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Old 12-14-2004 | 03:15 PM
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Hey guys iam wondering if a dealer sold you car and said it was clean had clean carfax and assures quality carfax is clean but car was hit hard and repainted everywhere can this be a case? also if car has marks on the bottom in same places from a frame machine and a paint meter wsint used when car was being purchased at a auction also if other cars he sells he may do odemeter fraud
Old 12-14-2004 | 03:20 PM
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Did he just tell you the carfax was clean? He should of printed one out to show you and if not, you should of asked for one. If it looked like it had been in an accident, but he told you it was clean without any hard evidence, why would you believe him?
Old 12-14-2004 | 03:22 PM
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Of course it can happen, the car may have gotten into an accident and they never made a report or it could be stolen with a different VIN#...

Odometer fraud is a federal crime... if hes trying to screw you over I'd report him...
Old 12-14-2004 | 03:35 PM
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car had signigicant damage and frame machien marks becuase the frame was pulled and he said it sperfect but carfax is clean can it be a case
Old 12-14-2004 | 03:37 PM
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carfax gets its information about accidents from insurance companies... if it was never reported to an insurance company, how could they be liable? On the other hand if that was not the case then you have a case... Find out more info on the car.. previous owner, blah blah and find out.
Old 12-14-2004 | 03:39 PM
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How can i find previous 2 owners?
Old 12-14-2004 | 03:40 PM
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ACtually not all the time. From what I see, carfax pulls their info from the State. And the state only sees information like if it was stolen, mislead mileage, totalled etc...

So this car could have had significant damage when it was newer and it would never show up on the carfax. (because it's value was still high enough not to totall it and show up on carfax)

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carfax gets its information about accidents from insurance companies... if it was never reported to an insurance company, how could they be liable? On the other hand if that was not the case then you have a case... Find out more info on the car.. previous owner, blah blah and find out.
Old 12-14-2004 | 03:43 PM
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I understand that but dealer has stickers all around his shop blah blah that cars are accident free and clean.... but this car had alot of damage and he did not tell me that it ws hit when he knows since hes int he buisness for a while and shoudl of used a paint meter...
Old 12-14-2004 | 03:46 PM
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ACtually not all the time. From what I see, carfax pulls their info from the State. And the state only sees information like if it was stolen, mislead mileage, totalled etc...

So this car could have had significant damage when it was newer and it would never show up on the carfax. (because it's value was still high enough not to totall it and show up on carfax)
Gotcha... weird part is, I can almost guarantee my car was stolen but it never showed up.. I have a salvage title, I bought it with a front and rear conversion leading me to believe it was crashed or stripped, seats were also changed from a newer year, door shows signs of tampering... the top is scratched up and rubber gasket is broken as if someone stuck a piece of metal or rod to unlock it and the bottom of the car is scrapped up.. like they left the car with no rims in the street... I took off my rear seat when installing my system and found shards of glass leading me to believe one of the rear windows was shattered

I never found that out for sure, atleast not through carfax.. just on instinct
Old 12-14-2004 | 03:50 PM
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Ye but i deffinatly want to make this a case plus i know this dealer rebuilds cars and does odometer fraud just kinda no way of catching him
Old 12-14-2004 | 05:22 PM
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I know one dealer that rebuilds cars, I have always suspected odometer fraud but can't verify. But he is honest enought to say the car was in an accident and was fixed up. If I was you I'd complain to the better business bureau or maybe contact a lawyer who's experienced in this kinds of matters. If true they can shut him down... hopefully.

One thing I can say, if you suspect you car was previously stolen and with all those clues you found, it most likey was stolen. I bet you got a nice deal on that car didn't you?
Old 12-14-2004 | 05:26 PM
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Old 12-14-2004 | 05:28 PM
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Wow, delaerships seem to get more and more crooked as the days pass.

If you know it has been in an accident before then get proof of that and keep that, get as much proof as you can to prove what you need proved, and take it to a lawyer BBB, who ever and make a case and get them shut down, because sadly not everyone has an org to go to, or just the knowlege to tell that has been in an accident or anything and so they go on not knowing and maybe encounter all kinds of problems down the line.

Shut them Down.
Old 12-14-2004 | 05:30 PM
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Well i want to get compensensation for it nto only shut him down i want to contact him privaltely and tell him then if he says noo il jsu conctact a lawyer
Old 12-14-2004 | 05:52 PM
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I doubt you will compensation for it. Its not like normal accident type situation where it was his fault and he would pay you for the repairs. The repairs have been made and likely the insurance company will say "well its already been fixed, so what are you exactly asking for?" Unless you can prove it was in an accident before you bought it AND that he lied to about it not being in an accident, then sorry to say you might not be able to do much.
Old 12-14-2004 | 06:01 PM
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I almost can gurantee you he fixed it himself then sold it anyway i wanan **** OVER HIS BUISNESS
Old 12-14-2004 | 06:21 PM
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i noticed you live in MD, where did you buy the car?
Old 12-14-2004 | 06:24 PM
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Old 12-14-2004 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MDeezy
Wow, delaerships seem to get more and more crooked as the days pass.
They dont call them stealerships for nothing.
Old 12-14-2004 | 06:38 PM
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They dont call them stealerships for nothing.
thats for sure, I'm glad I can fix most my problems myself, (with some help of the org).
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