Whats better? A Supercharger, or a Turbo
10-16-2006, 05:46 PM
#1
Whats better? A Supercharger, or a Turbo
Im thinking seriously about boosting my max, but im not sure whats better. I want the most power for the best price. Also what is the best turbocharger out there for my 98?
10-16-2006, 05:53 PM
#2
10-16-2006, 06:29 PM
#5
it all depends...ultimately a turbo will provide u the most power....supercharger will usually be more reliable less gizmos and issues....but also takes hp to make hp....it really all depends on ur goals..u want a highway star go turbo...u want almost instant boost and a lil more pep for the street go supercharger....turbo is alot more custom work...u need to research more
10-16-2006, 07:34 PM
#9
Originally Posted by JClaw
Turbo = more power, more lag
SC = less power, no lag
SC is linear and more like driving a ridiculously powerful NA car with a funny whine.
SC = less power, no lag
SC is linear and more like driving a ridiculously powerful NA car with a funny whine.
....Unless you get a super-small, super-quick-spooling turbo, like a GT28RS. That would make more power than a supercharger everywhere but the absolute bottom of the rev range (1500 and under).
10-16-2006, 07:40 PM
#10
Originally Posted by d00df00d
Exactly.
....Unless you get a super-small, super-quick-spooling turbo, like a GT28RS. That would make more power than a supercharger everywhere but the absolute bottom of the rev range (1500 and under).
....Unless you get a super-small, super-quick-spooling turbo, like a GT28RS. That would make more power than a supercharger everywhere but the absolute bottom of the rev range (1500 and under).
or if someone twin turbo's their car, and has a functional sequential setup.
10-16-2006, 07:53 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by MDeezy
or if someone twin turbo's their car, and has a functional sequential setup.
Normally a turbo will make more power, but this is peak power and none of it is available down low. Turbos are also a little more finikey.
A supercharger is more consistant and relyable throughout the power band, although they are known to lack the up-top power as a turbo (but a set of cams can fix that). And they are less prone to detonation (their power is directly tied to RPMs). And you can make a decent amout of power with a supercharger (why do you think all the top fuel guys use them?) by swaping out the pully.
That being said there is nothing sexier than a blow off valve.
10-16-2006, 09:27 PM
#12
well i know about the lag and everything, but wouldnt the boost at lower rpms from a supercharger only matter in first gear if im dragging? Im going to start my engine rebuild soon and im going to bore out my VQ, but after its all redone, i wanna boost it. I am just lost on whats best.
10-16-2006, 09:43 PM
#13
do some research, read a lot in the all motor and s/c t/c sections, also do some google searches.
I wonder what percentage of noobies ask this question? and how many actually follow thru with their plans..in less than a year..
I wonder what percentage of noobies ask this question? and how many actually follow thru with their plans..in less than a year..
10-16-2006, 09:46 PM
#14
Well i have the money and i am going to go through with the install. I was just wondering what was better. I have researched and still just bounce back and forth on what seems better. I definitely feel that my max should be supercharged over a turbo but from dynos ive looked at and from what others have said im stuck in the middle.
10-16-2006, 09:53 PM
#15
go s/c, talk to matty and get his starter kit. then upgrade clutch and exhaust. but look at the stickies in the s/c t/c section. I may be wrong but I believe you can s/c for somewhere around $2200??? that is just price for s/c and the components(the cheap way), not clutch and exhaust easy. If you dont go the cheap route for all that you are talking about doing...rebuild engine, bore stuff out..which means u have to buy bigger pistons? s/c & kit, clutch, full exhaust..you are talking prolly like 5gs or something man..oh and labor for all that if you arent doing it..are you lowered? wheels? upgrade brakes? like bbk?? there is a lot to think about man. GL with your decission!
10-16-2006, 09:54 PM
#16
Originally Posted by illCaptain
Normally a turbo will make more power, but this is peak power and none of it is available down low.
10-16-2006, 09:59 PM
#17
PFI disagrees with you (unless by "down low" you mean below 1500 rpm). Their turbo kit made more power at 4 psi than the Stillen supercharger kit did at 8 psi -- across the entire rev range.
10-16-2006, 10:04 PM
#18
Originally Posted by matts95max
go s/c, talk to matty and get his starter kit. then upgrade clutch and exhaust. but look at the stickies in the s/c t/c section. I may be wrong but I believe you can s/c for somewhere around $2200??? that is just price for s/c and the components(the cheap way), not clutch and exhaust easy. If you dont go the cheap route for all that you are talking about doing...rebuild engine, bore stuff out..which means u have to buy bigger pistons? s/c & kit, clutch, full exhaust..you are talking prolly like 5gs or something man..oh and labor for all that if you arent doing it..are you lowered? wheels? upgrade brakes? like bbk?? there is a lot to think about man. GL with your decission!
dont have to build the engine up, but if you want to put down a lot of power it could be a good idea. Hal was pushing about 500hp on stock internals, no upgrading at all.
saves a lot of money
10-17-2006, 08:53 PM
#31
Don't forget heat . A turbo causes a lot more heat soak under the hood. If you live in a hot climate it's even worse.
