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Jesus christ BOSS please get a life. I have never attacked others personally, you have in basically every other post you ever made. I don't have to prove it either bc the org knows it and has grown tired of your flames too as they have said many times before. Second of all, THAT GUY ISNT AGREEING WITH YOU! NO ONE IS EVER ON YOUR SIDE STOP MANIPULATING POSTS TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THEY ARE! hahahahaha btw you bolding my name in all your flames agaisnt me is pretty ghey too...so you hate me online. That's great.

- I post.
- BOSS flames
- I lay out the facts
- BOSS claims his factpinions (domestic cars are **** bc I saw it on tv, maximas cannot go 450 miles per tank of gas anyone that says so is a moronic sheep, people in Asia copy the "Euro" style of modding cars ahahaha if i were to post that on jspek.com you would be the laughing stock of the whole board) as truth
- I lay out more FACTS to prove you wrong
- BOSS shuts up
- Thread ends
- BOSS stars a new search for any post I made to see if there is anything disagreeable with it and proceeds to flame me.

I have grown so sick and tired of your immaturity that you are the FIRST person to ever go on my block list. Knowing you, you will continue to flame me for no reason just to make yourself look e-cool or some ****. But I don't come on the org to deal with idiots like yourself and I have the maturity to end it, plus the other posters on the org will probably be happy to see an end to this as well. Have fun finding another person to track down and flame dude! Looks like a fun hobby! In your oh so wise words "good luck with your life, seeing your stupidity youre gonna need it"

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Anyway here's a pic of my best friend's primary 3rd gen...he has a 3.1 so he is extreeeemly slow but he's been saving up for an LS1 swap.

He has another black 91 TA in the driveway and he has 4 crosslace TA wheels waiting to go on that red one.

Edit: DrX your IROC was in BEAUTIFUL shape dude...

 

That is soooo true. I don't know how many people will talk **** about a car or some other subject as though they knew everything about it when in reality they have never had a real first hand experience with the topic at hand.

 

MaxxAddict:
while scrolling through this thread I noticed a trend: people all have opinions, yet they feel that their particular one is superior/more valid than anybody else's... thus they conclude that their take on an issue (such as this topic), is fact (or atleast closer to it than everyone else). Even though there are some that take a realistic view on the topic, I must say that your post sums up everything in the clearest and simplest form. If anyone fails to comprehend what you just said and continues to rant about whatever they feel is more right, then they prove to everyone that they are stuck in their own dream world where their opinion reigns supreme.


on a side note....

DrX: what engine/tranny did u have? did it have any mods? u're talking to a die-hard thirdgen owner... and that was one nice thirdgen!


BOSS:

I'm enjoying your little hissy fit... from the looks of this thread, you came out of nowhere to personally take a shot at Ludacris simply because he posted his .02 on the topic, he did nothing more than that...

Just to let you know, I'm the person he mentioned with the firebird... I've known him for the past 4 years and used to be as much of a domestic **** as anyone out there....
the only reason I'm not like that today is because, after many arguments defending american cars simply because they were american (in any topic... some where they deserved it, but several where they didn't), I grew up and realized that he had a more level head in terms of the automotive world than I did...

summing up this last paragraph: sure he has his own opinions and biases, but his viewpoint is a very reasonable one... one that showed enough validity to put a straight head on a flaming domestic **** such as myself.
so go ahead and have your little opinions...
I believe I've explained my viewpoint enough to think ur a troll....

 

hey karma, i just found out this viper gathering isn't really some small gathering. This is part of the Viper V-10 Nationals tour which means there are gonna be a host of vipers running in the 10's and a few in the nines by the looks of the records set at the last meet. its gonna be a crazy load of fast cars.

 

yea the lady i talked to at bb said their "reserved time" ends at 5pm.

just to be able to get dusted by a viper would be bad asz, then im going to tell everyone that i won, because because MAXIMAS ARE FASTER THAN F BODIES.

