Possible to hit 200 whp w/o 00VI?
02-23-2010, 05:36 AM
#43
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...funny shyt Aack lol-------
THe numbers i posted are the numbers that the manufactures of each item list as the possible "gains" with each product. A lil farfetched i think, but hey thats what they claim.
IMO, Short Rams perform very close to stock, if not better, if u still have the intake funnel installed and a 4" filter. Thats what i rocking now.
I listed the fidanza and UP cuz it elimates some of the losses from the stock setup, effectively creating useful HP at the wheels. But if u guys say this doesnt show up on the DYNO, then i will take yur word for it. I have never dynoed so i cant speak on it.
200 WHP to me is hard to accomplish, especially with an Auto. I forgot we were talkin about an auto and not a 5spd. In fact, to make even close to 200 WHP on an auto, u will def need the OOVI. Bottom line.
04-21-2010, 01:42 PM
#44
yeah, i'm gonna bump this thread. i would like to put down 200whp on my auto befroe putting a 50 or 75 shot on it. how does the vq35 cam work with the vq30? do you just slap it on or is there some machining involved or what not?
i've seen this mentioned often on this site, how do you get equal length headers on a sideways motor, one header is is always going to be longer than the other before they both meet the Y-pipe...
1. Equal length Headers and ypipe
2. 2.5-3in full exhaust
3. Ightweight pullys
4. JWt Ecu/ EU
Total: If you install and source out parts yourself $800-$1000
FYI underdrive pully and lightweight flywheel dosent "add" hp it frees up lost hp due to drivetrain loss and etc.
2. 2.5-3in full exhaust
3. Ightweight pullys
4. JWt Ecu/ EU
Total: If you install and source out parts yourself $800-$1000
FYI underdrive pully and lightweight flywheel dosent "add" hp it frees up lost hp due to drivetrain loss and etc.
04-21-2010, 01:45 PM
#45
yeah, i'm gonna bump this thread. i would like to put down 200whp on my auto befroe putting a 50 or 75 shot on it. how does the vq35 cam work with the vq30? do you just slap it on or is there some machining involved or what not?
i've seen this mentioned often on this site, how do you get equal length headers on a sideways motor, one header is is always going to be longer than the other before they both meet the Y-pipe...
i've seen this mentioned often on this site, how do you get equal length headers on a sideways motor, one header is is always going to be longer than the other before they both meet the Y-pipe...
05-10-2010, 01:20 PM
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Ok so reading through this thread I think I have nailed down(bounces back and forth alot...lol) that the short ram is pretty much just barely better than stock? I put a Long Tube on mine and it seems to be pretty nice. I have an UDP sittin in the garage waiting to get put on.
So going off the thread(and the various others Ive read) the exhaust is the biggy here. I know the Y pipe is a big improver so does that mean that the cat(or lack of) is minimul and the rest of the exhaust is basically just for sound? Also what about the 70mm PFTB? Anyone dynoed with this to see what comes from it? Also what about the Phenolic Thermal Intake Spacers? They claim 7HP and 8TQ and cooler running. Again, has anyone dynoed with these?
It looks like 200HP could be hit without the VI to me but Im just an old man in a slow car....any thoughts?
So going off the thread(and the various others Ive read) the exhaust is the biggy here. I know the Y pipe is a big improver so does that mean that the cat(or lack of) is minimul and the rest of the exhaust is basically just for sound? Also what about the 70mm PFTB? Anyone dynoed with this to see what comes from it? Also what about the Phenolic Thermal Intake Spacers? They claim 7HP and 8TQ and cooler running. Again, has anyone dynoed with these?
It looks like 200HP could be hit without the VI to me but Im just an old man in a slow car....any thoughts?
05-10-2010, 01:46 PM
#50
^^^i would like to see this without VI but also on an auto.
^^^yea i saw it, but that 180 degree turn would affect exhaust flow and performance, no?...
^^^yea i saw it, but that 180 degree turn would affect exhaust flow and performance, no?...
05-10-2010, 04:42 PM
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Yeah my bad I did not specify. I know the manufacturers dyno their parts which is great but does that really give a "real world" rating. Everyone has said countless times that every car takes every part differently and the manufacturers do a good job getting average runs like the above dyno.
Im asking that if there are people that have dynoed at say 190hp like theyve stated above then wouldnt the addition of these parts push them over the 200HP mark?
