be glad to have you come out, there are alot of good people coming out as i understand.

My whole original purpose of posting here in this thread was to bash a few egos and refuse to give up until we all could find common ground. thats what the internet is good for, keeps people from throwing punches.

Yes its immature and retarted but it works. i have always had respect for maximas and their owners and it upset me to see comments coming from maxima owners that i usually hear from people driving hondas. i hold you all to a higher standard.

 

anyone who knows me, is aware that i simply laugh at most import owners and walk/drive away. I spent a few hours on here today (i had plenty of free time). thats because i have a special respect for maxima owners. although i never posted here before dont' forget i used to drive a maxima, it was my first car. my brother and i talk about maxima stuff everysingle time i see him.

 

It depends on the car when it comes to servicing. People have already mentioned that high end cars such as the Corvette can cost as much an M3 or more. However, you are right about the practicality statement. I meant only to compare the M3 to the vette. The M3, being a luxury car, comes standard with far more options (but does cost more) than a T/A or a camaro. They are completely different cars, really not even comparable. My mistake

 

Carefull, I was a faithful honda owner. I was just as educated with them as I am now with maximas. We should all be held to the same standard.

 

Well how about this. I can tell you that a Z06 will handle better than an M5. How do i know this cause my mom has an M5 and my dads has a Z06. I have driven the **** out of them. But the M5 just lacks *****. Its good for going to the store and thats about it.

 

hahahaha fine fine. i'll try but that ones gonna be extra difficult.

 

Phew. I'm glad this thread looks like it's beginning to calm down... I think it's a great and interesting discussion minus all the unnecessary anger. =P

I was just discussing with my friend that American car engines just seem to defy everything we know about cars and engines (though granted, that isn't much)... he particularly mentioned the LS1 as being beyond all logic. I don't know anything about it, since I just lurk on this forum, and he goes off to bunches of other car forums and actually posts, but...

Friend: that engine specifically just defies whatever i know about engines
Friend: even the mustang cobra v8's supercharged 4.6l
Friend: n/a it's like.. what, 300hp
Friend: maybe around 400ish if you do stuff to it without forced induction
Friend: super/turbocharge, instant 400-500, sky's the limit
Friend: that makes sense to me
Friend: 5.7l v8, 500hp n/a.. wtf
Friend: turbocharge it, 900hp
Friend: ?!?!

Since Japanese cars make me used to 3.0-4.0-ish liter displacement numbers, I'm totally prepared to believe that the larger displacements are the cause of these crazy output numbers, but is there really no other drastic difference in the engineering that would cause it?

Maybe that's a stupid question... just wanted to post something constructive. =D

 

yes the ls1 is truly an amazing engine. although i may be biased.

displacement is a large part of it, perfecting air fuel mixtures, and valvetrain are also a large part of the ls1s numbers.

for a mere 4 grand in parts you can put any ls1 motor beyond the 500 hp range and were talking same reliabiility as a stock ls1 motor. headers, heads, cam and a lid will get u there. and you havn't even touched the intake, injectors, pistons, rods, etc etc.

the ls1 motor is truly an interesting piece of aluminum and that was one of its selling points with me.

i'm goin to bed so i can get up tommorrow without hating life.

 

97SEMAXI,

There are so many inaccuracies in this thread, I don't even know where to begin. I can only assume you've never seen a modded f-body. Rather than let this thread die down, I'd rather give you some info and luckily, you live close to me, as I am in Jonesboro, Ga.. this means you can witness it first hand.


My car has the following:
224/224 .581/.581 cam 112lsa (mild street cam, slight lope) and valvesprings $450 shipped
Pacesetter Longtube Headers $350 shipped
Custom True Dual Exhaust $400 shipped
4.10 gears

Those are my power mods. It makes ~380 to the rear (~430hp) n/a. My car is VERY lightly modded. I don't even have all the boltons, and I ran 12.0 @ 114.6.. There are cars with similar mods as mine with larger cams (same cost, just lopier sound) in the low 11's, and some with the rest of the boltons and a cam running in the 10's. There are also *50* BOLTON only 11 second cars all stock motor n/a cars listed on ls1 boards in drag racing sections, never had a valve cover off. Much less the slew of 10 second heads/cam stock shortblock cars. We won't even go into forced induction. Lets just say there's more than one LS1 owner in the 9's on the stock bottomend. Rob Raymer has actually taken a 125,000 mile stock bottomend to 800rwhp. Hows that for reliability? Piece of **** Domestics.