 

Haha thanks dude...BOSS probably decided to finally shut his a$$ up as usual bc he got owned once again.

 

People cannot declare their opinion more valid than another's. Opinions are not a valid argument. You can only argue with facts. I know that many people in this forum have tried to argue thier opinions, which is why it has been full of useless posts.

BTW guys, whoever said that a person who takes a car that run's 17's and make it run 14's accomplishes more than someone who takes a maxima and makes it run 14's is completely incorrect. Yeah, you put more money into your civic and made it fairly fast. Where you messed up is your starting platform. The guy who bought the maxima over the civic just saved himself time, money, hassle. Doing more work doesn't mean you accomplished more. Civics are not built for speed and you should have chosen something other than an economy car if you wanted great straight-line performance. People who do these types of things should have gone out and bought a car that is rear wheel drive and already has an engine with torque, if they are trying to build a sports car. A civic that run's 12's is only a civic on the outside. A civic that runs 14 compromises all the reasons why it was designed in the first place(reliability, fuel economy, practicality. If you wanted a car that runs with a camaro, why didn't you buy one in the first place? Bolt ons do more for a car that already has a good platform to begin with.

Anyone in this forum that calls a maxima a grocery getter is either mentally challenged, trying to aggravate maxima enthusiasts, or just doesn't know what they are talking about. A taurus is a grocery getter. The maxima is a big car, but is its light for a sedan, has a very potent engine (considered one the greatest V6's ever made), handles fairly well, is very reliable, and is offered with a manual transmission. Anyone who can find me a more sporty sedan with a V6 and a manual transmission?

 

lol ur ****ing halarious. ok well i'm goin to bed and i'll see u on saturday hoe.

p.s. the word around town is that were gonna have a sweet a$s early 90's 12 second hondoo mc civic on our hands. bring mr. slugger so we can take him out at the gate. we can't have any fast hondas buzzin around these parts. (he's front kentucky and he's packing a carbon fiber hood.)

 

2:09 am, go to sleep bish.

weight reduction,

im coming up there with my car completly stripped down to tires, engine, tranny, and steel chasis and whoop your azs

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=776885

155hp @ 1500 lbs

 

lol that thread is awesome. he touched up the roof with a saws all.

 

Honestly take a step back and re-read that. The EXACT same thing can be said about maximas. Christ, if you want to make a 4 door sedan go fast, a maxima really isnt the best option. It's FWD. It's great for what it is, but there is a reason why they didnt put a V8 in it, why it is FWD, etc.

Give it a rest.

 

 

Opinions are not a valid argument.




BTW I consider my Maxima a grocery getter. It's sporty for a grocery getter, but it's still a grocery getter. I don't think I'm mentally challenged either, but I don't think I could say the same about more than a few people in this thread.

 

I AGREE!!!

 

I really hope you are not talking about me, I have never argued using opinions. Only fact.

I'm the guy that said that and I have to disagree.

1. It's not as hard or expensive as you think to get a Honda to be a quick car.

2. They are the perfect platform to make mod. Hondas are cheap, plentiful, lightweight, have a VAST aftermarket, several engine swaps readily available, etc.

3. There is that one Dodge Caravan with a Turbo 2.2 I believe running 12s (?) does he not accomplish more than the Z28 that runs 12s that threw on some basic bolt-ons? If you race one of the two cars on the street and get completely burned who are you going to be more amazed by? This, I will admit is an opinion of mine but I am going to be more impressed by the guy in the Caravan that put in all the time, effort and ingenuity into building a fast car.

4. "A Civic that runs 12s is only a Civic on the outside"

I'm not sure what you mean by that. There are plenty of 12 second Civics that are daily drivers, plus if its only a Civic on the outside then it's an even better sleeper.

5. "A civic that runs 14 compromises all the reasons why it was designed in the first place(reliability, fuel economy, practicality."

Where did you get this information? A B18c(?) engine swap will get you 195 hp in a lightweight Civic hatch, thats more hp than us. Of course other things will be done but it's not going to affect liveabilty very much at all. Keep in mind there are SCed Maximas running in the 14s and they have completely compromised fuel economy.

