rear sway bar question
06-23-2004, 08:01 PM
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06-23-2004, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JaTaN
thanks for the info but which should i get? why would i need to adjust the bar? i want it to reduce as much body roll as possible and make the car feel more stable. should i just get the stillen then. or can the progress bar do the same thing. ?
06-23-2004, 10:40 PM
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Progress or Addco work fine, but they are fixed and for the most part non-adjustable. The Stillen bar is adjustable which makes it easier to tune with various strut/shock/spring combinations. By relocating the trailing arm brackets, you effectively shorten or lengthen the "lever". Longer lever more torque, less roll. But be careful with this...over do it and you will find your rear end gets happy really quick and you'll see your Alteeza's overtake your Diamond Clears!
Another advantage to the Stillen design is the bushingless design. No rubber/poly to compress or flex means much quicker response.
All that said... My car is a daily driver, not an SCCA weekend warrior. I have a Progress from Cattman arriving tomorrow.
Another advantage to the Stillen design is the bushingless design. No rubber/poly to compress or flex means much quicker response.
All that said... My car is a daily driver, not an SCCA weekend warrior. I have a Progress from Cattman arriving tomorrow.
06-24-2004, 02:03 AM
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The Addco bar can also be adjusted by moving the brackets on the trailing arm forward or back. The Stillen bar brackets are known to hit the floor boards when the bar is set at full force. Addco doesn't have that issue.
They both work exactly the same.
The Stillen bar is polished Aluminum, costs 3x more and hangs under your car and gets dirty just like the Powder coated Addco bar does.
Get the Addco bar and with the money you save from not buying Stillen, mod something else.
They both work exactly the same.
The Stillen bar is polished Aluminum, costs 3x more and hangs under your car and gets dirty just like the Powder coated Addco bar does.
Get the Addco bar and with the money you save from not buying Stillen, mod something else.
06-24-2004, 05:23 AM
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yeah, Stillen is adjustable, but do you really plan on getting under your car each weekend, and play with the settings? unless you're a hardcore track junkie, i think you'd set it once, maybe twice, and leave it. might as well get addco/progress. plus, as tom said, addco/proggress are adjustable as well, just in a different way.
as for bushings issue - thats bs. the bushings are pretty small, so there is not much "flex" in them in the first place. and if you're really into "no bushings give a more immediate response" philosophy, might as well take out the rest of the bushings in the suspension - might give slight benefits on the perfect surface at the track, but driving on the street...
as for bushings issue - thats bs. the bushings are pretty small, so there is not much "flex" in them in the first place. and if you're really into "no bushings give a more immediate response" philosophy, might as well take out the rest of the bushings in the suspension - might give slight benefits on the perfect surface at the track, but driving on the street...
06-24-2004, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by dmBK
yeah, Stillen is adjustable, but do you really plan on getting under your car each weekend, and play with the settings? unless you're a hardcore track junkie, i think you'd set it once, maybe twice, and leave it. might as well get addco/progress. plus, as tom said, addco/proggress are adjustable as well, just in a different way.
as for bushings issue - thats bs. the bushings are pretty small, so there is not much "flex" in them in the first place. and if you're really into "no bushings give a more immediate response" philosophy, might as well take out the rest of the bushings in the suspension - might give slight benefits on the perfect surface at the track, but driving on the street...
as for bushings issue - thats bs. the bushings are pretty small, so there is not much "flex" in them in the first place. and if you're really into "no bushings give a more immediate response" philosophy, might as well take out the rest of the bushings in the suspension - might give slight benefits on the perfect surface at the track, but driving on the street...
I did say "Progress or Addco work fine, but they are fixed and for the most part non-adjustable." Yes you can play with the trailing arm mounts and adjust the levering force, but the bar has a fixed position the beam. You'll notice with the Stillen you can vary its position relative to the beam as well. Yep this is all for hard core tuners and weekend SCCA club racers who want to tweak the handling balance to the nth degree. Or those who like paying too much to get Stillen stickers.
The bushing issue is hardly bs. Steel is tough, but it still flexes. Rubber is soft and flexes alot. Poly and Poly/Carbon are somewhere in between. You remove the flexing of the bushings at the sway bar ends and things happen faster. It may only be a hundredth of a second difference, but its there. Again we are talking about the hard core tuners here. It might be interesting if someone were able to come up with a ball jointed solid link for our front sway bar, eliminating the bushings there.
Yep yer exactly right ...all this may give benefits at the track on a perfect surface, on the perfect day, which is why I got the Progress...
06-24-2004, 01:05 PM
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as for bushings issue - thats bs. the bushings are pretty small, so there is not much "flex" in them in the first place. and if you're really into "no bushings give a more immediate response" philosophy, might as well take out the rest of the bushings in the suspension - might give slight benefits on the perfect surface at the track, but driving on the street...
As far as the rear goes that's kinda what Nismo just came out with for the B15.
Nismo hard bushings for '02+
06-24-2004, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 99se5spd
anyone try cattman? they got a package with fstb and rsb for 300...kinda high though
Word to the wise. If its made of steel and you want one, what ever it is, and you find old stock at old prices, jump on it now. On average the new stuff will cost you 30% to %50 more in a few months.
06-24-2004, 07:15 PM
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i will order the bar tomorrow you guys have convinced me the progress is the way to go. the funny thing is my brother had all stillen on his max. there bar is really nice
06-25-2004, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Brudaddy
No need, unless you have a show car.
form follows function. if it is just as functional as the stillen i will get it and from what i have read it is. i am going to get it, thanks for the info guys. how hard is the install?
06-28-2004, 12:16 PM
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i have the still rsb, got it from the gd, and imade a hard right turn, and my buddy behind me told me, my cars RR wheel lifted 8' off the ground. it felt pretty awesome. i can take a turn at 45 mph. side note, tired squeel like a biotch.
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