For model years who cant upgrade ECU- There may be hope!
04-03-2004, 03:13 PM
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hmmm looks interesting the idea of a higher rev-limiter would be nice but if they havent advertised it yet i doubt they will have it.
with the great response from our community and how Stillen works i wouldnt doubt seeing this product selling from stillen for ~$700... IMO if demand is high the price will be higher IMO
with the great response from our community and how Stillen works i wouldnt doubt seeing this product selling from stillen for ~$700... IMO if demand is high the price will be higher IMO
04-03-2004, 04:10 PM
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Hoping the price will be 400-500 like was mentioned to me today... Not that I am in the market to get one. Lucky 96er
If they are competing with e-manage you gotta think they would make it in the 400 range. If they advance the timing and maybe even raise the limiter (I kind of doubt it about the limiter will but you never know till you know...) then it will probably be more...like 600?
BTW Maxima owners are reputed to be kind of ..frugal... so they probably know not to hope for too much dough.
If they are competing with e-manage you gotta think they would make it in the 400 range. If they advance the timing and maybe even raise the limiter (I kind of doubt it about the limiter will but you never know till you know...) then it will probably be more...like 600?
BTW Maxima owners are reputed to be kind of ..frugal... so they probably know not to hope for too much dough.
04-03-2004, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Spaniard
Hoping the price will be 400-500 like was mentioned to me today... Not that I am in the market to get one. Lucky 96er
If they are competing with e-manage you gotta think they would make it in the 400 range. If they advance the timing and maybe even raise the limiter (I kind of doubt it about the limiter will but you never know till you know...) then it will probably be more...like 600?
BTW Maxima owners are reputed to be kind of ..frugal... so they probably know not to hope for too much dough.
If they are competing with e-manage you gotta think they would make it in the 400 range. If they advance the timing and maybe even raise the limiter (I kind of doubt it about the limiter will but you never know till you know...) then it will probably be more...like 600?
BTW Maxima owners are reputed to be kind of ..frugal... so they probably know not to hope for too much dough.
sorry i agree
04-03-2004, 05:49 PM
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Uh oh. Stillen didn't give you the "it will be out in 30 days" did they? If so, expect to wait more like 6-12 months. They're infamous telling customers "it will be out in 30 days".
It does look like a cool setup. Hopefully the limiter can be raised because it's critical if you want to run the MEVI.
Dave
It does look like a cool setup. Hopefully the limiter can be raised because it's critical if you want to run the MEVI.
Dave
04-03-2004, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave B
Uh oh. Stillen didn't give you the "it will be out in 30 days" did they? If so, expect to wait more like 6-12 months. They're infamous telling customers "it will be out in 30 days".
It does look like a cool setup. Hopefully the limiter can be raised because it's critical if you want to run the MEVI.
Dave
It does look like a cool setup. Hopefully the limiter can be raised because it's critical if you want to run the MEVI.
Dave
Should we start a poll as to how long until it actually takes to be ready to ship?
How about this: we get someone to order a JWT ECU and we pre-order a VQ Pro and we see who takes delivery first...!
Id love to know what it does for a VQ35... sounds like it might be able to enable 300 hp at the wheels N/A with all the mods!!!... that would be shweeeeet!!!
04-03-2004, 11:06 PM
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If they come out with a boosted verison for their SC kits, then that would rock.
But then again, they won't make one for anyone with an upgraded pulley, since they frown heavily on that. Same with 300zx Injectors.
I have a 97 with a JWT ECU (SC Program, Upgraded Revs, 300zx Injector map) - works fine except for a 1005 "Phantom Code" (no CEL, but there when I check it) that won't go away.
But then again, they won't make one for anyone with an upgraded pulley, since they frown heavily on that. Same with 300zx Injectors.
I have a 97 with a JWT ECU (SC Program, Upgraded Revs, 300zx Injector map) - works fine except for a 1005 "Phantom Code" (no CEL, but there when I check it) that won't go away.