6. "If you wanted a car that runs with a camaro, why didn't you buy one in the first place? Bolt ons do more for a car that already has a good platform to begin with."

...because not everyone wants the same car? Yeah you're right bolt-ons do more for a car that already has a good platform to begin with, the Maxima is not one of them. If you wanted a fast 4 door you should have bought a Pontiac GTP.

The Maxima is a grocery getter, no one cares how "fast" it is. It was designed to be a practical, fuel efficient, spacious, quiet and reliable 4 door FAMILY sedan with sporty intentions. Don't kid yourself into thinking its not a grocery getter..instead use it to your advantage

 

Completely agree with you!

 

305/auto

I never got around to modding it, just kept it stock. It was still a blast.

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but those are crap numbers. An M3 gets 333hp from only a 3.2 litre 6 cylinder, an S2000 240hp from only 2 litres, and NSX runs high 13's from a 3.2 litre 290 hp engine, and M5 gets 400hp from only 5 litres. The Camaro ONLY gets 325 from 5.7 litres of V-8 power while being matched by other 6 cylinders. The F-body and Pony muscle car engines are crap. Also, pushrod engines are crap. No refinement/smoothness, and they LOSE power on the top end. Don't believe it? Take your 325 hp Z28, and just try to overtake a 282 hp 540 6-speed and see what happens. I saw first hand from an 80 mph roll, and the 540 is a heavy car. Pushrod gives good low-end torque, and the hp advantage goes to the muscle cars there, but once you get rolling and hit the rpm's, they have no breathing and lose power. I will also take the exhaust note of a BMW V-8 any day. The M3, VW R32, and NSX also sound better too.

 

yeah, LT1 car. it was a major PITA. 4-6 hours is too long for one cam though, i can change mine out in about 15 minutes on a hot engine, neener neener neener.

tuning? ha!

JWT does that for $550, i got mine for $450 from another sr20forum member. engine management is a reprogrammed stock computer by JWT. you can switch to any program they have for $100. nice setup, just had to R&R 3 10mm bolts. Programmed with an optimized timing curve for 91 octane and turbo, 72 lb injectors, and a 92 Cobra MAF ($400 for both with a fuel rail). The MAF sees ALL air coming in, so there is no need to compensate for different boost, altitude, etc. Stock fuel pressure regulator. the turbo i hit that time on was $500, new. the manifold i got for $300, used. cams were $100 used. BOV was $150. the piping and exhaust cost me about $100 with silicon couplers (made it myself) and the intercooler was $300 on a group buy back in 2002. figure $200 in random parts (oil fittings, etc) and youre right at $2500.

of course i didnt mention my clutch, so you got me there, that was $200. oh, and 5 gallons of C16 @ $8.05/gallon (CA SUCKS).

this was done with a full interior, and my 2 amp, 2 sub system in the back.

neither did mine, but the version in japan did, so conversion to turbo was easy enough, just had to drill some holes in the block (not for the unsteady of hand, i tell you).

VERY impressive. i could only imagine the power out the hole. im jealous.

hey man, i live in SoCal, its EVERYWHERE! its good for a laugh though. i like to pose next to the car, big balla style, and have my friends take pictures of me next to an Accord GT-R type R buddy club with an unpainted body kit.

yeah, me too. thats why i got into this. now, of course i didnt compare ETs, i KNOW i will lose there, ****. nothing goes QUICKER than big cubes (and associated TQ) and RWD. faster, well, thats about the same all around. you are definetly one of the cooler muscle car guys around though, not one of the ones who spit every time they hear mention of a honda. congrats to a fast car for cheap though man, im jealous.

oh, and for the dude saying 12 second hondas are only civics on the outside, i hate to tell you, but a 12 second honda is factory reliable. why? because you can do it almost entirely on STOCK parts. its easy, take a CX model EG hatchback, put in a stock B18C5 with B16B cams/springs. run open exhaust. my friend hit a 12.9@101 with this setup, full interior. this is with 100% honda stamped parts.

or, you could swap in a K20A, the motor mounts and axles wont be stock, but everything else will be to run 12s. doesnt take much to make 2000 lbs hit 12s man.