No way an M3 has any more potential than that. Hell, buy the new carcraft. There are 75 asshauling domestics in there. It even states, its almost hard NOT to go fast in an LS1. One of the quicker street cars in there was a SS with 150 wet shot, and rearend launching on slicks running 10.80's.. stock longblock.

These same mods can be applied to a Corvette, and are just as cheap. Its the exact same motor. Cam, valvesprings, heads, yadda, yadda. all cost the same. Its MUCH MUCH cheaper to modify a corvette to 500rwhp. Not only that, it's cheaper to do handling mods as upgrading it to better than z06 swaybars/shocks/springs, etc. is well under a thou.

The performance capabilities of an LS1 are SO much more cheaper, and so much more numerous, that anybody who has any idea what they are talking about would break out into laughter with your claim of M3 modifying capability and ease. Its called cubic inches.

M3 Vs. LS1

My Camaro ran 13.3 @ 106 bonestock at silver dollar with a ****ty 60'. I still have the timeslips, this is not even close to unbelievable as there are probably 150 LS1 owners on ls1 boards who have slaughtered my stock time. Magazine times suck, its pretty commonly known by anybody who has actually taken their car to the strip and can drive decent/well and compared to magazine times. A vette weighs much less and is much more aerodynamic, its not very uncommon to see 12 second vettes for sure, and on some occasions 12 second t/a's and camaros. You can't use a magazine as a comparison.

Handling:

First of all, lets get this straight. A camaro will outhandle your car. Thats all their is to it.. if you don't believe me I'll drive up there. It will not only outhandle it, it will DEMOLISH it. Second of all, even if it doesn't outhandle *x* car.. domestic cars are SO cheap to modify that it would be less than 2k to run with a Porsche at a dragstrip. Some have done it just boxing their LCA's, throwing some victoracers on and doing a shock/spring setup and some extra power if its a real quick Porsche. Sam Strano has done this for several years now.

An m3 DOES NOT get better gas milage than a properly running f-body. I should know, I make ~380rwhp with 4.10's and still break 26-28mpg on the highway without a sweat. Any m6 fbody should get 28mpg+ stock. Almost all modified ones will still retain this no matter how much horsepower so long as the car has a good tune. Rob Raymer from LS1Motorsports.com managed to tune his 770rwhp turbo beast to get around 32mpg cruising on the highway.

If you ever feel the need to race an f-body in any of your friends modified m3's, or m3 race cars let me know. I'll run them with my $1000 in engine mods. Hell, theres probably about 100 people in the atlanta area ranging from 300rwhp to 475rwhp ALL motor stock longblock. You have alot to learn little one.

An LS1/LS6 (Same thing, more or less) Vette is 19x the car of an M3 when it comes to any reliability tests, performance, or gas milage.

Vettes do some ridicolous tests before even released like 24 hours of autocrossing, and 24 hours of w.o.t.. They can take some heavy abuse.

Where as M3 released an engine that blew up AT LEAST 155 times within 5k-10k miles on non abused cars. Thats not counting the people who didn't post on this website, or somewhere related.

http://www.yoy.com/auto/m3_failwhat.shtml

^-- M3 Engine Failure Archive website

"Based on what we know of production numbers and extrapolating from them, perhaps five-hundred or more S54 engines have failed."

"Some of these engines failed catastrophically, with punctured blocks and huge clouds of burnt oil and coolant pouring from the engine compartment. Based on my careful reading of the one-hundred failures to date, at least 13% of documented failures posed a serious hazard."

A majority of these cars did this before 5k miles. Wouldn't it suck to have a brand new m3 in 2002 blow up on you within 5k? heh.

That being said. I'd still buy an m3 for a daily driver if i had the cash, that way I could turn my LS1 into a 8-9 second weekend bruiser.

Peace,
Josh

 

Once again, not comparable cars. Unless you are a professional driver and you weren't conducting acutal tests that can be measured, your opinion means nothing in an argument. Yet again, anecdotal statement.

However, you are a lucky to have access to an M5. Lacks *****? What's wrong with you? The M5 is a great sports sedan. It is a sedan, but that car has to be one of the most fun cars to drive hard with 4 of your friends in the car with you!

