something for free, the guy is available all the time, when I need the dyno graphs he just disappear. I would NOT jump to conclusions cause I did not hear back from Pete, maybe he was just a bit busy, overloaded... I do not know...

I Will call him tomorrow again...

Nashua.

 

this is ridiculous

 

eh screw it just get the cattman headers and an obx cat back and ur good for what 20 hp at the least all for what like 1500 ok wait thats a lil NASHUA WTF!!!! lol

 

well, i might just get a Y and cat back (greddy sp2) since i need to meet cali emissions i would take off the Y pipe before the test...cant just pop off the headers before test Im guessing that the headers wouldnt inscrease my smog, but would it pass the visual test? eh, who knows...we'll see

 

lol, dam, i kind of seen this coming....

MINUS PICS PLUS DYNO

 

lol...creative use of the smilies

 

these headers should be cheaper than $400 since i believe there were no real expenses (other than forking over cash for the install and dyno). I'm pretty certain these are just an already available header just manufactured in a different way... but same design. Of course i say all of this with some belligerence.

Also, if there was so much R&D invested into these headers that they have to cost so much or have a larger gain, then why would you be so casual with trying to acquire the numbers.

If so much cash has been put into these that you have to sell them for so high a price, then why make people wait for the results that will determine if they buy or not.

A thousand pardons for all the crappy syntax

 

I'm sure that a y-pipe (or even the headers) will not make you fail cali emissions. I am not positive on how strict it is, but I'm pretty sure that there are a lot of cali guys on here with at least y-pipes passing emissions. Check the regional forums to make sure but I think that you should be okay. Just keep your stock cat on!

 

i know y pipes wouldnt pass...why im gonna take it off every time i get smogged. i was asking if headers would pass because they dont remove any emissions stuff, just smoother bends, less material, etc. Also curious if they wouldnt send up any red flags during the visual test. I know that a y pipe will pass emissions if warmed up etc, just wanted to know how my headers would do

 

Dyno results? its 5 days after the dead line nashua

 

and a week after they were dynoed...

 

Time to lock this thread...

 

i tried to keep it going... can only defend nashua for so long

 

yeah until his reputation gets ahead of him

 

it sounded promising to begin with

 

yeah on the first post of this thread it did lol. Nashua is gonna be very soon

 

dam Nash, whether the gains were good or not, just post. You get respect from me for finding this, atleast u tried, so many people didnt. Holla dawg and keep your rep strong by posting something, thats all most of us ask.

 

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keep your rep strong? that makes it sounds like it was strong to begin with and is still strong to both

 

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Ok, I'm closing the thread. When Mr. Nashau gets his info together, he will need to start another thread.