I have a 97se 5sp with a Budget Y and K&N Filter and stock exhaust. After hearing many opinions about loosing lowend with all intakes I am concerned but I must admit the sound of the intake on the videos from the NE sound SWEET I also have heard that the loss is not as great on a 5sp as it is in an Automagic. Let's just assume that a CAI is not an option, I am going to add either an intake or some type of bolt on muffler. What are your opinions?


Thanks in advance,
Pat

 

Intake.

With the stock airbox, you get low end back but lose top end. With the intake, you loose slightly with the low end, but make up for it with the top end. I'll take the top end because the loss isn't that bad.

 

make you max sound crazy, go with a CAI...or bolt on intake.

 

or even better, OSCAI.

 

Earlier this year I went back from JWT intake back to stock airbox. I like to be quicker off the line, plus I don't really care for sound.

 

I went from stock to K&N panel to CAI. No regrets. Didn't feel a low end loss, either.

DW

 

Nope, happy with the purchase.

K

 

Here's a question for ya? Do you do your racing in the low RPM ranges or high RPM ranges?

Exactly....... if you wanna make your car faster, get an intake.

 

Either way a simple Pop-charger isn't gonna do much.

 

would never go back to stock. Stock is boring

 

I disagree. I gain .75 mph in the traps by removing my stock air filter from the airbox. It's a very obvious gain, last time I was at the track i trapped about 95.75 every time I ran with my stock filter in the box. When I removed it, I consistently trapped at 96.25-96.5. I'd say a real intake will do even more than that, probably on the order of 1mph in the traps.

 

You mean you were running the strip w/ no filtration? Open intake? Yikes.

 

You wouldn't be likely to feel a loss @ low end w/ CAI.

Most people here have reported a slight loss of low end w/ pop chargers and a slight loss of top end w/ CAI. They both involve some compromise - it just depends where you want it.

 

Yes. I figured with 114K miles, a little piece of sand wasn't gonna do more damage than has probably been done in the last 6 years to this engine. And I was curious what kind of results I'd get. I couldn't feel any difference, but I could definately hear it, and the results were plain as day on paper.

 

I've dynoed with the HKS intake and with a modified stock airbox. My modified stock airbox had all the resonators removed and a K&N drop in filter panel. With the HKS intake I dynoed 176fwhp and 194fwtq. With Poorman's CAI I dynoed 174fwhp and 193fwtq. Peak hp and tq occured at the nearly the same rpms in both tests, but with the HKS intake, power held on much longer after peak which is better for drag racing simply because you typically shift ~500rpms after peak in gears 1 and 2.

From what I've seen on the dyno, there is absolutely no loss in lowend tq or hp with a POP style intake.


Dave

 

Cool! Thanks for the numbers - always good when someone comes through with real data. Our butt-o-meters aren't usually quite as accurate!

This certainly reinforces the value of the pop-charger style intake: measured performance gain, low cost, low-hassle, non-invasive install, low water-induction likelihood, great sound, etc.

 

The main reason I got the POP Charger vs the CAI is because I really didn't wanna drill a hole in my wheel well. I think the CAI provides slightly better performance, but when I go to sell the car and return it back to stock, who wants to see a 3 inch hole in their wheel well?

I mean I guess a person could just leave the CAI in there when they are selling the car, but I think the best way to maximize your profits from selling is take out all the mods, sell the stock car, and sell the mods separately....

 

I went from a Pop-charger back to the stock air box, and I did this because the pop-charger made too much noise, to the degree that I got pulled over three times by cops just because I floored it a little. The max is supposed to be a sleeper and with the Pop-charger it loses that.

 

i put my PlaceRacing CAI on about 6 months ago. I still have not noticed a loss in the lower end. I love the way it sounds, and it goes great with my cattman y, random tech cat, and greddy catback.

 

I love the noise. People look at me when i drive by

 

what kind of gains do you get with just the k&n air filter?