 

Hey, all you guys talking about american v8's: Large displacement will always put you down the path to big power/torque. However, the M3 gets 333hp with only 3.3 liters. Imagine what they could do with 5.7ltrs. I can almost guarantee that they would have higher #'s than the vette. Doing more with less is always a greater accomplishment than just doing more.

 

That may be true, I just wish they'd do it so I can... er... wish I had enough money to buy one. But until then...

 

uhh, there was a post about 3 pages back about how pushrods are simple. OHC is simpler, and lighter, which is why you can rev higher with it (no need for heavier valve springs, etc). Pushrods actually have MORE complexity per valve than OHC motors.

and for the Domestic vs Import debate, you guys are BOTH ignorant. i hear all this talk about how this car is better than that, regardless, etc etc, blah blah. who cares? if its fast, then its cool in my book. Imports are better at putting in the goodies from the factory and have much stronger engines and domestics are good starting places for big power. you can make a domestic handle VERY good (the ability for 10" wide wheels under the stock fenders is hard to argue with) to overcome their inherent lack of suspension sophistication and weight. i know of a Mustspank that will murder ANY maxima concieved around a track, and i know of a $7000 roadracing SE-R that is much faster than the top lap times for the American Iron series. there is always someone faster. i like what i like, and you guys like what you like. why? well, because. who cares what badge is on it as long as you actually like the car? you know what they say about opinions and a$$holes....

the guy with the cammed fbody: i feel sorry for you man. i had to help my friend with his 5.0 change out the cam, and i hated that. in fact, i hate working on domestics, cant get it straight whether to go with standard or metric, even on the same part. the engine bay is even worse on Fbodies for space. changing the spark plugs is a damned quest for the Holy Grail or something.

now, for you F-body guys who just showed up here and spouted off, i ask you this: how many of you have run 129mph in the 1/4 with $2500 worth of engine parts? this doesnt include nitrous, as i can run this ALL weekend long, without having to refill a bottle. besides, who knows how fast my car will go with even a mere 50 shot on it? 135+mph? this is all with the STOCK bottom end, the only thing that has been changed on the motor is the cams. the car only went 11.56@129, but this was with my roadracing alignment (2.5* negative camber) and with some puny slicks (MT 22x8x15s). i got kicked out after that run (no cage) so i may be able to whittle it down to an 11.0 or so with some more pratice, but im over drag racing. needless to say, FWD is giving me some traction issues. how many of you guys can shove 22 psi through a stock bottom end that was NA from the factory. dont you all raise your hands at once...

also, the car went 12.9@107 on stock nissan turbo parts from japan, 3" exhaust, and a front mount intercooler. totaled about $1200 for the whole kit. 10 psi on a TINY T25.

i still get about 35 mpg on the freeway (once, i hit 38) but its about 2-3.5 mpg on the roadcourse, unfortunatly. damned 72 lb/hr injectors are thirsty....

that was in the SE-R, btw, NOT the maxima.

my maxima is about on par with your V6 brethren with 0.8L less displacement, FWD and room for 5. put that in your pipe and smoke it, shoot.

 

Maximas are for grandma's not for performance


These *****es are done lets roll out LS1TECH

 

Well they did build that 'ol 6064cc McLaren F1 engine many years ago...which made 627 bhp NA and quite easily really. It's more than just numbers though, the BMW powerplant will take the Mac to >230mph.

Shoot BMW had that 'ol Grand Prix turbo engine back in the eighties that made 1500bhp+ out of 1499cc. To each his own...


Dustin

 

Well, I would like to say that guido32 is a very intelligent person. Reminds me of myself on LS1tech, when flame wars occur... just try to use pure facts. I don't think I will argue anymore, as this thread has calmed down a lot.

One thing though... about the M3 and if it was a v-8 and th power it would produce... it may produce more than say an LS1, but it would also cost so much more... who is to say that chevy can't make the same power either? Reason they don't do that is price... they already make good motors with decent HP...

 

just wanted to pop ur ballon, there are TONS of f-body owners running mid 11's with only 2500 in the engine. After that its a clutch, 4.10's, slicks and skinnies, lca's, torque arm, sub frames, and qa1's. 2,500 is more than enough to tell you the truth because people do it with headers and a cutout alone all day. slap the street tires back on and you have an extremely streetable daily driver.