1) Cold Air Intake.....5-10 hp
2) "Y" Pipe..............5-10 hp
3) Hi-Flow Cat.........5-10 hp
4) Catback 2.5 Exhaust w/ Hi Flow Muffler.....10-15 hp
5) UDP.......5-12 HP
6) Fidanza Flywheel ......5-7 HP
7) Pathfinder Throttle Body....????(would 5hp be a wrong guess)
8) Thermal Intake Spacers...8-9 hp
So just by manufactures sometimes bloated claims that brings this to 43 HP on the low end and 73 HP on the CRAZY high end. I dont agree with these number entirely but I can see that if these parts just gave you 30 HP then that puts you right on the money even without ECU upgrades,cams or head work.
Am I wrong?
Im asking that if there are people that have dynoed at say 190hp like theyve stated above then wouldnt the addition of these parts push them over the 200HP mark?
1) Cold Air Intake.....5-10 hp
2) "Y" Pipe..............5-10 hp
3) Hi-Flow Cat.........5-10 hp
4) Catback 2.5 Exhaust w/ Hi Flow Muffler.....10-15 hp
5) UDP.......5-12 HP
6) Fidanza Flywheel ......5-7 HP
7) Pathfinder Throttle Body....????(would 5hp be a wrong guess)
8) Thermal Intake Spacers...8-9 hp
So just by manufactures sometimes bloated claims that brings this to 43 HP on the low end and 73 HP on the CRAZY high end. I dont agree with these number entirely but I can see that if these parts just gave you 30 HP then that puts you right on the money even without ECU upgrades,cams or head work.
Am I wrong?
05-10-2010, 05:36 PM
#54
Yeah my bad I did not specify. I know the manufacturers dyno their parts which is great but does that really give a "real world" rating. Everyone has said countless times that every car takes every part differently and the manufacturers do a good job getting average runs like the above dyno.
Im asking that if there are people that have dynoed at say 190hp like theyve stated above then wouldnt the addition of these parts push them over the 200HP mark?
1) Cold Air Intake.....5-10 hp
2) "Y" Pipe..............5-10 hp
3) Hi-Flow Cat.........5-10 hp
4) Catback 2.5 Exhaust w/ Hi Flow Muffler.....10-15 hp
5) UDP.......5-12 HP
6) Fidanza Flywheel ......5-7 HP
7) Pathfinder Throttle Body....????(would 5hp be a wrong guess)
8) Thermal Intake Spacers...8-9 hp
So just by manufactures sometimes bloated claims that brings this to 43 HP on the low end and 73 HP on the CRAZY high end. I dont agree with these number entirely but I can see that if these parts just gave you 30 HP then that puts you right on the money even without ECU upgrades,cams or head work.
Am I wrong?
Im asking that if there are people that have dynoed at say 190hp like theyve stated above then wouldnt the addition of these parts push them over the 200HP mark?
1) Cold Air Intake.....5-10 hp
2) "Y" Pipe..............5-10 hp
3) Hi-Flow Cat.........5-10 hp
4) Catback 2.5 Exhaust w/ Hi Flow Muffler.....10-15 hp
5) UDP.......5-12 HP
6) Fidanza Flywheel ......5-7 HP
7) Pathfinder Throttle Body....????(would 5hp be a wrong guess)
8) Thermal Intake Spacers...8-9 hp
So just by manufactures sometimes bloated claims that brings this to 43 HP on the low end and 73 HP on the CRAZY high end. I dont agree with these number entirely but I can see that if these parts just gave you 30 HP then that puts you right on the money even without ECU upgrades,cams or head work.
Am I wrong?
all day long, for about the price of around $5,000. Not to bad if you added this over a period of 3-5 years, making your 4th gen max the fastest in your town....
05-10-2010, 05:53 PM
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I cant speak for the original poster but myself Im thinking about the 00VI or MEVI but thats going to be down the road. I like the idea of having the bolt ons plus cams and throttle body but Im not a tuning kinda guy...lol. I really havent got a clue about gettin into the tuning part but I do like the JWT ECU. Im going through the beginning stages right now. Currently have an OBX cold air intake and a OBX underdrive pulley and Im going to look into exhaust next. I like the Warpspeed full exhaust when I do jump. I have one of my kids notebooks under my computer with a list of wanted parts and parts Ive already bought....lol.
