hey guys. i know there is a group deal on PBR/Axxis Metal Masters and lots of people have them. im not too familiar with brakes. I bought a set of these from the group deal and just wanna know what you guys thought of them.

please comment of braking bite, feel, fade, dust and noise. Also, do they take long to warm up, most of my drives are fairly short < 10 miles. I dont drive very hard anymore and never road race. Just spirited driving on highways when traffic is light.

i was very suprised to find very little using search..

 

hmm. no ones used these or what?

 

bumppp

 

Nice pads, eats rotors, need more pedal pressure to stop the car, long warm up, not very grabby, but they don't fade when you beat on them.

For a daily driver, go more organic. Wagner Thermal Quiets are excellent pads.

 

i disagree. mm are all i've used for the last 10 years and i don't plan on switching. bite is rediculous even when cold. dust and noise (particularly when cold) are the cons.

 

I had them, you'll be happy. Who's got the website w/the brake pad reviews?
Dr J

 

whats hte warm up time on these brakes. like 2 to 3 stops from 30-0mph.???.. ive got about 3 turns and 6 lights to pass before i hit the freeway i use the most.. this enough time to warm them up if say i get caught at half of them.

 

....but they don't fade when you beat on them.

Exactly why I bought them, but mine grab like a **** when paired up with my Z32 bbk.

 

http://maxmods.dyndns.org/index.php?MaximaBrakePads

 

just finished the install yesterday.put about 50 miles on the new brakes..my buddy broke them in for me.. We used the shims that came with the pads, threw away factory shims b/c they were beat. we also used silicone grease whereits spose to be used. they do not squeal under normal braking for me. I did hear a slight whirling sound if im just barely applying brake pressure and the car is moving very slow. im hoping this goes away after a week. the brake fee isnt as numb as the quiet stops. i think people call his modulation or something. overall im pretty happy so far.
ill post again after a week or so on these.

i saw some extra dust already..boo!!

 

Yours came with shims? I've never gotten a set of pads w/shims... Always had to go back to the dealer for them. Hmm.

Yeah you trade a lil dust for a buncha performance. Fair trade.

Dr J

 

i have new rotors to go with the pads, the pads are definately smaller than the normal pads and im getting a noticable sized mini circle on the rotor. i guess it will help me tell how fast these pads do or dont eat up the rotor.

thurz night- my bad. i did use the factory shims on the pbr's, i bought some auto zone semi metallics (duralst gold) on the rears that came with shims that we used. either way, no sceech or squealing.

im kinda worried that since these pads are smaller than normal sized pads for our cars they will heat up to faster. its less surface area to dissipitate heat. but you guys seem to be saying they dont fade so thats good.

 

I go through pads as fast as I go through tires, and that's about once a year, 20-25k miles. I remember I had 1 set that were "underhang" as you mention... the pad didn't sweep the full rotor surface. Never caused a problem, so I didn't think much about it.

Dr J

 

25k per set of pads and tires. geez. that sounds expensive.

anyway, did you have any problems with the uneven wear on the rotor b/c of the smaller pad size when you changed to a larger pad size. since a part of the new pad is sittin on a less worn part of the rotor, it cant make efficient contact with the full surface of the pad, cause the majority is more worn/shallower?

 

I put on NEW ROTORS and PADS for these. I gave it a try and they are amazing. They dust a lot, especially in the front (obviously) and they've worn down kinda quick. Mind you the compromise of having much greater feel and in every day tough traffic has given me confidence in my car in terms of stopping. I paired them with brembo blanks.

I've just ordered some MM to redo and will put them on again. I like the feel, no squeeks, fades or any problems at all. I'm satisfied and think it's a BIG STEP over OEM.


Good luck.

 

hi-po street pads and sticky tires make for expensive hobby.

I always get my rotors turned when changing pads. It grinds down the "lip" that the smaller pad developed on the rotor. I've read that it's not a good idea to get rotors resurfaced and changing pads at the same time. Well, it's what I've been doing.

This's when I used Hawk HP Plus pads. You can see on the outter edges, the dark and light spots. I'm still not sure why this happened. I got nasty vibration towards the end of pad life. I'm guessing the high friction compound caused the rotor to heat up too fast, creating hotspots. Also, since I used these pads for daily driving too, I'm sure I heated up the pads sufficiently and stopped at stoplights, amplifying the hot spots. But all this's hypothetical.


Dr J

 

axis pads are a POS when it comes to dust. I had to tell the mommies in my courtyard to not have the kids play while I used to wash my car. I used to put a mask to not injest the terrible dust it put on the wheel covers...

Terrible is the only word I would use. I have put Raybestos ceramics and very very happy... There is a saying "old is gold" that definetly applies to Raybestos, they know what they are doing. The other small companies run from a garage etc... no gaurantee...

 

dust and noise are part of the trade off using semi-metallic pads. comparing semi-metallic to ceramic isn't fair either, and i don't know A brake pad company that operates out of a garage.

your opinion is your opinion, but lets keep the facts straight.

 

I had Axxis Ceramics and I have to add ceramics thro dust no less than semi-metallic (as some say organic) pads. It was the worst I ever put on my fronts, the dust was unbearable. Now don't get into the discussion about the right way to do the break-in jargon.. I have heard a lot about unknow brake pad companies.

Stick with Raybestos ceramics and you won't go wrong...

 

i will have to admit that i liked my quietstops from raybestos very much. they didnt make any noise, if they dusted, it wasnt very visible, or its the type that doesnt stick to my wheels. stoping power was fine, just the brake feel was a bit numb.

 

If the Raybestos don't "dust", where do the brake material particles go?

Dr J

 

I bet they do dust but not as much as the axxis pads. Also, the Raybestos brake dust for some reason don't stick to the wheel or the cover plate unlike the axxis brake dust would stick and make a mess.

 

Is there a coating that can be applied to wheels to repel dust? Like Behold furniture spray repels dust.

I used to use quick detailer spray on clean wheels, and I think it had a wax-like property. It would make cleaning the wheel easier, but wouldn't repel dust.

Dr J