04-04-2004, 07:05 AM
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This sounds great if it comes in at the $400-500 mentioned. And if I understand right you do not have to modify your ECU 
If no one is willing to spend the $100 or so for before and after dynos I would definatly be willing to contriute to a dyno fund for independent before and after dynos to see what this really does.
If no one is willing to spend the $100 or so for before and after dynos I would definatly be willing to contriute to a dyno fund for independent before and after dynos to see what this really does.
04-04-2004, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by slammed95
You need to be banned due to sheer stupidity and useless posts.
Even if it is just a 7hp gain, that could give you the edge over whoever you're racing. You gotta pay to play. There is no set $/hp ratio, some things will give more hp per dollar than others.
Even if it is just a 7hp gain, that could give you the edge over whoever you're racing. You gotta pay to play. There is no set $/hp ratio, some things will give more hp per dollar than others.
:OrgyOwned: hehe
hey think of it like this if we buy form stillen we'll get those cool Stillen stickers
04-04-2004, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by slammed95
You need to be banned due to sheer stupidity and useless posts.
Even if it is just a 7hp gain, that could give you the edge over whoever you're racing. You gotta pay to play. There is no set $/hp ratio, some things will give more hp per dollar than others.
Even if it is just a 7hp gain, that could give you the edge over whoever you're racing. You gotta pay to play. There is no set $/hp ratio, some things will give more hp per dollar than others.
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04-04-2004, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxInProgress
What would happend if this was combined with a techno or a jwt ecu?
04-04-2004, 07:45 PM
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so....7-10 whp for 400-600 bucks...i'd rather have nos.
i just wonder what stillen is doing that nissan engineers didn't do, and why they didn't do it. i would find it hard to believe that stillen knows more about that engine and the ecu then the engineers who developed it. any ideas?
i just wonder what stillen is doing that nissan engineers didn't do, and why they didn't do it. i would find it hard to believe that stillen knows more about that engine and the ecu then the engineers who developed it. any ideas?
04-04-2004, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Torgus
so....7-10 whp for 400-600 bucks...i'd rather have nos.
2. I was told 4-500 not 4-600
*EDIT* 3. Some people perfer to stay N/A
Originally Posted by Torgus
i just wonder what stillen is doing that nissan engineers didn't do, and why they didn't do it. i would find it hard to believe that stillen knows more about that engine and the ecu then the engineers who developed it. any ideas?
It said that they are modifying the air/fuel mixtures. I saw in my stock ecu that my fuel/air mixtures sucked above 3000K, especially around 4-5K. Like down to around 10. So theres a big plus. Check it out
They might advance the timing to make it a more aggressive program that still is within stress/tolerances of the VQ. Something JWT ECUs do. If they do this they might be able to rais the rev limiter- like JWT.
Heres after the JWT ECU - check out the difference in air fuel.
Anyone else know what I might not be covering?
Part of me wants to say "whats the point of any aftermarket stuff" if you think the way that you wrote in your post! Its about more performance and sacrificing what the general public might consider more important than Horsepower!
04-05-2004, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Spaniard
1. 7 to 10 PERCENT. That could mean 25 WHP depending on your mods. But that might be optomistic. But its also apparently largely across the RPM band (apparently, assuming that that is what they meant when then said "mid throttle and extend to redline") NOTE that this does not imply that they have EXTENDED redline
2. I was told 4-500 not 4-600
*EDIT* 3. Some people perfer to stay N/A
If you figure that JWT ECUs have alot going for them over stock, then this question mostly answers itself.
It said that they are modifying the air/fuel mixtures. I saw in my stock ecu that my fuel/air mixtures sucked above 3000K, especially around 4-5K. Like down to around 10. So theres a big plus. Check it out
They might advance the timing to make it a more aggressive program that still is within stress/tolerances of the VQ. Something JWT ECUs do. If they do this they might be able to rais the rev limiter- like JWT.
Heres after the JWT ECU - check out the difference in air fuel.
Anyone else know what I might not be covering?
Part of me wants to say "whats the point of any aftermarket stuff" if you think the way that you wrote in your post! Its about more performance and sacrificing what the general public might consider more important than Horsepower!