05-10-2010, 06:29 PM
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Touche!
Again reminding yall I know nothing of tuning but dont you need to get the JWT ECU or the SAFC or something like that for timing advance?? I would kick my dogs down into the pond for a timing advance!! I dont want to drop the $600 on an ECU or more for a SAFC if it really is something that can be done without all the expense.
So with all this wouldnt it stand to reason that 200 is totally reachable without boost,bottles or VI swaps???
Again reminding yall I know nothing of tuning but dont you need to get the JWT ECU or the SAFC or something like that for timing advance?? I would kick my dogs down into the pond for a timing advance!! I dont want to drop the $600 on an ECU or more for a SAFC if it really is something that can be done without all the expense.
So with all this wouldnt it stand to reason that 200 is totally reachable without boost,bottles or VI swaps???
05-11-2010, 04:26 AM
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I hit 176.4hp / 181.7 tq (DynoJet) with short ram, y-pipe, and exhaust on a 97 auto. I think 200hp without the 00vi isn't likely for most. I say most because of the rare factory rocket, aka "The Unicorn". I can't remember who it was but their stock 1/4 mile time was sub 15 with an auto. Doesn't necessarily equate to hp but i'm just sayin.
05-13-2010, 10:57 AM
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05-15-2010, 04:22 PM
#66
well i guess thats where a good ecu would come in since you cant advance the timing on a 4th gen ecu, then afc to lean it out a bit should gain some power too...my car was leaned out to about 13.2 a/f NA
05-15-2010, 05:04 PM
#67
JWT ECUs advance timing as well but are expensive as is the Emanage Ultimate. IIRC I think Technosquare was able to bump timing with their 4th gen ECUs but are not in that market anymore.
To the OP it would be difficult and counter-intuitive to try to make more and more HP with the stock intake manifold. It doesn't breath past 5000 rpms and the TQ quickly falls down. With the 2000 VI or MEVI it will keep making HP until redline. For those that don't know HP is a function of TQ and RPMs, keep the TQ flat and it will make more and more HP as the RPMs go up. That said the MEVI is a direct bolt on and the DEK is a bit tricky, but not impossible to swap with no issues.
Also Cashoit there are Maxima meets in Milbury every other Wednesday, check the NE forum for more details.
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05-16-2010, 12:50 AM
#68
SMT-6 can advance timing on my car, been tuning with it since 2005 with +4 to +10 degrees advance and 13.0 A/Fs across the power band.
JWT ECUs advance timing as well but are expensive as is the Emanage Ultimate. IIRC I think Technosquare was able to bump timing with their 4th gen ECUs but are not in that market anymore.
To the OP it would be difficult and counter-intuitive to try to make more and more HP with the stock intake manifold. It doesn't breath past 5000 rpms and the TQ quickly falls down. With the 2000 VI or MEVI it will keep making HP until redline. For those that don't know HP is a function of TQ and RPMs, keep the TQ flat and it will make more and more HP as the RPMs go up. That said the MEVI is a direct bolt on and the DEK is a bit tricky, but not impossible to swap with no issues.
JWT ECUs advance timing as well but are expensive as is the Emanage Ultimate. IIRC I think Technosquare was able to bump timing with their 4th gen ECUs but are not in that market anymore.
To the OP it would be difficult and counter-intuitive to try to make more and more HP with the stock intake manifold. It doesn't breath past 5000 rpms and the TQ quickly falls down. With the 2000 VI or MEVI it will keep making HP until redline. For those that don't know HP is a function of TQ and RPMs, keep the TQ flat and it will make more and more HP as the RPMs go up. That said the MEVI is a direct bolt on and the DEK is a bit tricky, but not impossible to swap with no issues.
But hey, I can't knock the OP for wanting to do something different.
Just as long as the OP realizes that he will still get walked by 200HP VI'd maximas vs. his 200HP USIM.
Still, don't let it get you down, if you just want to be unique and prove that it could be done, do it man, you'll be the "200hp w/o a VI guy.
*Ninja Edit*
I know they're some n00bs asking this question to themselves "But 200whp, is 200whp, why is he saying VI'd 200whp will be faster"
Simply put... It's the area under the curve.
What do I mean? The area underneath the dyno curve, just because one person has x amount of hp doesn't really mean much, what really matters is... How much HP does he average in his powerband? Does it hold tq till the red line?
