eckohb

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ok, so this dude i know has this stang v6. they push out 190, and he has borla dual exhaust, a huge fricken air intake, and some new headers. my max is bone stock, so would this even be a close head to head match up? and secondly, if not, what performance upgrades are available that give real hp? *NOTE* kinda broke from buying the car itself, so keep product ideas under 500 each. thanks

NISMOMAXMAN

Y-pipes, Intake, and UDP all togther your looking at probably $450 or less, but you'll feel the difference, I doing that as we speak, and all I can say is WOW! Plus our cars stock, can still kick some as.

Y-pipe: $180-$215
Intake: $150-$300
UDP: $100-$185

eckohb

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whats udp?

fishpony

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under drive pulley i think

speedemn

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Is his Mustang 5-spd or auto? Either way, with 190hp at the wheels, a Mustang will take a stock auto Maxima. You have about 150hp at the wheels and the Mustang might weigh a bit more, but his 40hp advantage on you will more than make up for it.

UDP = underdrive pulley

Biggest bang for the buck is y-pipe... get that for sure... you could complete it with a catback or a b-pipe + muffler mix. Intake and UDP will net you a bit more HP... but that would complete some of your basic bolt-on mods to get yourself a good 20hp - 25hp or so at the wheels.

Then I think you should be able to take him, but it is still close... too bad you don't have a 5-spd...

DerekJ212

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I am a new 5spd driver and I took down my friends 2003 Mustang v6 auto with duals, and all i had was a DIY cone filter intake. I beat him by over a second! Anyways, you may have a small chance except youre auto and since he has headers and intake which give larger gains on american cars....good luck and stay safe..


Derek

LudeAEM

Those auto V6's are 17 second cars... you will rape him if he's auto. Simple as that. #'s don't mean **** sometimes.

Bmr4life

how much should it cost to have a y-pipe installed because my exhaust is almost falling off of my max right now and while i'm having that fixed, i might as well have the y-pipe thrown in there. thx

KsuMax

Mustangs don't have 190hp to the wheels. Thats their rated hp. And auto v6 mustangs are slower than our cars.

speedemn

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Dude, 190hp at the wheels moving x lbs of mass is 190hp at the wheels moving x lbs of mass - Ford, Nissan, Chevy, whatever! It is basic physics! Numbers do mean everything. It is all about whp/lb.

speedemn

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He said that the Mustang guy had a bunch of mods... I assumed that he meant 190 at the wheels... but then on second though he might not know what that means... so nevermind. :-)

Torgus

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i bet you lose.

mad-max98

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if you're auto he wins but if your manual it's close since youre!!!!!!!!!!oh hold on you have a gle so your auto ha ,, well don't stay stock get a y pipe first for 200 buck then get an intake or diy with plumping pipes and put a hole for the temp sensor and your set,,, no seats or subs and disconnect your transmission resistor ,, if you have any ?? about diy intake or exhaust just email me,,,,,,,,,,,,,

1FSTMAX

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When I used to drive my moms 95 GXE with a K&N filter panel, I took out my friend who has a 2k Mustang Auto V6 with dual exhaust, and CAI like by a car. Those cars are dogs, and adding a Intake and headers won't do much. You need like a power adder, or gears to get them going. If you guys race, he might get you off the line, but your will get him in the end. Since the Maxima has a better mid end, and top end.

Ceasars Chariot

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it will be close, find a dragway for the real test !

waveridr85

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no no no, please do not say that. there are many many more things to think about. To list a few: traction, gear ratios, hp curves, torque curves, and the amount of time it takes for the auto tranny to shift. these factors can make at least a 2 second difference if not way more, peak numbers really mean nothing!

ABK

Yeah I don't even bother. I think those things don't even make as much hp as our cars do and plus they are heavy pcs of ****.

Oh yeah since your 1/4 ETs are little bit slow you should be in 15.7-8 with auto I would get a tune up and check for codes on ECU.

LudeAEM

Thank you, someone that knows what thier talking about. Speedemn, you have much to it seems my friend.

harmbone2k2

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just do it and find out!

waveridr85

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you should take that stang no matter what, my friend has one and it is a complete dawg

95stillenmax

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This is kind of a change of subject but im kinda disapointed right now cause last night I got beat by a civic for the first time ever it had a type R with intake, headers, full exaust, cam gears, pullys, fuel rail and ECU. my maxima is a 5 spd and I have a stillen Y pipe stock B pipe but stillen muffler stillen air filter and stock ECU and he beat me by 2 cars I want to go back out there in the next couple of weeks and just blister his *** what is the bigest thing I can do to make my car faster without a whole lot of money like maybe 300 to 500

96white

Techno squares ECU

speedemn

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Yes there are many more factors. I never denied that. However buddy up there posted a blunt statement that deserved just as much a blunt response.

Now for your argument...

traction - Ummm... Mustang = RWD; Maxima = FWD : Mustang 1 - Maxima 0
Gear ratios - Yes the Maxima has better gearing (if both cars are auto), but a 40HP at the wheels advantage will not be made up by any gear ratio advantage!
Shift time - Ummm... I thought that both cars are autos...
2 second difference???? Dude have you EVER been to a track??? 2 sec is BIG - it's like the difference between a stock auto Maxima to a 6-spd Mustang GT!

speedemn

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Umm... ya... right...

Read my above post... edumacate yourself... take it and keep it at the track and then come back and say that. These threads are so pointless.