 

And HOW MUCH do all of those cars cost vs what an F-body or standard domestic musclecar cost? You're missing the whole point. If I just want to go fast I'm not going to pay friggin $55k for an M3 or an even more ridiculous $90k for an NSX just so I can be a retarded HONDUH fanboy and talk mad shiz about how badazz my car is because it has lots of HP/L. The whole HP/L argument is so lame and stupid that even the Honda guys don't pull it much anymore. Yet here you are, a Maxima owner, pulling it on Maxima.org. Tis a sad sad day.

Dollar for dollar domestics still own and always will.

GM's 3800 series engine. Go drive one. You're wrong. It's just as refined and smooth as a lot of import engines.

An 80 ROLL?

Who the hell cares? In the 1/4 mile and away from a light low-end torque is what you need and that's what domestics give you better than any other car out there. If they want to open up the top-end on the car it's easy. There's zillions of dirt cheap mods out for the LT1/LS1 cars. You know they can put in any one of like a zillion cam grinds right?

Again, easily fixed by dirt cheap mods.

And what do all of those cars have in common? They all get beat by a cheap unrefined low-tech pushrod no top-end pretty much stock LT1 in the 1/4 mile for 1/10th the price. I'll take a SBC any day over those cars you mentioned. Ah yes...."simplicity engineering" at its finest. You don't need a ton of cams, a ton of valves, costly variable valve timing and variable manifold systems, and the tolerances and balancing to run 8-9k RPM if you just have displacement. That's a ton cheaper than all of that other junk.


Thank you for making the ORG a stupider place. Wow a whole 50 posts and you're talking smack to one of the most respected ORG members here. Should I just ban you now or ban you later? idiot!

 

Oh, so it's like that?

You will now start banning people because you don't agree with their statements?

Also, as you put it, "talking smack"? What does the # of posts have to do with anything? You are making a big mistake assuming that someone with 1 post knows less than you with over 5k. As far as I know, he could be a top-of-the-line auto mechanic/enthusiast who, believe it or not, might have experienced the potential and differences (in every aspect) of those cars first hand - that is, cars such as camaros, m3's, etc. etc. Now, I know he's most likely not a mechanic or anything of the above-mentioned, but you get the point - I hope.

 

Oh this thread is so exciting!

So in light of all this discussion, seriously, what intake/exhaust setup SHOULD i really get?

 

Actually he's one of the more level headed posters in this thread. Excuse me but you were pretty gaga over your maxima for some time.

The maxima isn't V8 powered but there are V8 powered FWD cars out there. Why does a car have to be V8 to be great?? I think those Buick turbo V6 guys do just fine.

Honestly? Your 68 Mustang is gonna be sweet. But you have to remember what chassis they dervived that from. NOT a performance car. I think your car will go fast in a straight line, but I believe it's gonna take some serious mods to get it to stop/handle even as well as a mild maxima. ie.. at least frt discs, all new suspension bushings/springs/shocks etc.... frame bracing etc......

 

If I think some people are being ignorant retards in this forum, polluting it with crap, confusing and misleading others, and in general making this place useless, then yes, I can ban them. The problem is that there's so damn many people like this here lately, I don't have the time to sort through it all, and I also don't care enough to even bother.

Eventually everything will "fix" itself one way or another.

Here's a good thread to read: Misinformation is rampant and destroys the credibility of Our Org

We should add to that: people that have very strong opinions about things they know nothing about.

 

First (being the mod in this forum), I'd like to say welcome to the F-body guys.

Second, I'm going to leave this thread open for a while because this is an example of what Jime was talking about. A whole bunch of poeple talking but ain't saying one word.