The variable intakes hold TQ and HP extremely well (in comparison to the stock USIM) which is why they're faster than a USIM 200whp. Still lost? Go study dynographs.
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05-17-2010, 12:24 PM
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I understand that the VI's hold the power to redline and I cant speak for the OP but myself, I rarely see over 5k on the tach(for now muahaha) but I would like to build it to the point where once I install a VI I already have as much HP as I can get. What Im truly trying to stay away from is boosting it(for now muahaha) as I am a huge fan of sleepers! I really dont plan on any exterior mods at all keeping my money under the hood.
The one thing that I really was trying to figure out when reading this post the first time is 1) can it be done and 2) if it is then how many people have done it.
I really have to say that when I go buy the next round of parts it will be exhaust then heading for the not so bolt ons with the PFTB and 3.5 cams.
Happy to see that this thread really has got alot of people juiced up and thinking alot about what can be done!
The one thing that I really was trying to figure out when reading this post the first time is 1) can it be done and 2) if it is then how many people have done it.
I really have to say that when I go buy the next round of parts it will be exhaust then heading for the not so bolt ons with the PFTB and 3.5 cams.
Happy to see that this thread really has got alot of people juiced up and thinking alot about what can be done!
05-17-2010, 02:29 PM
#70
I hit 176.4hp / 181.7 tq (DynoJet) with short ram, y-pipe, and exhaust on a 97 auto. I think 200hp without the 00vi isn't likely for most. I say most because of the rare factory rocket, aka "The Unicorn". I can't remember who it was but their stock 1/4 mile time was sub 15 with an auto. Doesn't necessarily equate to hp but i'm just sayin.
05-17-2010, 07:26 PM
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In the words of Napoleon Dynamite, "LUCKY!" I'm still debating on the next step. I have an S-AFC installed but haven't had a chance to tune. Kind of gearing towards the 00VI. Especially now that there's so many more .orgers with this setup. Would the S-AFC be able to take the place of the RPM switch? Everything i'm reading mentions the VAFC?
05-17-2010, 09:51 PM
#73
Please remember the air sickness bags are located in the seatback in front of you.
This thread seems to be getting particularly popular and filled with lots and lots of 
so i think i might as well step in and throw in my .10 c
For one, upgraded Cams make your car awesome [period]. 35 HP for some cams and adapters? Hell Yeah. Now if only we all had the time and energy and know how to drop out our VQ's in good time. Pricetag: 100 for adapters, 50-900$ for the Cams
Intakes, are a waste. Usually the general consensus is that you usually Lose more power and torque than you gain, and this is because were not just talking numbers but more about the area under the curve. An after market intake can give you around 2-4 HP and maybe 3-5 Torque in the 5000+ RPM range, but you typically lose around 7-10 HP/TRQ in the 2700-4000 Range. Waste: 25-300$
Arron's wonderful NWP Thermal Intake Spacers 8-10 HP/TRQ yeah.. Thats all Dyno proven. I remember reading about someone who has used these with a MEVI... Said it was like a Shot of Nitrous after 6700 (?) RPM's. Pricetag: 175-215$
Larger Throttle bodys supposedly grant a bit more HP but i couldn't tell ya. Pricetag: 25-125$
Exhaust Manifold's typically yield very little but are important if your looking to squeeze out every drop of N/A power you can. I tend not to focus on that kind of thing here so i dont really have a number, but im sure you could get almost 10 HP for the really hard core N/A engine. But of course you get what you pay for, Chinese knock off's or a Cattman tuned Manifold. Big difference. Pricetag: Included with Chinese Y-???
Y-Pipes. Do i really need to say anything? Cattman is awesome. Equal length is awesome. 12-20 HP (WS vs. Catt) most of it up high, you do lose some torque in the midrange however. Still worth it, anythings better than the stock Y. Pricetag: 200-???
Catback 2.5 Exhaust w/ Hi Flow Muffler 5-10 HP seems to be the norm. Pricetag: ???
Hi-Flow Kitten 4-7 HP if your lucky. Pricetag: ???