I've done almost 200 runs at the track and have tested as many variables as I can, so I think I might know what I'm talking about.

subzero9935

mustang gt dosent have a 6-speed ;0) And i think he will get his a** kicked if the mustang has a 5-speed and has a good day

skeelo34

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Without any mods, you're toast. I'll put money on that. I raced my friends 2k mustang with my (at the time) stock 96 gle. He had a passenger, and I had 2 12's in the trunk. He had dual flowmaster exhausts and intake, me just a cone air filter. Off the line I beat him to about 40, afterwards he just pulls away. Once I got my ypipe, he refused to race me. I think with the ypipe it would be very close. I since converted to 5 spd and I know I would spank him now easily. But for stock 96 gle auto, no way you'll beat him unless there is something wrong with his car. Had it been the little older mustangs, 1999?, you'd spank him.

speedemn

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My bad... I said GT but was thinking Cobra. The Cobra is a 6-spd. But that's in the 12s stock... I was infact referring to the GT 5-spd. They are high 13s stock if I'm not mistaken. Stock gen 4 auto Maxima (GLE) would be high 15s. There's your 2 second difference that buddy up there said would be made up with traction and gear ratios alone.

neptunemax

Yo if you raced a civic witha type R motor and a bunch of other swapped out goodies then you will get your *** handed to you everytime. I don't know many people here on the org that can beat a type R swap with all the extra's. Those things are lightning fast. Thats the thing about honda you can fit so many motors under the hoods of unsuspecting cars. You can get beat by a "stock" 88 CRX but it probably has a type R motor or a beefed up GSR motor. Think about the integra GSR is a good comepetitor for our cars, we still beat it but nonetheless it puts up a good race. Put that motor in a lighter car and your set. Keep in mind the type R is rated at 200 i believe on the integra so once its swapped with weight ratios and some tuning those puppies will spank us all day long. Naturally aspirated. This is slightly off topic but it answers your question about getting beat by a civic. I've seen some civics with alot of work so i have more respect for them, but my buddy also has a 97 civic ex with VTec and that thing is so slow it hurts. Even with INJEN cold air intake.

ch13f

^ Dude.. that was so incredibly random, we're talking about a Mustang v6 vs a Maxima, not Honda's with engine swaps... I bet there are quite a few people here who would walk on modified type-r motors in whatever car you can fit it into.

neptunemax

check about ten posts up and you will see whos question i was answering.and wrong again show me anyone on the org who can get to ten seconds quartermile N/A Thats the beauty of motor swaps. I was checking quarter mile times on the HLH website and the fastest i believe was supercharged with nitrous and it ran high 11's. Now don't think i don't respect that becuase thats amazing.Turbo'ed maxes can't get close to even the best of N/A civics and other hondas.. All im sayin is i was answering someone elses question and i feel like there is a lot of disrepect towards 4 banger drivers just becuase everyone witha max thinks they can beat anyone with a civic and i am very hapy when someone gets spanked by a car that in their mind they should have beat.

LudeAEM

Ok, speedmne guy.... maybe you know what your talking about... i could care less really. You just gave a really bland statement and it made you look stupid... thats all. Basicly it comes down to this... V6 Mustangs and Maxima's are slow. The auto's are at least.

95maxrider

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Excuse me???? Are you talking about NA Civics that have fully built engines and gutted interiors? Without major work and weight reduction, I don't see how a NA Civic would smoke a turbo'd Maxima. Sorry. Just wait till Mardigrasmax gets his turbo in.....

Now about this POS Mustang. When I had my old auto 95 Max, I raced a 5 speed V6 Mustang (2001). I had a passenger, 2 subs, intake, y pipe and catback. He had an intake and an empty car. I smoked his **** pretty bad....from any speed. I say from 0-70 I had him by 4 cars or so, and I was walking away. I read this whole thread, and I can't find where it says if this Mustang is auto or not. If he is auto, I think you should beat him. 5 speed, maybe not. You need at least a Y pipe if you plan on racing.

speedemn: When you talked about a GT mustang vs. auto max and a 2 second difference....what was your point? I thought we were talking about a V6 mustang.

ch13f

Sorry about this thread getting derailed..

Got any links to a daily driven 10 second NA Honda that will run on pump gas? (That isn't a tube frame with a Honda emblem) It's impressive regardless, but if you have to rebuild the engine after every pass... I think we may be comparing apples to oranges here anyways... All of these 10 second NA honda's are built by professional drag racers with a nearly infinate budget. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think the best someone has gotten from a maxima is an 11.3 or so, turbo with nitrous IIRC. Normal, non-sponsered enthusiasts on this board are running 11s all day long and then driving the car to work the next morning, without swaping out anything except maybe the front tires. Nobody has gone all out and set up a Maxima built strictly for the 1/4 mile, but if they did, I don't see why it couldn't break into the 10s

Oh and sorry about the "random" comment I made, I found the post you were refering to.

eckohb

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well, i officially got my a$$ handed to me. we were equal until about 30 mph, then he just took off. his car shifted into second gear WAYYYY faster than mine. by the way, his car is AUTO. id say he beat me by about 2.5 car lengths oh well. now ill just have to add some stuff on and see whats up then. also, this mustang, it went toe-to-toe with a 5 spd contour, 2.5 v6 with a short shifter, air intake, and y pipe. the contour ran 0-60 in 6.6, and the stang ended up beating it in the long run. each time was a close race, but something is wrong with this stang. its auto, and he power shifts *squeals his tires* going into second gear :-/

95maxrider

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Did you torque brake? If not, you can get off the line faster by doing that. I'm surprised you lost....that sucks. Get a y pipe, practice TBing, and you should be able to beat him.

eckohb

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if by torque braking, you mean holding the break down, and the accelerator at the same time. if not, please explain it to me. i did the first mentioned

95maxrider

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yes, you got it right