Again i'm just here to inform, and you have opinions also and u have condemed yourself by entering our ignorant discussion.

"how many of you guys can shove 22 psi through a stock bottom end that was NA from the factory. dont you all raise your hands at once... " can be done and has been done, its called an icon twin turbo setup and they are runnin just a tad quicker than you. Stockrearend dosn't break cuz you can puss it off the line and then spool the turbos.

theres lots of things you can do but that dosn't make them a good idea, or reliable. keep hammering your stock bottom end with 22psi and we'll see how long it lasts.

 

All you Supra Worshippers... Better watch out, because the "Domestic" Supra is out. And its called the Terminator! :thumbups: The 03/4 Cobra has a bulletproof engine, forged crank/rods/pistons, and can handle anything you dish at it. For 500$ you can have 400rwhp machine... thats 50 whp from an intake and catback.. thats not even playing with the BOOST yet.

Lets keep the import fanboys educated on modern domestic machines.

As for the technology... Who cares if you can do 100 hp per liter... What matters is the end result... the fuel economy, the performance results, the power output etc. I dont see the M3s conserving that much gas compared to the LS1/6's, especially when you are WOT. If you care about pollution, then yea, maybe those ultra high compression engines are a little better, but we were mostly talking about PERFORMANCE, no?

 

if you had paid any attention you would have noticed that i asked how many of you have run 129mph on $2500 worth of parts. i am fully aware that you can run 11s on $2500. i have a 10 second car, but i have 11 second traction. to this, i am fully aware that RWD cars are superior. you could build up an S13 240sx for similiar cost and run 10s on $2500 worth of aftermarket parts. its been done. so, let me ask again: has anyone who flamed here run 129 mph on $2500 worth of parts?

you think that 22psi is hammering on the stock nissan bottom end? are you aware of the 4 bolt mains? the forged crank/rods? the stock structural upper oil pan? the beefy main girdle? hell, i hit 438whp @20 psi, and the stock bottom end record is over 560whp @ 28 psi. my car has been running this boost (haven't turned the boost controller off since March 2003) for over a year now, and its been fine. i think its a perfectly good idea. i have a friend with over 150,000 miles on his similiarly equipped car (same turbo) and its been turbo'd since 70,000. i really hope youre not going to argue with Nissan relibility. No one has blown up an SR20 yet unless they did something stupid (20 psi on 91 octane, for example)

youre saying someone ran 22 psi on the stock heads, gaskets, studs, rods and pistons? damn. i wasnt aware of this. that is pretty impressive. did it blow up or anything? seriously, i am curious. thats a lot of flow to ask of those incons, the delta P must have been huge for those smallish turbines.

so, has any f-body owner who posted here done any of this? have you even run 129 mph at all? wanna race?

i notice a lot of the $hit talkers out there dont actually have cars that make big power. they always talk about other people's cars, but never about their own. the big boys dont need to show up on some forum for maximas, take the time to register an account and tell them how much their cars suck. most people who actually built fast cars understand the engineering involved and can actually respect ANYONE for going fast instead of propping themselves up with lame statements. these are the american version of the ricer.

 

and who the **** said that i have a 2k2 engine in my max? i have a 2k engine with 2k tranny in my max so shut the **** up. plus go to the west coast thread and post there asking about my car and all the maximas from the fremont meet will tell you they seen my 2k engine. so you need to know what u are talking about. and since when did this become a domestic thread?

and just wait uuntil i finish my vq35 project with t3/t4 turbo and we will see whats up.

 

wow, Cobras have made over 1000whp with the totally stock bottom end? thanks for educating me. this "cobra" you speak of, it is really impressive indeed. i have seen 560whp on the stock supra turbos. can the blower on the Cobra make this kind of power? you know, it helps to actually post a "supra-killer" capable of besting the supra.

high compression engines create more NOx (oxides of nitrogen for the chemistry impaired) and therefore pollute more. where'd you learn this wonderful tidbit of incorrect info? higher compression is FOR power, genius.

and yes, other than from an engineering standpoint, HP/L is a retarded measuring stick.

