Kevlo911

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WTF is wrong with my car people. Everytime we race, he always wins. I get about a 3/4's of a car lead in 1st gear. Then the tranny switches to second and he starts to pull on my and kills me by 1.5 cars. So what could it be? How can I be so fast in 1st gear and be so slow in second? I tried manually shhifting and leaving it in "D".
From what I read, the 00-01 are suppose to be a little slower then a 4th gen.


If any mods don't like this thread, PM I wil delete it.

maxspeed96CT

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i dunno man, i lost to a 01 when my knock sensor was messed up, he might of had a puley or some hiden modd. But we were both 5spd, i dont know with the autos.

Kevlo911

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Well i have a new knock sensor. I am the one who works on his car. He has no MODS. I have intake.

Street Reeper

Do you have your over drive off (the o/d off light on) you definatly want to leave that light off if you are getting above 60 mph.

- What are his mods, and what are yours, do you have aftermarket wheels??

- How many miles does your car have, what about his??

- What kind of basic service have you performed on your car??

- Are you running premium gas??

4th gens (especially 95/96) should be a little bit quicker but that is considering that both cars have equal mods, equal drivers, and are in equal running condition.

[EDIT] what kind of intake do you have?????

Kevlo911

iTrader: (36)

I have Hybrid Intake. He is 100% stock. I have regular in there right now, but so does he. He doesn't have aftermarket wheels, he has stock 16's. I have the sawblades. I don't understand how I kill him off the line and pull on him so much in 1st gear and then in second he pulls way ahead of me. I don't think the VI can do all that.

Street Reeper

Try putting your stock intake back on, with the hybrid intake you are losing a lot of midrange power, midrange power is your only advantage against the 01's. How long have you been running crappy octane? You may have carbon build up that is further hindering your performance, always use premium.

Kevlo911

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I usually use regular. I have recently cleaned the intake manifold with SeaFoam.
So I should go back to stock? Hmmmm. I though I only loose low end. Oh yeah, I don't I have hybrid. I put my stock resonator on about 1 mounth ago.

2naboy

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those cars come wth variable intakes and make 32 more hp than yours. So all things being equal, he should win.

THT

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The 5th gens are also heavier. I think it's documented that the 4th gens are quicker than the 5th.

~THT

DoGGy

I raced sean (scopium) a while ago. we both have auto. i have a 98 se and he has a 2001 gxe. back then i belive he had a muffler installed and i THINK he still had his injen intake. anyways i had a passenger and he didnt have any. also my fuel tank was half way between 1/4 full and empty.

we had 3 runs and on all 3 runs i had jump start on him and i swear i put half a car to 1 car on him on every run but then he gained back on me more and more and more. by about 100-110 mph, he had about 2-2.5 cars on me on EVERY run.

it seems like the 4th gen's are able to jump off the line better than the 5th's and be in the lead till about 50 mph or so.

look at some of the videos of cesar charriot vs the turbo 5th gen (i forgot the owners .org name, i think his car is gold). the 5th gen is about a second faster than the 4th but cesar always had a jump start and put about a car on him till 60 but then lost to him down 1/4 mile.

sk24iam

I have the same problem man. Same exact car as you and I think something is wrong with it. I raced a v6 accord and I lost twice. I don't know if any of these are the reasons why, but I'm doing this stuff just in case...

-new tires
-air filter
-alternator recall
-change fuel filter
-change knock sensor
-check o2 sensors
-clean the IAC
-upgrade battery wiring to 0 guage
-clean throttle body
-NGK V-Power Copper Spark Plugs

Kevlo911

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I ran a 15.9 in teh 1/4 mile. But I launched like crap. I should be able to get better. I am going to use premium again( I used at track) and hopefully I will beat him

2naboy

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The problem is the variable intake. The 4th gen looses power at higher rpms but the 5th gen because of the variable intake maintains good power longer. You are able to take off better because the long runner intake in the 4th gives good torque which makes for good take off but soon after that the power starts to drop off. The 5th gen swithches to short runner intake at a preset rpm which enables it to maintain power and thus gain on the 4th gen.Yes wheight is a problem but its is able to overcome it at the high end and of course the added 32hp doesn't hurt.

BadKarma99-4spd

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i agree with the basic idea as the 5gen upper rpm is soo silky smooth compared to the 4th gen. i believe the weight cancels out the hp advantage, leaving the 5 gen variable intake to shine

my 4gen with mods listed below will walk jeremysride2000 with his intake, but as soon as he FINALLY decides to get a y-pipe id be more than willing to bet he will walk me.

my .02, probably not worth picking up off the street

Chickan

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You should ALWAYS run premium gas, your engine will thank you for it. Also, if you want to have a nice shot at him, improve your upper power band by getting in on the warpspeed y-pipe deal, at $160 shipped, it will give you a major boost.

Chickan

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you do realize that the silky smooth upper rpm's on the 5gen is caused by the VI, and also that is what makes the majority of the added HP in the upper band. So saying weight cancels out hp, but VI shines is complete crap, as the VI is making the extra HP, it doesn't make some magical go fast solution to rub on its tailpipe or anything

2naboy

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Thank you! Its the addition of the vi and and the change in the cam profile that gives it added hp. You have to remeber that its not just the hp but where you're making it that counts. The 01 makes the power more consistently in a wider rpm range while the 4th gen drops off more quickly. So the weight only counts at takeof but after that, the 01 will always catch up and pass.

XoPtOn

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is ur maxima a cali emissions? calis are slower then feds, im a gle and im cali

BadKarma99-4spd

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Chicken, i can't understand how you dont believe in magical go fast solution(i buy mine as a powder not a solution), and dont get me started on my stickers and emblems.


weight does cancel out hp, this is why we can beat tractor trailers in a race, A Mack AC 427 puts out 427 hp and 1,500 lb. ft., but the truck weighs several tons. power to weight ratio

same way a lotus eleis's(sp) 190 hp would apsolutly rape my maxima's 190 hp

as we all know there are several other factors

Mizeree_X

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This is taken from SteVTEC's 3.0L comparison:



As you can see, the 5th gen with 16's makes tons of power above 5400RPM as compared to the 4th gen with 15's. This is where he is gaining on you. That graph is already correcting for the weight difference between the 2 cars, by the way.

Kevlo911

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I have fed spec.
Well I just put some premium in. $20 = 10.2 gal
I wish I could get a ypipe. But I have no moeny since I bought some Kyb GR-2 and Progress springs. Maybe in a few months I will get an y-pipe.

BTW. According to hte 1/4 forum. The sticky's say that a 5th gen auto runs 15.8. and a 4th gen auto runs 15.7. So either way, should not be loosing about 1 car plus at 80mph.

Shift_my vq

Dude you should alway's alway's use premium gas. If you buy ten gallons of gas it's usaly only 2 dollars more for premium. It's so worth it for two dollars. And I think it must be something in the auto trany's that makes a diffrence. Becuase I have a buddy that has a 00 5th gen se 5spd with injen intake, catman y pipe, I have 95 max se 5spd, ebay intake, and y pipe. No ecu at the time, and we would race from a light to like a hundred and I would have him by two cars at a hundred and I was pulling away the entire time.

BadKarma99-4spd

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to compare another 5gen auto jeremysride2000 ran a 15.6 with just an intake and those heavy 17's with what he descirbes a crappy launch.

Kevlo911

iTrader: (36)

I ran a 15.9 with the worst launch in the world(first time at track). SO if he was 1.5 cars ahead of me at 80mph then how fast would that make him?

Kevlo911

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Okay, I figured it out. Manually shifting = no good.
I left it in D and he did not pass me until 90.