Gauging Interest in a 3" exhaust from Cattman
awesome!
Flav, totally off topic. It would look sick if you painted the top of the car black too. Like the 7h gen's.
Bed time for me though.
Last edited by aackshun; Sep 8, 2010 at 12:43 AM.
Will there be a chance to purchase this later on? Possibly get another run going in 3-5 months? Reason is I would go full Cattman from headers to the tip. My concern would be the loudness of this exhaust setup. I have a 2.5" exhaust and its loud.
Also Its almost winter time hear in Canada...Probably the greatest contribution in why I never placed my name on that list
Also Its almost winter time hear in Canada...Probably the greatest contribution in why I never placed my name on that list
Will there be a chance to purchase this later on? Possibly get another run going in 3-5 months? Reason is I would go full Cattman from headers to the tip. My concern would be the loudness of this exhaust setup. I have a 2.5" exhaust and its loud.
Also Its almost winter time hear in Canada...Probably the greatest contribution in why I never placed my name on that list
Also Its almost winter time hear in Canada...Probably the greatest contribution in why I never placed my name on that list
I bet you'd think my car is deafening loud then lol.
Hi everybody, its the perfect time for an update.
The fitment session requires having some flanges and a couple mild-steel mandrel-bent tubing sections on hand, so those were delivered today (16 September) and I've left a msg for the Wiz (minutes ago) to arrange an appointment time next week. My exhaust partner's schedule is open Tues-Thurs, so we should be able to set something up.
This is something that everyone who has ordered should pay attention to... My exhaust partner suggested waiting to take deposits after the initial fitment session, and I think that's a good idea. We want to make sure that this can be done (and done well) before taking any $. There's a tight spot or two and we want to confirm that we can put a 3" tube through there before anyone makes a financial commitment. So, at the end of the fitment day, I'll either swoop on the deposits or send an email to everyone explaining what we discovered. Let me make clear that I'm counting on this working.
If all goes as expected during the fitment, my best guess for completion would be roughly 25-30 days.
As soon as we set up the fitment appointment, either I or the Wiz will post that here, and that's also the heads up for whacking the credit cards, so I'd be immensely grateful if everyone is ready to go for that.
Brian
The fitment session requires having some flanges and a couple mild-steel mandrel-bent tubing sections on hand, so those were delivered today (16 September) and I've left a msg for the Wiz (minutes ago) to arrange an appointment time next week. My exhaust partner's schedule is open Tues-Thurs, so we should be able to set something up.
This is something that everyone who has ordered should pay attention to... My exhaust partner suggested waiting to take deposits after the initial fitment session, and I think that's a good idea. We want to make sure that this can be done (and done well) before taking any $. There's a tight spot or two and we want to confirm that we can put a 3" tube through there before anyone makes a financial commitment. So, at the end of the fitment day, I'll either swoop on the deposits or send an email to everyone explaining what we discovered. Let me make clear that I'm counting on this working.
If all goes as expected during the fitment, my best guess for completion would be roughly 25-30 days.
As soon as we set up the fitment appointment, either I or the Wiz will post that here, and that's also the heads up for whacking the credit cards, so I'd be immensely grateful if everyone is ready to go for that.
Brian
Last edited by Cattman; Sep 16, 2010 at 02:54 PM.
Hi everybody, its the perfect time for an update.
The fitment session requires having some flanges and a couple mild-steel mandrel-bent tubing sections on hand, so those were delivered today (16 September) and I've left a msg for the Wiz (minutes ago) to arrange an appointment time next week. My exhaust partner's schedule is open Tues-Thurs, so we should be able to set something up.
This is something that everyone who has ordered should pay attention to... My exhaust partner suggested waiting to take deposits after the initial fitment session, and I think that's a good idea. We want to make sure that this can be done (and done well) before taking any $. There's a tight spot or two and we want to confirm that we can put a 3" tube through there before anyone makes a financial commitment. So, at the end of the fitment day, I'll either swoop on the deposits or send an email to everyone explaining what we discovered. Let me make clear that I'm counting on this working.
If all goes as expected during the fitment, my best guess for completion would be roughly 25-30 days.
As soon as we set up the fitment appointment, either I or the Wiz will post that here, and that's also the heads up for whacking the credit cards, so I'd be immensely grateful if everyone is ready to go for that.
Brian
The fitment session requires having some flanges and a couple mild-steel mandrel-bent tubing sections on hand, so those were delivered today (16 September) and I've left a msg for the Wiz (minutes ago) to arrange an appointment time next week. My exhaust partner's schedule is open Tues-Thurs, so we should be able to set something up.
This is something that everyone who has ordered should pay attention to... My exhaust partner suggested waiting to take deposits after the initial fitment session, and I think that's a good idea. We want to make sure that this can be done (and done well) before taking any $. There's a tight spot or two and we want to confirm that we can put a 3" tube through there before anyone makes a financial commitment. So, at the end of the fitment day, I'll either swoop on the deposits or send an email to everyone explaining what we discovered. Let me make clear that I'm counting on this working.
If all goes as expected during the fitment, my best guess for completion would be roughly 25-30 days.
As soon as we set up the fitment appointment, either I or the Wiz will post that here, and that's also the heads up for whacking the credit cards, so I'd be immensely grateful if everyone is ready to go for that.