In order to become knowledgeable about things, you have to read and understand what it is your studying. Too many times people on this forum spout shyte and have no idea of what they're even talking about.

I'm glad the F-body guys came here to school some of you because this makes no sense to the living. Then you're proven wrong and all you guys can come back with is a personal attack. You guys will learn to be men one way or another.

Anyone wants to take a personal attack at me, don't even bother. I don't have time for kid buullshyte.


[4th Gen mods: I will close this thread so be cool for now]

 

Did I touch a truth nerve? Listen to your childish response. Who gives you permission to act like an idiot? I didn't insult you or call you any names, yet here you are showing off your IQ, great job. Ban me, life will go on. Is that how you deal with a differing opinion. Ohhh, please stop, you're banned. WEAK.

You don't care about an 80 roll? Yeah right, until you get smoked on the freeway and have to hang your head in shame. Anything can be fixed with "cheap easy mods". How about stock for stock, and mod for mod. That sounds more like an excuse than an opinioin.

This is the same V-8 they use in a $70,000 Cadillac, right? Does the $50,000 Vette not use it too? How do they stack up? A fully loaded SS Camaro was $35,000...not exactly cheap. 3800 series engines just don't stack up. Yeah they run smooth when new, but they run like crap with 80,000 miles on them. It's amazing how different a trade in GM with miles drives compared to a Japanese car. Which one of those 3800 series engines compare to the VQ? Or the Honda 3.0/3.2 which is also used in the TL? I don't see a single GM 6 cylinder engine offering anything close to the performance, gas mileage, refinement, and RELIABILITY of those engines. A SC'd Grand Prix with more power and displacement can't outrun a 3.5 Max, or the new 3.2TL. Same price range. Do we take an Impala or an Altima, Accord, or Camry? Which engine?

If you don't like the HP/L OPINION, then don't. Are you going to tell me that the 3.2L TL engine, or the engine in the G35/350Z isn't better than the 5.7L? I definetely say it is...and you don't have to like it. You can write that it isn't, ban me for saying it. The 5.7 has more power, but when you break down how efficiently the engine is making power, thus the HP/L statement, the 5.7L does a poor job.

The only thing I can agree with you is that yes, if you want to go fast in a straight line, get an American F-body or pony car, I never argued that they aren't a cheap thrill. You made a comment that they got 325 hp from those engines like it was making great power for 5.7 litres, and I just offered an opinion that it doesn't. The biggest point is that the Japanese are closing the gap more and more with N/A 6 cylinder engines...that DOHC has no advantage? B

 

"If you don't like the HP/L OPINION, then don't. Are you going to tell me that the 3.2L TL engine, or the engine in the G35/350Z isn't better than the 5.7L? I definetely say it is...and you don't have to like it. You can write that it isn't, ban me for saying it. The 5.7 has more power, but when you break down how efficiently the engine is making power, thus the HP/L statement, the 5.7L does a poor job."



You are a dumb ****. HP/L is a pointless argument. I drove a V6 camaro and it ran fine. Never had one problem with it. NOT ONE. So untill you have driven one for a 100,000 miles STFU. I have friends that drive forgin cars that have more problems than my F-Body. My mom has a BMW that has spent more time in the shop than my 1995 f-body. So untill you know the facts just dont post in this thread.

 

*riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiingggg* That sound means school is in session. Let the class begin. Abradic... you're first in line...

 

Dude, you have failed to disprove any of the above statement. Call me a dumbas*, but provide the proof with it otherwise it's pointless. Why is HP/L useless? A V-6 Camaro will run fine, and get beat by a 4-door Accord. A V-6 Camaro can't outhandle most sport sedans. A V-6 Camaro is using a 3.8L that gets beat by smaller displacement engines. A V-6 Camaro will cost you more money over 100,000 miles than a comparable Japanese car. Every car model has it's problems because it's a machine, and machines break. It's just that the Camaro has more than the average. Consumer reports has it, and you can search it on the net to see how reliability stacks up.

