hey guys,
So i was gonna do a 5sp swap but then i realized i really dont have the money to do so. So i was thinking maybe a VB/tranny cooler combo since it is significantly less money.
I know i should probly jus save money up and then do the swap, but driving an auto is jus easier some times and i dont mind the fact that im not shifting. I have another max thats a manual--->i can drive that if i feel like shifting.
Anyway to my question...i have read that doing this can take off .4 on the quater mile time. Has anyone who has done this mod found that to be true? Also stock for stock .4 (maybe its more) is more or so the difference between an auto 4thgen and a manual....so i was think with this mod would a stock auto keep up with a stock manual?
Im not stock i was jus wondering

 

i would do a vb mod, upgraded torque converter, and a tranny cooler. that would make you shift as well as a 5 spd... or so i have heard , plus, you cant mess up shifting in an automatic

 

Yeah u said pretty much exactly what im think(glad to know im not the only one) BUT also u said "or so i have heard" wich is where im at.
So once again if anyone knows for sure if what is stated above is true or not....please comment

 

the VB mod is def the best mod for the auto, but im still converting to 5 speed. ive had the vb mod for about a year now, and while it does make the auto much more fun to drive, it still leaves something to be desired. i can tell you the vb sure as heck doesnt take .4 off quarter mile. maybe .2 if you're lucky. i raced a bone stock 5 speed max and i had vb mod, y-pipe and intake and it was very close, but the 5 speed still had me. 5 speed ownz.

 

VB + TC = ~ same price as 5spd conversion.

The whole misconception of VB vs 5spd has a lot of misinformation here.

VB quicken shifts, usually doesn't result in quicker times, but longer tranny life because of less slipage and this is the main concern/idea/theory behind the mod, or at least it should be.

The reason the 4g 5spd is faster than the auto is simply put, more aggressive gearing, hence why it has one more forward gear.

It doesn't matter how well you shift, matters more when .. this is related to gear ratios and how well they complement the power band.

3.5L and 6spd are a fine example of this. The times between the 2 aren't horribly different due to the big torque grunt down low, and this is considering the 6spd has 2 more instead of just one more gear.

When in the 3.0L, it's big TQ bite is just not there, or at least not as much, and that's why the auto/manual times differ so greatly in the 4g 3L. Again, all relative to how well the gear ratios compliment the powerband.

 

Both mods make the car more fun to drive, not faster. It really all comes down to the driver. Anyway, I love my VB mod. If I could do it again, maybe I would have down the 5sp convertion. Make your decision based on what you want it for.

...and a VB/TC is by far cheaper than a 5sp conversion. I paid under $500 for my VB/TC installed, where then 5sp tranny alone would have cost me that.

 

I like to know where you can get the VB and TC installed for the same price as 5SPD Conver. I would love to get a 5SPD instead of VB mod.

 

Typically
TC = 4-600
VB = 400
~ = approximately.

If you're efficient when you source the 5spd swap parts, you should be fine.

That's if you do it on your own no labor costs.

 

Go 5 speed... thats what I wanna do.

 

IMO It be best in the long run rather than having the reduction in everyday driveablility with the TC, and also still losing 3-5% in the tranny.

 

VB and TC installed for 700 bucks.

5 SPD Tranny cost about 400-800 depense on the mileage. Only problem is the labor, I can't do it my self. Labor is the killer.

 

Is that a typical price?

What's your stall speed now?

 

oops...I meant TC = tranny cooler

i think you meant tc = tourque converter

my bad. i wouldn't do the torque converter due to everyday driving.

 

Seems as if I had a misconceptoin on the price of a perf. auto. so then

Back to the original post since he said
No.


No.

 

NO stalls, I don't what you mean. That's good price, by Http://www.maximumtuning.net/. you should check it out....

 

No prob ...

 

That's where my 5.5g VB came from.

 

oh ok.... so how much you paid?

 

600, then send your old one back and get 200. Total = 400 unistalled
EZ install though.

Stall speed is when the engine/tranny engage, almost like when you engage a clutch.

Simply put

"the torque converter's stall speed roughly equates to the clutch engagement point on a manual transmission. Let's say you're driving your stick-shift car around town. Normally, you'd give the car a little gas and ease off the clutch pedal gently enough to get a smooth start. Likewise, under most driving conditions the torque converter will start delivering power to the transmission at relatively low engine RPM" Credit

But for performance oriented ppl, it's a bit different.

 

iam goin for the vb modd my self getting it done by http://www.maximumtuning.net/
been lookin to do the 5sp swap but its to much $$ as far as i heard the vb modd is supose to be a very good modd from what i heard from people who got it done.