Possible to hit 200 whp w/o 00VI?
02-21-2010, 09:23 PM
#7
I think its possible. I dyno'd 181 whp with just intake, ypipe, hi flow cat and exhaust with a regular DE motor and autotragic transmission and that was on a Dyno Dynamics machine which supposedly reads lower than a Dynojet.
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02-21-2010, 11:54 PM
#8
Damn... I need to get on a Dyno then, I'm sure I'm around 180...
But to the OP, I'm sure you can plop in VQ35 cams and intake spacers (plus all of the aforementioned bolt ons), you'll be close enough to 200whp.
But to the OP, I'm sure you can plop in VQ35 cams and intake spacers (plus all of the aforementioned bolt ons), you'll be close enough to 200whp.
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02-22-2010, 05:01 AM
#10
i did 179whp/183wtq with intake, headers, y-pipe, catback, fidanza flywheel. it was over 95 degrees that day though and then engine was heat soaked. i have yet to go back and dyno with the 00vi and JWT ECU
02-22-2010, 07:00 AM
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well, consumerguide.com has the 4th gen at 190 HP stock. How are ppl dynoing lower than that?? O ok... i think i jus answered my own question. The 190 HP is prolly jus the engine without the tranny hooked up to it. THere are losses with the tranny so the whp is prolly 170 ish.
02-22-2010, 08:10 AM
#12
well, consumerguide.com has the 4th gen at 190 HP stock. How are ppl dynoing lower than that?? O ok... i think i jus answered my own question. The 190 HP is prolly jus the engine without the tranny hooked up to it. THere are losses with the tranny so the whp is prolly 170 ish.
the 190 hp that the engine is rated at is just engine power, stock our cars are about 135-150 at WHP
02-22-2010, 08:14 AM
#13
well, consumerguide.com has the 4th gen at 190 HP stock. How are ppl dynoing lower than that?? O ok... i think i jus answered my own question. The 190 HP is prolly jus the engine without the tranny hooked up to it. THere are losses with the tranny so the whp is prolly 170 ish.
lmfaoooo....190 hp is at the crank. Realistically, a stock 4th gen would put down 150-165 hp at the wheels.
02-22-2010, 08:19 AM
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Ouch man, why the backsmack lol
135 ish huh, thats pretty low. I was being generous with the 170 whp suggestion, since a quick google search didnt yield any numbers.
that being sd, 200 whp with no 00VI or F/I would be difficult. I think with intake, exhaust, and weight reduction mods you cd do it. but nothing much higher.
With the 00VI its def possible.
02-22-2010, 10:45 AM
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02-22-2010, 11:55 AM
#17
You have the same username on Youtube right? If so I love your exhaust setup, that's exactly what I wanna do.
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02-22-2010, 12:03 PM
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O yeah, its not impossible. But i thingk its highly unlikely.
By hard i meant u wd need a lot of mods...well lets look at these quantitatively,
1) short ram intake.....5-10 hp
2)y pipe....5-10 hp
3) hi-flow cat...5-10 hp
4) catback 2.5 exhaust w/ hi flow muffler.....10-15 hp
5) UP.......5-12 HP
6) fidanza flywheel ......5-7 HP
(Anyone have objections to these numbers???)
on the low side, that adds up to 35 extra HP...which would prolly get you to 180+ whp
on the high side,,, that adds up to about 50 HP....that gets u to 190+ extra HP.
Like i sd, you could get there but it would be difficult and require other weight reduction mods. U prolly top out at 200 WHP. Nothing more.
THats why ppl do the 00VI mod, cuz its a 15-25 HP increase. With all the other mods included u would def get u to 200 WHP
02-22-2010, 12:05 PM
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02-22-2010, 12:11 PM
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probably a little bit of a stretch for an auto to make to 200whp but some dynos read high so you might get a sheet that says 200whp. whether or not you'd be faster than the guy next to you with a sheet that reads 185whp from a different dyno is a whole different question...
this is why dyno numbers mean nothing when you're comparing such small variances like 10whp here, 10whp there.
this is why dyno numbers mean nothing when you're comparing such small variances like 10whp here, 10whp there.
02-22-2010, 01:35 PM
#22
O yeah, its not impossible. But i thingk its highly unlikely.
By hard i meant u wd need a lot of mods...well lets look at these quantitatively,
1) short ram intake.....5-10 hp
2)y pipe....5-10 hp
3) hi-flow cat...5-10 hp
4) catback 2.5 exhaust w/ hi flow muffler.....10-15 hp
5) UP.......5-12 HP
6) fidanza flywheel ......5-7 HP
(Anyone have objections to these numbers???)
on the low side, that adds up to 35 extra HP...which would prolly get you to 180+ whp
on the high side,,, that adds up to about 50 HP....that gets u to 190+ extra HP.