A SC is more user friendly, much more set it and forget it. A turbo requires too much adjustments etc.
Of course this presupposes one spends the $$ and time to set up everything the right way with no corners cut.
The whole idea of a daily driver is reliability not headaches.
A SC is more user friendly, much more set it and forget it. A turbo requires too much adjustments etc.
Of course this presupposes one spends the $$ and time to set up everything the right way with no corners cut.
The whole idea of a daily driver is reliability not headaches.
10-17-2006, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by timmyp34
just to throw sumthing in!
why not do both? is it even poss?
or would it jst wear out the engine
why not do both? is it even poss?
or would it jst wear out the engine
you could do that theoreticly. i believe it was done in the early 80's and done by one company i cant think of and i know nissan dabbled in it for alittle bit. it has recently been picked back up by VW being called the Twin Charger. The reason why i know all this is a friend and i thought of the idea, started reasearching on how to do it. but found out we were 26 years to late lol.
10-17-2006, 09:14 PM
#34
there was a car that had both
The March Superturbo R was commonly used in the All-Japan Rally Championship It was fitted with both a Supercharger and Turbo-charger system - Double Charge. It was equipped with a five-speed close-ratio syncromeshed gearbox. The interior has been stripped and equipped with a factory-fitted rollcage.
Production started in 1988 and ended in 1991.
Form and E‐EK‐10FR. Engine: Nissan MA MA09ERT
Displacement: 930cc OHC x rally classification
The engine size enabled this car to race in the 1.4 and 1.6 litre classes, depending on class rules.
The March Superturbo R was commonly used in the All-Japan Rally Championship It was fitted with both a Supercharger and Turbo-charger system - Double Charge. It was equipped with a five-speed close-ratio syncromeshed gearbox. The interior has been stripped and equipped with a factory-fitted rollcage.
Production started in 1988 and ended in 1991.
Form and E‐EK‐10FR. Engine: Nissan MA MA09ERT
Displacement: 930cc OHC x rally classification
The engine size enabled this car to race in the 1.4 and 1.6 litre classes, depending on class rules.
10-18-2006, 07:33 AM
#38
Extremely good point.. If your serious about boosting your max, and money is not an issue, AND your even asking this question, unless you think you could go without your car for 2 weeks and be ok, get a second car (max maybe). Because once you start dumping money into pushing your car to its limits, it could take a crap on you right when you just put your last $800 into a brake kit or something. Then your F'ed Renting a car for 2 weeks at $50/day = $750 + tax and bullcrap. Would be worthing springing the extra grand and getting a high milage, stock, reliable 4th gen as a backup.
I remember when I wanted to boost my max back when I was kinda new to the forums. I was trying to decide on sc or turbo. Then I realized in my search for that answer, that everyone I read about that had either sc or turbo, also had reliability problems, which is totaly understandable and there is almost no way around it.
Just remember, a lot of the guys on these forums that are boosted and are pushing their maxi pads too their limits, also work at a auto repair shop, or their family owns one. So if their max takes a crap on them, they get it towed probably for free.. to the place they work! Then fix it and drive it home the same day. For us on the other hand.. our car takes a crap, we pay $125 to tow, then the shop we take it to says they need today to diagnose it, then 4 business days for the parts to get in, then 2 days to fix it blah blah. Or tow it to your house while you try to fix it, depending on your tools and knowledge and availability of your car guru buddies, who knows how long it could take.
I remember when I wanted to boost my max back when I was kinda new to the forums. I was trying to decide on sc or turbo. Then I realized in my search for that answer, that everyone I read about that had either sc or turbo, also had reliability problems, which is totaly understandable and there is almost no way around it.
Just remember, a lot of the guys on these forums that are boosted and are pushing their maxi pads too their limits, also work at a auto repair shop, or their family owns one. So if their max takes a crap on them, they get it towed probably for free.. to the place they work! Then fix it and drive it home the same day. For us on the other hand.. our car takes a crap, we pay $125 to tow, then the shop we take it to says they need today to diagnose it, then 4 business days for the parts to get in, then 2 days to fix it blah blah. Or tow it to your house while you try to fix it, depending on your tools and knowledge and availability of your car guru buddies, who knows how long it could take.
Originally Posted by i30krab
Don't forget heat . A turbo causes a lot more heat soak under the hood. If you live in a hot climate it's even worse.
A SC is more user friendly, much more set it and forget it. A turbo requires too much adjustments etc.
Of course this presupposes one spends the $$ and time to set up everything the right way with no corners cut.
The whole idea of a daily driver is reliability not headaches.
A SC is more user friendly, much more set it and forget it. A turbo requires too much adjustments etc.
Of course this presupposes one spends the $$ and time to set up everything the right way with no corners cut.
The whole idea of a daily driver is reliability not headaches.
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