5th gen 5spd hardware in 4th gen?
05-07-2008, 09:23 PM
#1
5th gen 5spd hardware in 4th gen?
i couldnt find a straight answer.. i was hoping someone could clarify if the 5 spd pedals, shift rods etc are the same as 00-01's?? thanks guys
05-07-2008, 09:46 PM
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as far as I know everything is the same in the (2000-2001) transmissions to the 4th gens except for the axles. In other words... You can put the 5gen VQ30's tranni in the 4th gen but you just need to change out the 4th gen axles for 5th gens.
05-08-2008, 08:38 AM
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05-08-2008, 10:22 AM
#7
Not to sure what you are asking but it is possible to throw a 6speed into a fourth gen. You don't necessarily have to have deep pockets. It has been done by a few members. Just not as easy as doing a 5 speed swap. 6 speeds are cable driven, tranny mount must be modified, blah, blah, blah,etc, etc........
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05-08-2008, 10:33 AM
#8
The difference is the length of the striking rod which will cause the shifter to sit about 1" further back if you use a 5th gen trans in a 4th gen.
The axles are exactly the same. If you get a 2001 VLSD trans, the driver's side axle is different, but that has nothing to do with the year that it's from. 95-2001 open diff axles are the same, and 95-99 and 2001 VLSD driver's side axles are the same. You just need to know if you have VLSD or not in your new trans (there was no VLSD offered in 2000).
I say this from experience. I have had two 5th gen transmissions in my 4th gen (in addition of course to the stok 4th gen transmission I had in there and another 4th gen transmission which I broke.)
The shift rod is the same.
Not sure what you mean about the pedals, pedals have nothing to do with the trans.
Last edited by Nealoc187; 05-08-2008 at 10:35 AM.
05-08-2008, 10:41 AM
#9
To add to what Neal just stated. Not sure if anyone else has had this issue but, when I used a fifth gen trans with fourth gen rod's, I had both rods rubbing against each other making it difficult to change gears. A set of washers gave it enough clearance room.
05-08-2008, 12:36 PM
#10
thanks for the responses.. i asked about the pedals because im doing a 5spd swap and wasnt sure if they were different too..
but ill try and get my hand on a set of 5th gen shift and control rods im assuming from what you guys are telling me..?
but ill try and get my hand on a set of 5th gen shift and control rods im assuming from what you guys are telling me..?
05-09-2008, 03:56 AM
#14
Actually, the one piece I know is different between the two trannys is the yoke on the striking rod. It's longer on the 4th gen, which explains why putting in a 5th gen pushes the shift **** back. Drive out the roll pins and change them.*
*Well, most of the time I have to have it separate from the tranny and put the rod/yoke in the press to get them apart. On-car, a gear puller should work. Lotta stick in between those pieces.
You can buy just that yoke and rubber boot from Nissan for a reasonable price. If you have an 00-01 tranny, In fact I might have a couple of spare striking rod yokes laying around.
*Well, most of the time I have to have it separate from the tranny and put the rod/yoke in the press to get them apart. On-car, a gear puller should work. Lotta stick in between those pieces.
You can buy just that yoke and rubber boot from Nissan for a reasonable price. If you have an 00-01 tranny, In fact I might have a couple of spare striking rod yokes laying around.
05-09-2008, 07:37 PM
#15
Actually, the one piece I know is different between the two trannys is the yoke on the striking rod. It's longer on the 4th gen, which explains why putting in a 5th gen pushes the shift **** back. Drive out the roll pins and change them.*
*Well, most of the time I have to have it separate from the tranny and put the rod/yoke in the press to get them apart. On-car, a gear puller should work. Lotta stick in between those pieces.
You can buy just that yoke and rubber boot from Nissan for a reasonable price. If you have an 00-01 tranny, In fact I might have a couple of spare striking rod yokes laying around.
*Well, most of the time I have to have it separate from the tranny and put the rod/yoke in the press to get them apart. On-car, a gear puller should work. Lotta stick in between those pieces.
You can buy just that yoke and rubber boot from Nissan for a reasonable price. If you have an 00-01 tranny, In fact I might have a couple of spare striking rod yokes laying around.
Easy way to separate them (at least the few that I removed) was to hit the yoke with a torch, a little heat to expand it and what was initially stuck and impossible to move at all came right off.
05-10-2008, 04:06 PM
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That's not correct at all.
The difference is the length of the striking rod which will cause the shifter to sit about 1" further back if you use a 5th gen trans in a 4th gen.
The axles are exactly the same. If you get a 2001 VLSD trans, the driver's side axle is different, but that has nothing to do with the year that it's from. 95-2001 open diff axles are the same, and 95-99 and 2001 VLSD driver's side axles are the same. You just need to know if you have VLSD or not in your new trans (there was no VLSD offered in 2000).
I say this from experience. I have had two 5th gen transmissions in my 4th gen (in addition of course to the stok 4th gen transmission I had in there and another 4th gen transmission which I broke.)
The shift rod is the same.
Not sure what you mean about the pedals, pedals have nothing to do with the trans.
The difference is the length of the striking rod which will cause the shifter to sit about 1" further back if you use a 5th gen trans in a 4th gen.
The axles are exactly the same. If you get a 2001 VLSD trans, the driver's side axle is different, but that has nothing to do with the year that it's from. 95-2001 open diff axles are the same, and 95-99 and 2001 VLSD driver's side axles are the same. You just need to know if you have VLSD or not in your new trans (there was no VLSD offered in 2000).
I say this from experience. I have had two 5th gen transmissions in my 4th gen (in addition of course to the stok 4th gen transmission I had in there and another 4th gen transmission which I broke.)
The shift rod is the same.
Not sure what you mean about the pedals, pedals have nothing to do with the trans.
heh..oo0o, thats why I said as far as I know, Cause I heard this from someone a while back... like 2 something years ago. Maybe he did have VLSD, but I can't remember. I just rememeber him having issues with 4gen axles on with his 5th gen tranni and that fixed it.
05-10-2008, 08:34 PM
#19
i have a 2001 ae 5spd tranny in my 4th gen, so im speaking from experience. i have 01 axles. i have the 01 shifting rods, and also a courtesy nissan STS, so my shifter sits perfect for me. i've heard the 4th gen STS's can make your shifter sit a little more forward, but bc i have 5th gen shift rods it sits in the middle.
01 gas and brake pedals are interchangeable with the 4th gen, but the clutch pedal is not. also, if you use the 01 master cylinder, you'll need to get a 'U' bracket off a 4th gen to put on the piston from the master cylinder, as those differ as well
01 gas and brake pedals are interchangeable with the 4th gen, but the clutch pedal is not. also, if you use the 01 master cylinder, you'll need to get a 'U' bracket off a 4th gen to put on the piston from the master cylinder, as those differ as well
05-10-2008, 09:11 PM
#20
Can anyone else vouch that changing from 4th gen to 5th gen shifting rods will center the shifter...rather than changing out the striking rod? My current VLSD tranny is toast and I'm getting ready to find another.
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05-10-2008, 11:54 PM
#21
i heard a few ppl saying that changing to 5th gen rods solves this problem. i only asked to confirm but i heard from 4 so far that it solves it. im kinda screwed bc im almost certain my 01 ae tranny was rebuilt with a 4th gen striking rod and ill be using 5th gen rods on top of that so we will see how i make out. worst comes to worse ill have to get ahold of a 4th gen shifter rod/ or swap with sumoen who has a 4th gen rod for my 01
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