2. I was told 4-500 not 4-600
*EDIT* 3. Some people perfer to stay N/A
If you figure that JWT ECUs have alot going for them over stock, then this question mostly answers itself.
It said that they are modifying the air/fuel mixtures. I saw in my stock ecu that my fuel/air mixtures sucked above 3000K, especially around 4-5K. Like down to around 10. So theres a big plus. Check it out
They might advance the timing to make it a more aggressive program that still is within stress/tolerances of the VQ. Something JWT ECUs do. If they do this they might be able to rais the rev limiter- like JWT.
Heres after the JWT ECU - check out the difference in air fuel.
Anyone else know what I might not be covering?
Part of me wants to say "whats the point of any aftermarket stuff" if you think the way that you wrote in your post! Its about more performance and sacrificing what the general public might consider more important than Horsepower!
i'll see it when i believe it. why doesn't the stillen guy come on here and tell us all about it? hype it up for us to buy it if it's out in a month and all...
how do you get 25whp with no extended rev limiter!?!? that would be fricken amazing. i could believe an increase of 10-15hp at the crank. which is why i said 7-10whp. oh well only time will tell.
stillen should still get on this board and tell us all whats up. hell you sponsor this forum. sell you new product here.
04-05-2004, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Torgus
i'll see it when i believe it.
Originally Posted by Torgus
how do you get 25whp with no extended rev limiter!?!? that would be fricken amazing. i could believe an increase of 10-15hp at the crank. which is why i said 7-10whp. oh well only time will tell.
04-05-2004, 10:37 AM
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well, someone needs to shove a foot up your sorry a$$ for being a complete fool, one willing to spend $500 for a 7hp gain, provided that's what it was.
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What do you think Headers from Cattman do? Is is like $500 or $600 for only about 7hp.
04-05-2004, 10:47 AM
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Honestly, I don't think JWT's A/F ratios above 5000rpms are really ideal. Running nearly 14:1 all the way across the powerband is a bit risky. I have the JWT ECU and I pulled my plugs a couple weeks back and noticed all of them were prodomiantly whiteish which indicates a very lean fuel mixture. Ideally, I think JWT could gain a few more horses if they'd dial in some more fuel on the topend (~13:1). As we all know, the knock sensors in these cars are VERY picky and running really lean in the upper rpms can induce detonation, especially on a hot motor and warm day. My car's performance can vary by .2 and nearly 3mph by simply running on a hot motor vs a warm motor. My car was never like this until I got the JWT ECU. If I don't let the motor cool then it's high 14.5s-14.6s@94-95mph. If I let the motor cool for about 30-45 minutes then it's consistent 14.4s@97-98mph.
As for the gains with the Stillen unit, a peak gain of 7fwhp/fwtq wouldn't be bad at all assuming the midrange picks up 10+fwhp/fwtq like the JWT does. I believe most guys are seeing gains up to 15fwhp/tq between 3500-5400rpms with the JWT and midrange power is where all your acceleration comes from.
Dave
As for the gains with the Stillen unit, a peak gain of 7fwhp/fwtq wouldn't be bad at all assuming the midrange picks up 10+fwhp/fwtq like the JWT does. I believe most guys are seeing gains up to 15fwhp/tq between 3500-5400rpms with the JWT and midrange power is where all your acceleration comes from.
Dave
04-20-2004, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueC
For $500 you can get nitrous and run a 35-50shot with hardly anything. But only upto a 10% increase for $500 isnt really great unless you got cash to spend.
Also, I don't want to be spraying. I would like to stay N/A without all that crap. Just not really into it, because I use my car too much, and don't have the constant money to use on nitrous.
I am sure others that are in favor of Stillen getting this developed are feeling the same.
04-20-2004, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Brudaddy
Also, I don't want to be spraying. I would like to stay N/A without all that crap. Just not really into it, because I use my car too much, and don't have the constant money to use on nitrous.
Yea, the best thing about N/A is that the power is there EVERY TIME you step on the pedal, eh?! Gotta love "always on" foot-pounds!