M3s get **** gas mileage because they have gears meant for performance, not gas mileage. even with 4.10s, you guys are still turning about half the rpms the stock M3 is in top gear. your stock gears sit just off idle at 65 mph. tell you what, race a stock M3 in top gear vs your stock Fbody in top gear. lets face it, your 6th gear is nearly useless for accelerating. i burned my friend's stock F-body with my stock SE-R racing top gear vs top gear. but i'll be the first to admit that thats a stupid race performed by stupid 18 year olds (been a long time since then).

 

Yes... give it a little longer time, and you will see... Goto SVTPERFORMANCE.com, if you do not believe me. There are people getting 500+ whp from intake, full exhaust, smaller pullys, chip+tune, and a ported blower. And that is going to be RELIABLE, run after run. Dont tell me your precious Supra would last for more than a few runs at that boost level with the stock supra turbos. Bahh.. I read the sites, and people are crying that 17-8 psi is the max if you want reliability. I DOUBT you will get 565 whp from that. Get outta here. Yea, maybe if you do some insane amount of boost, but then I can do that with the Cobra too... why not just lean the AF to 14.7, advance timing by 50 degrees, and run 20 lbs of boost. Sure, ill get 700 HP, but ill last what? 1 run?

I stand corrected, ***

Higher compression motors ARE for more power. I never said it wasnt, ***. I was stating the higher compression for a cleaner burn(not necessarily less pollutants,right? ). There are other factors that make performance, like the displacement, intake design, exhaust design, fuel, etc.

Which is my point... The "well engineered" engine will still need to use lots of GAS for the power it makes. You can't get free power.

 

I'm glad the f-body guys came through here to educate some of the many clueless Maxima owners. I don't know how many times I have had to correct people only to get my a$$ flamed bc their "arguments" have been completely rejected *cough*BOSS*cough*

JDM4LIFE good luck with the car dude...an F-body or foxbody 5.0 was one of the many cars I was considering b4 I got the Max. Just couldn't picture myself living with an F-body and the main reason I was getting another car was bc I needed a newer one so getting a foxbody wouldnt make sense. The difficulty in getting into and out of an f-body plus the horrible interior quality (everyone I sat in had a center armrest that was about to come off) turned me away from getting one...not to mention the useless backseat/trunk. But if you want a quick (13s) or fast (12s and under) car for cheap this is your choice..plus they handle really good too (contrary to most import owners' beliefs).

 

i stand corrected. 500whp is very impressive from mild bolt ons. now that i think about it, i remember that article in Mustang where they made pretty big power from an SVT mustang. i eat crow.

i doubt you will see 1000whp out of a stock bottom end Supercharged motor. maybe with turbos, but not with a supercharger. it takes power to make power with a supercharger, and the parasitic losses to make 1000whp are ridiculous. Turbos harness wasted energy. also, a roots type blower is horribly inneficient. the intake temps from the ~ 30psi required would be horrendous. that blower's effeciency is probably in the low 60s at the 500whp boost level. it would take a lot of nitrous to hit that. another thing to consider is they wont be revving to the 8000+rpm most 1000whp supra guys hit, so its going to take more torque to do it. i would like to see it though, that would be a sight to see. honestly, do you think the internals can take 1000whp?

i was there for SCC's Ultimate Street Car Challenge when a bolt on supra (I/DP/FMIC/Exhaust) made 449whp. all he did different from his street settings is up the boost. this was still through a cat too. considering people gain 70whp from an intake manifold alone, its not that hard to make the 30whp from a set of cams. I never saw the guy who made 565whp, but i dont doubt he did it. why is it so hard to believe you can make 565whp from 2 turbos @18 psi, when i made 438whp @20 psi with 2.0L of displacement, a stock intake manifold and 1 turbo?

and, when you said "If you care about pollution, then yea, maybe those ultra high compression engines are a little better, but we were mostly talking about PERFORMANCE, no?" it sure sounds like the only reason to bump compression is to pass smog. i am sure you meant "more complete burn" in your last post as well, as a cleaner burn would mean less pollutants.

so, can your car meet my previous challenge? can you hit 129mph in the 1/4? lets talk what we drive.