Piggybacks and ECU's. TS/JWT Higher Rev limit to really use that VI. EMU/SV-AFC if your tuning at home. Typically you can crank a meager 15 HP to a fantastic 45 HP using one of these. Pricetag: 120-500$
Injectors.. Are worthless... Unless your FI. Or if you feel like running pig rich after a VI swap. Pricetag: 60-500$
UDP's supposedly work to free a bit more HP up so maybe 2-4? Pricetag: 80$?
Fidanza Flywheel Quicker Rev more than anything.. You could get a couple ponies i suppose. Pricetag: ???
Nitrous/Forced Induction.. Plenty. Pricetag: First Child.
Finally the Taboo subject in this thread: Variable Intakes.
Well.. From what i have accumulated 02VI<MEVI<00VI.
From what has been suggested by some on here the 00VI bestows about 65 HP on a Stock Maxima. The MEVI a bit less, around 55, the 02VI somewhere in the 40's. Pricetag: 250-450$
People seem to forget, not all of us use the max as a track car. Alot of us spend a lot more time running around town than we do knocking her off the rev limiter. Meaning, you need to pick and choose your mods; do you want to have nothing but high end torque? Do you actually like your Bottom end? Do you find yourself doing plenty of 4-1 or 4-2 drops (finding yourself in the 3000-4000 range)? All of these are things that need to be majorly considered before action is taken.
You can quote me.
PS: Run 93 Octane.
so i think i might as well step in and throw in my .10 cFor one, upgraded Cams make your car awesome [period]. 35 HP for some cams and adapters? Hell Yeah. Now if only we all had the time and energy and know how to drop out our VQ's in good time. Pricetag: 100 for adapters, 50-900$ for the Cams
Intakes, are a waste. Usually the general consensus is that you usually Lose more power and torque than you gain, and this is because were not just talking numbers but more about the area under the curve. An after market intake can give you around 2-4 HP and maybe 3-5 Torque in the 5000+ RPM range, but you typically lose around 7-10 HP/TRQ in the 2700-4000 Range. Waste: 25-300$
Arron's wonderful NWP Thermal Intake Spacers 8-10 HP/TRQ yeah.. Thats all Dyno proven. I remember reading about someone who has used these with a MEVI... Said it was like a Shot of Nitrous after 6700 (?) RPM's. Pricetag: 175-215$
Larger Throttle bodys supposedly grant a bit more HP but i couldn't tell ya. Pricetag: 25-125$
Exhaust Manifold's typically yield very little but are important if your looking to squeeze out every drop of N/A power you can. I tend not to focus on that kind of thing here so i dont really have a number, but im sure you could get almost 10 HP for the really hard core N/A engine. But of course you get what you pay for, Chinese knock off's or a Cattman tuned Manifold. Big difference. Pricetag: Included with Chinese Y-???
Y-Pipes. Do i really need to say anything? Cattman is awesome. Equal length is awesome. 12-20 HP (WS vs. Catt) most of it up high, you do lose some torque in the midrange however. Still worth it, anythings better than the stock Y. Pricetag: 200-???
Catback 2.5 Exhaust w/ Hi Flow Muffler 5-10 HP seems to be the norm. Pricetag: ???
Hi-Flow Kitten 4-7 HP if your lucky. Pricetag: ???
Piggybacks and ECU's. TS/JWT Higher Rev limit to really use that VI. EMU/SV-AFC if your tuning at home. Typically you can crank a meager 15 HP to a fantastic 45 HP using one of these. Pricetag: 120-500$
Injectors.. Are worthless... Unless your FI. Or if you feel like running pig rich after a VI swap. Pricetag: 60-500$
UDP's supposedly work to free a bit more HP up so maybe 2-4? Pricetag: 80$?
Fidanza Flywheel Quicker Rev more than anything.. You could get a couple ponies i suppose. Pricetag: ???
Nitrous/Forced Induction.. Plenty. Pricetag: First Child.
Finally the Taboo subject in this thread: Variable Intakes.
Well.. From what i have accumulated 02VI<MEVI<00VI.
From what has been suggested by some on here the 00VI bestows about 65 HP on a Stock Maxima. The MEVI a bit less, around 55, the 02VI somewhere in the 40's. Pricetag: 250-450$
People seem to forget, not all of us use the max as a track car. Alot of us spend a lot more time running around town than we do knocking her off the rev limiter. Meaning, you need to pick and choose your mods; do you want to have nothing but high end torque? Do you actually like your Bottom end? Do you find yourself doing plenty of 4-1 or 4-2 drops (finding yourself in the 3000-4000 range)? All of these are things that need to be majorly considered before action is taken.