04-20-2004, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave B
Honestly, I don't think JWT's A/F ratios above 5000rpms are really ideal. Running nearly 14:1 all the way across the powerband is a bit risky. I have the JWT ECU and I pulled my plugs a couple weeks back and noticed all of them were prodomiantly whiteish which indicates a very lean fuel mixture. Ideally, I think JWT could gain a few more horses if they'd dial in some more fuel on the topend (~13:1). As we all know, the knock sensors in these cars are VERY picky and running really lean in the upper rpms can induce detonation, especially on a hot motor and warm day. My car's performance can vary by .2 and nearly 3mph by simply running on a hot motor vs a warm motor. My car was never like this until I got the JWT ECU. If I don't let the motor cool then it's high 14.5s-14.6s@94-95mph. If I let the motor cool for about 30-45 minutes then it's consistent 14.4s@97-98mph.
As for the gains with the Stillen unit, a peak gain of 7fwhp/fwtq wouldn't be bad at all assuming the midrange picks up 10+fwhp/fwtq like the JWT does. I believe most guys are seeing gains up to 15fwhp/tq between 3500-5400rpms with the JWT and midrange power is where all your acceleration comes from.
Dave
As for the gains with the Stillen unit, a peak gain of 7fwhp/fwtq wouldn't be bad at all assuming the midrange picks up 10+fwhp/fwtq like the JWT does. I believe most guys are seeing gains up to 15fwhp/tq between 3500-5400rpms with the JWT and midrange power is where all your acceleration comes from.
Dave
04-20-2004, 08:53 PM
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seeing as how this works for soooo many models(which means it is not specified for our exact make and model) i bet it just makes the maf read that its 32F outside...and tells the compy to dump fuel in like its going out of style 
who knows. but as i said before. if i was a sponser of a webforum/page/community. and i was developing a product which would primarily be bought by members of the said sponsered web community/page/forum/whatever. i'd post on here and give people a heads up. make everyone start saving up. hell take pre orders!
its been about a month...someone email stealing stillen and ask them when it will be available. and ask what it really does! not just, 'you put it in and it makes HP'. thats the slogan of tornado air.
who knows. but as i said before. if i was a sponser of a webforum/page/community. and i was developing a product which would primarily be bought by members of the said sponsered web community/page/forum/whatever. i'd post on here and give people a heads up. make everyone start saving up. hell take pre orders!
its been about a month...someone email stealing stillen and ask them when it will be available. and ask what it really does! not just, 'you put it in and it makes HP'. thats the slogan of tornado air.
04-20-2004, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueC
For $500 you can get nitrous and run a 35-50shot with hardly anything. But only upto a 10% increase for $500 isnt really great unless you got cash to spend.
04-21-2004, 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Torgus
if i was a sponsor of a webforum/page/community. and i was developing a product which would primarily be bought by members of the said sponsored web community/page/forum/whatever. i'd post on here and give people a heads up. make everyone start saving up. hell take pre orders!
its been about a month...someone email stealing stillen and ask them when it will be available. and ask what it really does! not just, 'you put it in and it makes HP'. thats the slogan of tornado air.
its been about a month...someone email stealing stillen and ask them when it will be available. and ask what it really does! not just, 'you put it in and it makes HP'. thats the slogan of tornado air.
And stop whining and how about you call them yourself and help out the community!!!!
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04-21-2004, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueC
For $500 you can get nitrous and run a 35-50shot with hardly anything. But only upto a 10% increase for $500 isnt really great unless you got cash to spend.
With this chip, if it comes out, sure, $500 for smaller gains, but 2 or 3 years down the road it will still cost me $500. Where as your nitrous + refills could add up very quickly well into the $1000s without you even noticing.
and I agree with slammed95, every little bit adds up. 15hp for y-pipe, 5hp for intake, 5hp for exhaust, 4hp for UDP, ~15hp for ecu....by themselves not too much, but all together you have yourself ~40 extra hp of NA power. not bad.