 

I believe the High powered 800+ whp Cobras were not using the stock eaton blower. They are terribly inefficient for topend HP, but you cant beat it for lowend torque.
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=11416
Check out that link... thats the stock blower + internals, and theres atleast another 50 whp left before switching power adders. Whats the difference between a 600 hp supra and an 800 hp supra? Nothing, they both run 11's. (something like that )
Look at that torque LINE(no curve)... its like a plateau!!! up until redline... so if you get rid of the rev limiter and let it goto 7.5k, im SURE it will have some beeeeefy HP numbers. The stock valve springs and retainers should be pretty beefy too, and should handle up to 7.xk. Ohhh... and the guy runs a 10.82 @ 129... it will definately be 130+ now. stock eaton, NO juice. 1/4 miles all about TQ baby. Unless you want to do a honda launch
Point me to where you saw that 565 whp supra with stock turbos.

I just got the car... give me a little while, and sure, 129 should be attainable. The mods for him to get to that level are relatively small. See above.

 

listen up son because I'm tired of wasting my time owning you

"by the way 1gencamaro you can suck my fu**in c*ck cause most of our dads dont pay for sh**, atleast mine doesnt and ive probaly worked harder in my life than your a$$ ever will, they are considered a 4 door sports car"
I worked my way up at a shop learning since I was 14...started as a sweeping ***** work doin shop boy, when my dad gave me my first car it was the camaro which he bought for $800 and as soon as I had the money I paid him back for it so that I could say it was mine and I paid for it to *****es like you. Then when I was 15 he gave me a '89 beige civic he bought for $200 I fixed the clutch, cv axle and did a major tune up...sold it for 1000 then I bought a '95 ford ranger for 1200 and this year my dad gave me his F150 and I'm paying the payments off that were left...I didnt want **** given to me because I'm an independant MAN son **** you and your 4 door driving clique. NOTHING with four doors was ever meant for streamlined performance. I'm 18 and more of a man than you'll ever be...it doesnt matter what you drive if you're an arrogant ******* that doesnt know **** than in the end you're still an arrogant ******* that doesnt know ****

clearly you suck at life...

 

impressive, only a 100 lb-ft difference between highest and lowest tq #'s. much better than the 250 lb-ft difference my motor sees. hey, its a plateau... above 4500 rpm, shoot. i dont think those hp #s will improve though, its peaking just before redline, so it will start to fall off after that without differently tuned runners on the intake manifold, head porting, bigger cams, etc. it will, however, probably make it faster in the 1/4 if you rev higher.

true about the 11 second supra. those things are mainly dyno queens and freeway warriors, impressive nonetheless. it only takes like 1000whp to run a 10.2@160mph or some crapola like that. mainly because most of their driver's dont care or are scared to drive the things that hard on slicks (i know i would, hell, im afraid of my car. stopping from 130+ mph with no chute and slicks on your primary braking wheels sucks)

i have no doubts about making 1000whp on a cobra motor, but i do have doubts about making 1000whp on a stock bottom end. supercharging is extremely stressful to internals, more so than turbos. to make 1000whp, the actual engine must make somewhere above 1200whp, 200 of which is wasted powering the blower.

gonna have to dig, its been a while...

keep us posted, if anything, post back here. i love that car. looks WAY better than my maxima (esp with the steelies on it) and WAY better than any mustang ever. looks better than those damned bathtubs...errr..f-bodies as well.

too bad they werent cheaper and the insurance was so horrendous on them... they didnt sell as well as they should though, i have seen many here deeply discounted for right about $30,000. not a bad deal, imho. too bad they still do the damned metric and standard bolt thing, why cant they just make up their damned minds!?

 

You do know that the 03/04 cobra has forged internals right? So there for there would be no need to change the bottom end. Thank you are dismissed

 

Why do you have your panties in such a bunch for? You are way too concerned with proving your masculinity on the internet.

 

because people with bull**** *** cars like to say **** like "well at least my dad doesnt buy me everthing" when they know their cars suck more

 

**** em they are ****ed that there parents hate them so they have to resort to personal attacks against you. They will never understand they are stuck in this F&F life style.

 

HOTSHTSR20: i am happy for you that you have a car with ***** i respect that. however remember this whole discussion started because some ignorant people made an all-encompassing statement about american muscle cars that was extremely biased and untrue. Keep firm in your mind that i simply chose a different path. I could have bought the same exact car (i never would) as you which is alot cheaper than mine, and invested what i have invested in my ta currently and been just as fast as you. however, i bought a more expensive car which has a higher ceiling for speed and handling. plus u drive a sentra. i could go out right now and buy a geo storm, juice it, gut it, slap some slicks on it and run 10's. it has been done, but that dosn't make it a good idea.