You can quote me.
PS: Run 93 Octane.
Last edited by FallenOne; 05-17-2010 at 09:57 PM. Reason: Fixxing the Sauce
05-17-2010, 11:02 PM
#74
For one, upgraded Cams make your car awesome [period]. you can gain up to 35 HP with some cams, adapters and tune? Hell Yeah. Now if only we all had the time and energy and know how to drop out our VQ's in good time. Pricetag: 100 for adapters, 20-1200$ for the Cams
Intakes, aren't a total waste if you know what you're doing. There are advantages and disadvantages to them, all pending you're POV you can take some of the things mentioned below out.
Advantages:
EASY maintenance.
Sweet VQ sound
CAN be better than the stock setup
Disadvantages:
Potentially lose a few ponies due to lack of heat shielding
Annoying VQ sound
Over the counter intakes (Ebay, Stores, etc.) for the 4th gen maxima are worse than stock for performance
^ If this is confusing, see any of my previous post concerning intakes, I've outlined it gross detail at least once.
Arron's wonderful NWP Thermal Intake Spacers 8-10 HP/TRQ yeah.. Thats all Dyno proven. I remember reading about someone who has used these with a MEVI... Said it was like a Shot of Nitrous after 6700 (?) RPM's. Pricetag: 175-215$
Larger Throttle bodys supposedly grant a bit more HP with a tune but i couldn't tell ya. Pricetag: 25-125$
::deleted::
Y-Pipes are awesome, Y-pipe/Header combos are even better, if you don't have one, get one. Pricetag $60-500
Catbacks, smatbacks, only really get em if you're looking to squeeze out every HP you can (Unless you're FI'd). $120-????
Hi-Flow Kitten... makes your car louder? Kinda... Don't bother unless you're looking to squeeze out every HP possible $30-60
Piggybacks and ECU's. TS/JWT Higher Rev limit to really use that VI. EMU/SV-AFC if your tuning at home. Typically you can crank a meager 15 HP to a fantastic 45 HP using one of these (pending mods). Pricetag: 120-500$
Bigger injectors.. Are worthless... without a tuner. Unless your FI. Or if you feel like running pig rich after a VI swap. Pricetag: 40-500$
UDP's don't really offer a power gain... so... ::delete::
Fidanza Flywheel... see above
Nitrous, cheap, dirty, easy, power. It's addictive though... Pricetag $200+ (I've seen used setups go for $120 though)
Forced Induction... Not the point of this thread ::delete::
Finally the Taboo subject in this thread: Variable Intakes.
Well.. see above ::delete::
People seem to forget, not all of us use the max as a track car. Alot of us spend a lot more time running around town than we do knocking her off the rev limiter. Meaning, you need to pick and choose your mods; do you want to have nothing but high end torque? Do you actually like your Bottom end? Do you find yourself doing plenty of 4-1 or 4-2 drops (finding yourself in the 3000-4000 range)? All of these are things that need to be majorly considered before action is taken.
You can quote me.
PS: Run 93 Octane.
Intakes, aren't a total waste if you know what you're doing. There are advantages and disadvantages to them, all pending you're POV you can take some of the things mentioned below out.
Advantages:
EASY maintenance.
Sweet VQ sound
CAN be better than the stock setup
Disadvantages:
Potentially lose a few ponies due to lack of heat shielding
Annoying VQ sound
Over the counter intakes (Ebay, Stores, etc.) for the 4th gen maxima are worse than stock for performance
^ If this is confusing, see any of my previous post concerning intakes, I've outlined it gross detail at least once.
Arron's wonderful NWP Thermal Intake Spacers 8-10 HP/TRQ yeah.. Thats all Dyno proven. I remember reading about someone who has used these with a MEVI... Said it was like a Shot of Nitrous after 6700 (?) RPM's. Pricetag: 175-215$
Larger Throttle bodys supposedly grant a bit more HP with a tune but i couldn't tell ya. Pricetag: 25-125$
::deleted::
Y-Pipes are awesome, Y-pipe/Header combos are even better, if you don't have one, get one. Pricetag $60-500
Catbacks, smatbacks, only really get em if you're looking to squeeze out every HP you can (Unless you're FI'd). $120-????