Like i sd, you could get there but it would be difficult and require other weight reduction mods. U prolly top out at 200 WHP. Nothing more.
THats why ppl do the 00VI mod, cuz its a 15-25 HP increase. With all the other mods included u would def get u to 200 WHP
By hard i meant u wd need a lot of mods...well lets look at these quantitatively,
1) short ram intake.....5-10 hp
2)y pipe....5-10 hp
3) hi-flow cat...5-10 hp
4) catback 2.5 exhaust w/ hi flow muffler.....10-15 hp
5) UP.......5-12 HP
6) fidanza flywheel ......5-7 HP
(Anyone have objections to these numbers???)
on the low side, that adds up to 35 extra HP...which would prolly get you to 180+ whp
on the high side,,, that adds up to about 50 HP....that gets u to 190+ extra HP.
Like i sd, you could get there but it would be difficult and require other weight reduction mods. U prolly top out at 200 WHP. Nothing more.
THats why ppl do the 00VI mod, cuz its a 15-25 HP increase. With all the other mods included u would def get u to 200 WHP
Based off my understanding, I could be completely wrong but I thought it was more like:
1) short ram intake..... negative 3-0 hp (due to heat and flow over the maf)
2)y pipe....10-18 hp (I thought the y-pipe easily added well over 10hp?)
3) hi-flow cat...0-5 hp (factory cat flows about the same as a high flow I thought?)
4) catback 2.5 exhaust w/ hi flow muffler.....5-10 hp
5) UP.......5-12 HP
6) fidanza flywheel ......5-12 HP
The last two of course having more benefits in the lower gears. I thought the factory cat was a high flow cat as is? I remember there being some debate on the actual gains had by replacing the stock cat.
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02-22-2010, 01:56 PM
#23
Hmm, I dunno about some of those numbers. If I'm not mistaken, going short ram is really only good for sound. I thought you lost power with a short ram because the factory intake isn't that restrictive and it takes in cold air. Not to mention the airflow over the MAF is disrupted with the filter being so close.
Based off my understanding, I could be completely wrong but I thought it was more like:
1) short ram intake..... negative 3-0 hp (due to heat and flow over the maf)
2)y pipe....10-18 hp (I thought the y-pipe easily added well over 10hp?)
3) hi-flow cat...0-5 hp (factory cat flows about the same as a high flow I thought?)
4) catback 2.5 exhaust w/ hi flow muffler.....5-10 hp
5) UP.......5-12 HP
6) fidanza flywheel ......5-12 HP
The last two of course having more benefits in the lower gears. I thought the factory cat was a high flow cat as is? I remember there being some debate on the actual gains had by replacing the stock cat.
Based off my understanding, I could be completely wrong but I thought it was more like:
1) short ram intake..... negative 3-0 hp (due to heat and flow over the maf)
2)y pipe....10-18 hp (I thought the y-pipe easily added well over 10hp?)
3) hi-flow cat...0-5 hp (factory cat flows about the same as a high flow I thought?)
4) catback 2.5 exhaust w/ hi flow muffler.....5-10 hp
5) UP.......5-12 HP
6) fidanza flywheel ......5-12 HP
The last two of course having more benefits in the lower gears. I thought the factory cat was a high flow cat as is? I remember there being some debate on the actual gains had by replacing the stock cat.
I think the short ram adds like 2-3 hp up top but you lose a bunch of torque in the middle and down low.
I also dont think you gain hp from UP and flywheel on a dyno. Your car still makes the same power but it has less weight to get moving meaning it revs quicker. Its the same idea as taking stuff out of your car and making it lighter. It makes your car faster but doesnt increase your HP.
02-22-2010, 02:07 PM
#24
Hmm, I dunno about some of those numbers. If I'm not mistaken, going short ram is really only good for sound. I thought you lost power with a short ram because the factory intake isn't that restrictive and it takes in cold air. Not to mention the airflow over the MAF is disrupted with the filter being so close.
Based off my understanding, I could be completely wrong but I thought it was more like:
1) short ram intake..... negative 3-0 hp (due to heat and flow over the maf)
2)y pipe....10-18 hp (I thought the y-pipe easily added well over 10hp?)
3) hi-flow cat...0-5 hp (factory cat flows about the same as a high flow I thought?)
4) catback 2.5 exhaust w/ hi flow muffler.....5-10 hp
5) UP.......5-12 HP
6) fidanza flywheel ......5-12 HP
The last two of course having more benefits in the lower gears. I thought the factory cat was a high flow cat as is? I remember there being some debate on the actual gains had by replacing the stock cat.