As i have stated before several times within this thread, there is always someone faster. in the case between you and me, its you. however, i would never drive you car even if i got it for free, but thats just me. also you are ragging on people for starting fires and you yourself have chosen to do the very same thing, so check yourself.

vsamoylov: please stop talking you make my head hurt.

ludacris: thank you for being respectful and level headed about this situation.

 

12.99 in a n/a isnt **** kid, maybe when you make it into the 11's and 10's maybe you could come to LS1TECH and be respected, I give props where props are due and you deserve nothing. like NEAL said with $3000 I could make a 2000 camaro run 11's, what could you do? Buy a bunch of stickers?

 

and for jebus sake hotshtsr20 look at your weak a$$ brakes. i sure as hell wouldn't roadrace with those brakes, that like hoping in a coffin.

 

No problem...a lot of the guys here hate anything that isn't a Nissan Maxima. They hate on Hondas bc they are Hondas they hate on domestics bc they are "unreliable pieces of ****". Other than a select few the org is just one big bandwagon.


Ahahaaha the two of you are just COMPLETELY FULL OF YOURSELVES, quit embarassing the level headed fbody guys out there with your lame comments.

 

yeah, so? its still going to need to support over 1200whp (hell, maybe even more, i havent figured out the math yet) to make 1000 at the wheels due to parasitic losses from the blower. i would love someone to prove me wrong, but as a soon to be graduate student in mechanical engineering, i doubt the internals will be able to withstand that kind of abuse. i dont think ANY stock bottom end can, import or domestic. just because something is forged, doesnt mean its invincible. i am sure there is some improvement in design required to hit the 1000whp mark, especially if youre revving to 6500-7000 rpm to make 1000whp. youre going to need to make even more Tq to make the same HP @ 7000 rpm as the supras do @ 8500 rpm. now, the reason the supras can do it is because they are revving to 8500 rpm or so. the reason they can rev that high is not just because they have the valvetrain to back it up, but they also have have a more favorable rod ratio for revving that high. pistons speeds are about the same on a supra revving to 8000 rpm as a mustang revving to 7000 rpm, this is just doing some math off the top of my head. if you want me to figure out the exact rod ratio and piston speeds, you better pay me to make it worth my while, engineering time doesnt come cheap anymore.

my car has forged internals, i guess that means itll make 1000whp before i need to upgrade it.

like i said earlier, prove me wrong, i would love to see it. i have my doubts. i am entitled to them arent i? or, do i need to go back to where i came from?

 

I'm not full of myself I just know the basics of if one thing is better than another, or what has more potential

 

So timeslips is the only way to judge whether a car is good or not? You have no grasp of what the basics are of judging one thing better than another. F-bodies have flaws and their primary pro is performance. The cons outweighed the pros so heavily that it got the damn model killed off due to sluggish sales...

 

i totally agree with you, there were some ingorant people posting here, on both sides. but, to each his own. dont know about higher ceiling for handling though, its hard to argue with a 2500lb stock curb weight. i may not be able to mount 305s on there, but 235s will fit stock with the right wheels, or 245s will fit with little fenderwork. F-bodies do handle really well, esp when you cage them, but on a tighter course, the heavier cars will be hard pressed to keep up with the lighter ones. when i last cornerweighted it, my car weighed in at 2610 with me and half a tank of gas in it. i was 1.2 seconds slower than a CRX per lap on my last outing, damned thing weighed in at 2035 with driver and only had 180whp.

btw, firebirds were my favorite car for a while, but reality just didnt allow that. CA insurance is expensive enough as it is. besides, my main love is road racing, and the SE-R is better suited to that for me, easier to drive at the limit and handles better. i have a lot of respect for those cars.

somone ran 10s in a geo? damn, thats cool. i saw a 12 second hyundai excel once, amusing little car.

dont know about starting fires though, no one was angry or cussing at me, at least that i know of. i didnt intend to anger anyone here, just refuting some incorrect info. if i offended anyone here, i humbly apologize.

 

1) Domestics ARE "unreliable pieces of ****"

2) look who's talkin