Hi-Flow Kitten... makes your car louder? Kinda... Don't bother unless you're looking to squeeze out every HP possible $30-60
Piggybacks and ECU's. TS/JWT Higher Rev limit to really use that VI. EMU/SV-AFC if your tuning at home. Typically you can crank a meager 15 HP to a fantastic 45 HP using one of these (pending mods). Pricetag: 120-500$
Bigger injectors.. Are worthless... without a tuner. Unless your FI. Or if you feel like running pig rich after a VI swap. Pricetag: 40-500$
UDP's don't really offer a power gain... so... ::delete::
Fidanza Flywheel... see above
Nitrous, cheap, dirty, easy, power. It's addictive though... Pricetag $200+ (I've seen used setups go for $120 though)
Forced Induction... Not the point of this thread ::delete::
Finally the Taboo subject in this thread: Variable Intakes.
Well.. see above ::delete::
People seem to forget, not all of us use the max as a track car. Alot of us spend a lot more time running around town than we do knocking her off the rev limiter. Meaning, you need to pick and choose your mods; do you want to have nothing but high end torque? Do you actually like your Bottom end? Do you find yourself doing plenty of 4-1 or 4-2 drops (finding yourself in the 3000-4000 range)? All of these are things that need to be majorly considered before action is taken.
You can quote me.
PS: Run 93 Octane.
To sum things up....
Intake, PF TB, IM Spacers, Stock VQ35 cams, long tube headers/y-pipe, high flow cat/test pipe, 2.5" catback, some sort of tuner, will yield you 200whp/210wtq.
I may just do this myself to prove myself right....
In the future my setup may end up like... Intake, Z33 IM, VH TB, VQ35 cams, OBX V2s, high flow cat, and a 3" catback (Someone better not ask why 3", or tell me to go 2.5") and tuned w/ EU w/ my VQ30DE. This of course is a LONG ways away but I will post dyno results when I do (Hopefully, winter?).
Last edited by aackshun; 05-17-2010 at 11:20 PM.
05-18-2010, 12:04 AM
#75
Thanks for the input, but you sure do like that backspace button. Either way, you've got some very balanced input.
I would very much like to see Your WIP assuming it gets a chance to materialize, also... Z33 IM? Sounds like fun. Hate to show my ignorance; has it been done? 3"? Are you Mad? Delta my friend Delta.
And what is a VH Throttle Body?
I would very much like to see Your WIP assuming it gets a chance to materialize, also... Z33 IM? Sounds like fun. Hate to show my ignorance; has it been done? 3"? Are you Mad? Delta my friend Delta.
And what is a VH Throttle Body?
05-18-2010, 12:18 AM
#76
Thanks for the input, but you sure do like that backspace button. Either way, you've got some very balanced input.
I would very much like to see Your WIP assuming it gets a chance to materialize, also... Z33 IM? Sounds like fun. Hate to show my ignorance; has it been done? 3"? Are you Mad? Delta my friend Delta.
And what is a VH Throttle Body?
I would very much like to see Your WIP assuming it gets a chance to materialize, also... Z33 IM? Sounds like fun. Hate to show my ignorance; has it been done? 3"? Are you Mad? Delta my friend Delta.
And what is a VH Throttle Body?
I'll PM the rest, this is just turning into "aackshun's silly mods for lolz".
05-18-2010, 12:24 AM
#77
This post is now aackshun approved
To sum things up....
Intake, PF TB, IM Spacers, Stock VQ35 cams, long tube headers/y-pipe, high flow cat/test pipe, 2.5" catback, some sort of tuner, will yield you 200whp/210wtq.
I may just do this myself to prove myself right....
In the future my setup may end up like... Intake, Z33 IM, VH TB, VQ35 cams, OBX V2s, high flow cat, and a 3" catback (Someone better not ask why 3", or tell me to go 2.5") and tuned w/ EU w/ my VQ30DE. This of course is a LONG ways away but I will post dyno results when I do (Hopefully, winter?).
To sum things up....
Intake, PF TB, IM Spacers, Stock VQ35 cams, long tube headers/y-pipe, high flow cat/test pipe, 2.5" catback, some sort of tuner, will yield you 200whp/210wtq.
I may just do this myself to prove myself right....