So educate me on which fact here is false. Another member who isn't smart enough to make a point without insults. Great! BTW, everyone here at the dealership is just laughing at all of us.

Once again, I think the American V-8 muscle cars offer a great cheap thrill...but it only goes fast in a straight line. Lot's off roll in the Camaros. I may not be out on a race course everyday, but coming into downtown on the Kennedy here in Chicago, there are enough corners on the highway to put away a musclecar with a good handling all around sports car/sedan.

 

i dont know, what if Yugo gets its shtuff together and comes up with an uber-car with their trademark PVC pipe shifter?

for making power, esp tq, there is no replacement for displacement which seems to be more common in domestic cars. you can get by displacement with technology, but it will only carry you so far, and those same things can be done to a larger engine and make even more power (unless the engine's stroke got so long you couldnt rev very high due to insane piston speeds, the QR25DE comes to mind here).

i would say there is NO replacement for HP/lb though, ever.

 

WTF does an 80 roll accomplish? Wow! You can push on the gas and go from a roll and shift twice!!!! Once if you are an autotragic!!!! You can endanger your lives even more by taking it up to even higher speeds than a stop!!!!!!

Besides, the camaro/firebird would just own you before you even reach speeds of 80 mph.

For the geniuses that keep on talking about straight line speed, do you think that these cars can't be made to handle? The word ignorant comes to mind. Wait a second, how does it go? You might be able to take me in a straight line but I'll get you in the twisties dawg! That's so true, RWD is horrible for handling. Plus, they dont even have suspension mods for domestic cars!!!

The HP/Liter argument is so freaking bogus. Wow! People can use technology to make more power!!!! V8s dont use as much technology so that means that they are inferior!!! They have no reason to. They don't have to rely on revving up to 8k like in an S2000 to reach peak power. Why should they have to rev up to the sky when they can make a broad and useable powerband that is reasonable?

You guys are a perfect example of what is wrong with this message board. If you are gonna argue, at least bring up valid points and arguments instead of using freaking opinions. Someone else pointed out something that I missed. You morons are even trying to correct DaveB.

You keep bringing up pushrods. Why? Are you talking about early 90s cars or something? To say that a LS1 powered F-Body has top end is pure ignorance.

And to anyone that feels that the sound of a large displacement v8 is crap

 

Well, since you asked for it. You, are a dumbas*. Why do you even bother bringing up a V-6 Camaro? It was built so that GM could make money off of high school and college girls, not to race 4 door Accords. It is a disgrace to the name of Camaro.

 

My Cobra with 4.10 gears, X-pipe, flows, and Steeda STS is faster than my '95 Maxima 5spd with a Vortech Supercharger at 10psi, full exhaust, pacesetter STS, CAI, and fuel tuning parts.

The Maxima was fun but the Cobra is 10 times funner. Breaking the rear end sideways on a 1-2 shift, letting off the gas and feeling the car jerk back to the right and back straight again is bad@ss. I get much more attention and respect with this car than with the Maxima. Sportline springs were recently added so it looks much better now too, hopefully ill post some pics in OT sometime soon.

I have yet to lose a race with the Cobra. When I was stock, I ran a Trans Am on the highway from an 80mph roll in the wrong gear and stayed neck and neck, and destroyed a Modded (LOUD) trans am from a dig not to long ago with my current mods.

Anyways, the only thing is the build quality is not up to par with the Max and the gas mileage sucks BAD. But I am soo glad I got this car and would not have it any other way now.

 

The thing you are missing in your grand scheme argument is that HP/L describes one thing and one thing ONLY.


HP/L = Top End

That's it. It says NOTHING about how "efficiently" the engine makes power. That's an idiotic RICER argument, but you're too arrogant to even realize it yet. Hey look a 200HP Honda V6 makes more HP/L than a 190HP Nissan engine of the same 3.0L displacement so the Honda engine must be making power "more efficiently" right?


Now, it's time for you to shut your mouth for a little while and then maybe you'll actually READ and THINK about what others are saying and the other points of view before just running your mouth of and saying that information from respected members of this forum "is crap".