Based off my understanding, I could be completely wrong but I thought it was more like:
1) short ram intake..... negative 3-0 hp (due to heat and flow over the maf)
2)y pipe....10-18 hp (I thought the y-pipe easily added well over 10hp?)
3) hi-flow cat...0-5 hp (factory cat flows about the same as a high flow I thought?)
4) catback 2.5 exhaust w/ hi flow muffler.....5-10 hp
5) UP.......5-12 HP
6) fidanza flywheel ......5-12 HP
The last two of course having more benefits in the lower gears. I thought the factory cat was a high flow cat as is? I remember there being some debate on the actual gains had by replacing the stock cat.
I also dont think a UDP and flywheel will free up 24whp.
02-22-2010, 03:03 PM
#25
IMO 5 and 6 don't add HP/TQ benefits to your car. it's just not dyno reputable, more like 1/8th time reputable. This isn't Forza Motorsport or Gran Turismo folks.
Maybe your 96 ecu doesn't like all of those goodies, bad ks, bad dyno... so many variables when it comes to dynoing, which is why I really don't like it (or haven't even done it for that matter).
Last edited by aackshun; 02-22-2010 at 03:06 PM.
02-22-2010, 03:12 PM
#26
I made my edits.
IMO 5 and 6 don't add HP/TQ benefits to your car. it's just not dyno reputable, more like 1/8th time reputable. This isn't Forza Motorsport or Gran Turismo folks.
Maybe your 96 ecu doesn't like all of those goodies, bad ks, bad dyno... so many variables when it comes to dynoing, which is why I really don't like it (or haven't even done it for that matter).
IMO 5 and 6 don't add HP/TQ benefits to your car. it's just not dyno reputable, more like 1/8th time reputable. This isn't Forza Motorsport or Gran Turismo folks.
Maybe your 96 ecu doesn't like all of those goodies, bad ks, bad dyno... so many variables when it comes to dynoing, which is why I really don't like it (or haven't even done it for that matter).
Mods effect cars differently and results will always vary.
That dyno was the same dyno I hit 302whp on after installing the SCer.
02-22-2010, 04:00 PM
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02-22-2010, 04:03 PM
#29
Yep thats me. Thanks. I just got back from a dyno today with my brother's car. I should have that up there by later tonight. Its not related to this thread but it did 366whp/362wtq lexus SC300, and it is an auto, lol
02-22-2010, 06:12 PM
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02-22-2010, 08:11 PM
#33
1. Equal length Headers and ypipe
2. 2.5-3in full exhaust
3. Ightweight pullys
4. JWt Ecu/ EU
Total: If you install and source out parts yourself $800-$1000
FYI underdrive pully and lightweight flywheel dosent "add" hp it frees up lost hp due to drivetrain loss and etc.
2. 2.5-3in full exhaust
3. Ightweight pullys
4. JWt Ecu/ EU
Total: If you install and source out parts yourself $800-$1000
FYI underdrive pully and lightweight flywheel dosent "add" hp it frees up lost hp due to drivetrain loss and etc.
02-22-2010, 08:14 PM
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02-22-2010, 08:48 PM
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02-22-2010, 09:39 PM
#36
1) short ram intake..... negative 3-0 hp (due to heat and flow over the maf)
2)y pipe....10-18 hp (I thought the y-pipe easily added well over 10hp?)
3) hi-flow cat...0-5 hp (factory cat flows about the same as a high flow I thought?)
4) catback 2.5 exhaust w/ hi flow muffler.....5-10 hp
5) UP.......5-12 HP
6) fidanza flywheel ......5-12 HP
The last two of course having more benefits in the lower gears. I thought the factory cat was a high flow cat as is? I remember there being some debate on the actual gains had by replacing the stock cat.
02-22-2010, 10:03 PM
#37
Yea, I definitely agree with everyone on 5 and 6. I haven't done either yet, but the difference as speeds increase diminishes. All those do is allow the engine to speed up and slow down faster. Great for a first gear pull where the engine is much more limited by the amount of weight it has to spin up from 2000 RPM to 6500 RPM extremely quickly.
In 5th gear the engine can't accelerate RPM nearly as quickly thus making the reduced weight of the flywheel/pulley insignificant. Normally you dyno the car in 3rd or 4th anyway, so gains shouldn't really show up on the dyno.
In 5th gear the engine can't accelerate RPM nearly as quickly thus making the reduced weight of the flywheel/pulley insignificant. Normally you dyno the car in 3rd or 4th anyway, so gains shouldn't really show up on the dyno.
02-22-2010, 11:02 PM
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