In the future my setup may end up like... Intake, Z33 IM, VH TB, VQ35 cams, OBX V2s, high flow cat, and a 3" catback (Someone better not ask why 3", or tell me to go 2.5") and tuned w/ EU w/ my VQ30DE. This of course is a LONG ways away but I will post dyno results when I do (Hopefully, winter?).
VH TB = Throttle body off of a VH45 (Nissan/Infiniti 4.5L V8 - 90 mm) useless...what's the point of bolting a throttle body the size of a garbage can to a 3.0L?
Are you gonna run a bigger MAF housing? If this is your future setup, how are you planning on tuning out idle and closed-loop using a missile sized TB/intake?
Stock VQ35 cams = weak.
4th gen can hit 200whp at least with I/H/E/good cams/aggressive tune. There's a lot of power to be gained just in ignition timing.
http://forums.maxima.org/4th-generat...yno-today.html
Iron Lung hit 190whp without MEVI or a tune. Of course this all depends on the dyno and transmission.
05-18-2010, 12:47 AM
#78
Z33 IM doesn't even make power on VQ35s unless you run different cam timing maps.
I have plans, I knew I should have explained my wacky mod list
VH TB = Throttle body off of a VH45 (Nissan/Infiniti 4.5L V8 - 90 mm) useless...what's the point of bolting a throttle body the size of a garbage can to a 3.0L?
See above
Are you gonna run a bigger MAF housing? If this is your future setup, how are you planning on tuning out idle and closed-loop using a missile sized TB/intake?
Yes, still in the works on the TB/MAF/idle issues
Stock VQ35 cams = weak.
Yes but, Stock VQ35 cams > Stock VQ30 cams.
4th gen can hit 200whp at least with I/H/E/good cams/aggressive tune. There's a lot of power to be gained just in ignition timing.
http://forums.maxima.org/4th-generat...yno-today.html
Iron Lung hit 190whp without MEVI or a tune. Of course this all depends on the dyno and transmission.
I have plans, I knew I should have explained my wacky mod list
VH TB = Throttle body off of a VH45 (Nissan/Infiniti 4.5L V8 - 90 mm) useless...what's the point of bolting a throttle body the size of a garbage can to a 3.0L?
See above
Are you gonna run a bigger MAF housing? If this is your future setup, how are you planning on tuning out idle and closed-loop using a missile sized TB/intake?
Yes, still in the works on the TB/MAF/idle issues
Stock VQ35 cams = weak.
Yes but, Stock VQ35 cams > Stock VQ30 cams.
4th gen can hit 200whp at least with I/H/E/good cams/aggressive tune. There's a lot of power to be gained just in ignition timing.
http://forums.maxima.org/4th-generat...yno-today.html
Iron Lung hit 190whp without MEVI or a tune. Of course this all depends on the dyno and transmission.
Mrahhh again so far off topic, this is the last of my mod discussion, one day I'll update my dyno thread w/ achievements/failures, and we can discuss further there.
Last edited by aackshun; 05-18-2010 at 01:00 AM.
05-18-2010, 06:08 AM
#79
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This post is now aackshun approved
To sum things up....
Intake, PF TB, IM Spacers, Stock VQ35 cams, long tube headers/y-pipe, high flow cat/test pipe, 2.5" catback, some sort of tuner, will yield you 200whp/210wtq.
I may just do this myself to prove myself right....
In the future my setup may end up like... Intake, Z33 IM, VH TB, VQ35 cams, OBX V2s, high flow cat, and a 3" catback (Someone better not ask why 3", or tell me to go 2.5") and tuned w/ EU w/ my VQ30DE. This of course is a LONG ways away but I will post dyno results when I do (Hopefully, winter?).
To sum things up....
Intake, PF TB, IM Spacers, Stock VQ35 cams, long tube headers/y-pipe, high flow cat/test pipe, 2.5" catback, some sort of tuner, will yield you 200whp/210wtq.
I may just do this myself to prove myself right....
In the future my setup may end up like... Intake, Z33 IM, VH TB, VQ35 cams, OBX V2s, high flow cat, and a 3" catback (Someone better not ask why 3", or tell me to go 2.5") and tuned w/ EU w/ my VQ30DE. This of course is a LONG ways away but I will post dyno results when I do (Hopefully, winter?).
UDP and Flywheel increase HP to the wheels and not actually create HP.
I forgot all about nitrous. That will get u over 200 whp fo sure lol. Boom thread closed.