The stupidity on the org has sunk to a new low. Get lost....

 

BTW I consider my Maxima a grocery getter. It's sporty for a grocery getter, but it's still a grocery getter. I don't think I'm mentally challenged either, but I don't think I could say the same about more than a few people in this thread. [/QUOTE]

You considering your max a grocery getter isn't the same as the person's statement I was refuting. I can be considered a "grocery getter" because it is a four door, family sedan. I guess I should have clarified what the other guy meant by grocery getter. I assumed that since he was insulting the maxima in the same comment his words were meant to offend. This is a weakness of communicating in forums, because your words are taken at face value, and it's difficult to explain them without hassle. This tread has become useless if everyone is just going to nitpick at everything. Let it go, I am

It depressing to see that many of you people are merely trying to "own" other people on this forum.

 

Making a maxima run 14's is like making a civic ex run 16's. I am fine with this. It's only a moderate increase in power. But yeah, a max is still fwd, and that is its greatest inhibitor of being a true sports car.

 

It's depressing to see so many closed-minded fools on this site that have no respect for anything except the car that they're driving.

 

I was done posting except I read this and couldn't allow for something as false as this to not be corrected. First of all, RWD is the BEST platform for handling. Here's why:

First, the drive wheels are not the wheels that steer. If you are in a high speed turn, and you understeer, throttle is useless with a front wheel drive car (will only make matters worse). In a rear wheel drive car, if you are understeering, you can use throttle to "kick" your back end around to level out the car, thus increasing the speed in which you can take the turn. In any application, RWD is the best for handling, plain and simple. The best handling cars in the world will either have a rear biased AWD system (ex nissan skyline), or RWD.

Horsepower/ltr isn't good arguable point, you are correct. However, pushrods are not the most efficient way to get the best "power" for a sports car. They are cheap, but they have their limitations: The reason why pushrod engines don't rev high is because pushrods are dependent upon gravity. When they go from their highest position, they have to fall (via gravity) back down to their lowest point. After a certain rpm, depending on the application, gravity cannot pull them down fast enough before they must go up again. The result: valve float (correct me if I am wrong on that being the term). Using components such as overhead cams, variable cams (ex VTEC), as well as cam phasing would allow a car such as the corvette to have the same amount of power with a smaller engine. Thus, the car will have a lower curb weight, better weight distribution, and a smoother, more fuel efficient engine. Take any pushrod motor, add overhead cams, cam phasing, and variable cams and you will have a more powerful, efficient motor, with a larger powerband everytime. This is why the new i-VTEC motors are so good at what they do.

Keep in mind, my terms of a performance car include handling, not just acceleration. The key to a great balance of this is acheived with a car that is light, has as close to a 50/50 weight distribution as possible, and a high powered, yet efficient engine.

 

I guess my sarcasm wasn't as clear as I thought it to be. I should have put the after the sarcasatic comment of RWD cars can't handle.

 

but, whether your spinning the fronts, or the backs, you are still losing time. "kicking" the back end around is the slow way around the track, also known as "drifting." this scrubs off enormous amounts of speed. you should be driving the car as nuetrally around the track as possible. whether its FWD or RWD, you still have your total section width of your tires to take you around the track.

also, if you have lots of traction in a RWD and you mash it around a corner, unless you break them loose, that car will plow right off the track.

now, FWD is, ultimately, not as good as RWD, but its not for the same reasons as everyone thinks. its mainly because of weight distribution and transfer.

and, with my SE-R's diff, when i am swinging wide, i can point the wheel farther into the corner, give it some gas, and it will pull me that way. or, if i am plowing too much (shouldnt happen in a properly balanced car, but it did so when i was stock) i could lift the throttle, unload the rear a little and bring it back into line. the whole point is to not get into that situation. i enter a corner a little faster than i do with RWD, scrub a little speed from dropping the throttle, and then power out of it. FWD just needs a different approach to driving fast.