Brian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bd2TThvqJk&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85qtf...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH2Pp6TJdZc&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr_il...eature=related
Enjoy!!!!
Well the 5th gen 3" setup sells for
659.99 w/o a resonator and $739.99 with a resonator.
When the Wizard was setting up the 3" GD for the 4th gen its was $684.99 without a resonator and $749.99 with a resonator, so Im sure it would be some where in those ball park prices.
And I agree about going cheap. I find it absurd when folks go cheap, and then later complain about fitment, quality and etc. knowing they went cheap in the first place.
659.99 w/o a resonator and $739.99 with a resonator.
When the Wizard was setting up the 3" GD for the 4th gen its was $684.99 without a resonator and $749.99 with a resonator, so Im sure it would be some where in those ball park prices.
And I agree about going cheap. I find it absurd when folks go cheap, and then later complain about fitment, quality and etc. knowing they went cheap in the first place.
(Yes, you read right, I'll take two. I can use one right now on my '99 Max, and the other I'll store for 6 months or so until I have my '98 setup with FI as well)
Let's do this!!
Time to step up and support the best vendor on this site (IMHO) and get the best possible 3" catback for your Max in return.
1. Maxprivate
2. The Wizard
3. The Wizard
4. Speedymax99
5.??
Let's do this!!
Time to step up and support the best vendor on this site (IMHO) and get the best possible 3" catback for your Max in return. 1. Maxprivate
2. The Wizard
3. The Wizard
4. Speedymax99
5.??
Can't be tighter than the 5/5.5th Gen....I'm happy for you guys.....especially you VQ35 swappers and SCboys.....this thing is a beast here's some videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bd2TThvqJk&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85qtf...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH2Pp6TJdZc&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr_il...eature=related
Enjoy!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bd2TThvqJk&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85qtf...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH2Pp6TJdZc&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr_il...eature=related
Enjoy!!!!
Can't wait till I get mine in!! My car is already that loud lol.
Damn my wife and youngest go to sleep pretty much every 4.0 hrs trip too Louisiana, so I know it's not the loud! It's just not quiet as stock, since I have Headers, hiflo cat and 3" catback.....the deepness at idle gets looks cause everyone's curious what's under the hood.....but other than that it's well mannered....my wifey drives it almost everyday......
Thanks CMax03, that is so cool seeing the 3" next to the stock catback. Great representation of the 3 sizes.
Since we know that a normally aspirated VQ30DEK motor matched with our 5th gen 3" catback doesn't lose power for lack of back pressure, you have to wonder how the car runs as well as it does with that tiny stock tubing.
I'm really looking forward to see how this 4th gen 3" system works out, these Nissan motors don't seem bothered at all by low exhaust backpressure. I wonder how big an exhaust would have to be (let's say, on a n/a VQ35DE) to lose some low-end power. I'm not sure there's enough room to find out!
Brian
Since we know that a normally aspirated VQ30DEK motor matched with our 5th gen 3" catback doesn't lose power for lack of back pressure, you have to wonder how the car runs as well as it does with that tiny stock tubing.
I'm really looking forward to see how this 4th gen 3" system works out, these Nissan motors don't seem bothered at all by low exhaust backpressure. I wonder how big an exhaust would have to be (let's say, on a n/a VQ35DE) to lose some low-end power. I'm not sure there's enough room to find out!
Brian
Thanks CMax03, that is so cool seeing the 3" next to the stock catback. Great representation of the 3 sizes.
Since we know that a normally aspirated VQ30DEK motor matched with our 5th gen 3" catback doesn't lose power for lack of back pressure, you have to wonder how the car runs as well as it does with that tiny stock tubing.
I'm really looking forward to see how this 4th gen 3" system works out, these Nissan motors don't seem bothered at all by low exhaust backpressure. I wonder how big an exhaust would have to be (let's say, on a n/a VQ35DE) to lose some low-end power. I'm not sure there's enough room to find out!
Brian
Since we know that a normally aspirated VQ30DEK motor matched with our 5th gen 3" catback doesn't lose power for lack of back pressure, you have to wonder how the car runs as well as it does with that tiny stock tubing.
I'm really looking forward to see how this 4th gen 3" system works out, these Nissan motors don't seem bothered at all by low exhaust backpressure. I wonder how big an exhaust would have to be (let's say, on a n/a VQ35DE) to lose some low-end power. I'm not sure there's enough room to find out!
Brian
Ok I'll call you 2morrow....sorry had someone calling me really late so I turn it off once home lately....The increase is volume wise and it's deeper but wow the beast is really crazy when stepped into.....a little more linear with that cone insert installed just aft of the resonator no welding necessary....and yeah there's really no room left to go any bigger especially routing it over the rear axle matrix on the 5th/5.5th Gen....I love this exhaust setup, it's really beautiful just listening to it....kinda addictive guys!
Thanks CMax03, that is so cool seeing the 3" next to the stock catback. Great representation of the 3 sizes.
Since we know that a normally aspirated VQ30DEK motor matched with our 5th gen 3" catback doesn't lose power for lack of back pressure, you have to wonder how the car runs as well as it does with that tiny stock tubing.
I'm really looking forward to see how this 4th gen 3" system works out, these Nissan motors don't seem bothered at all by low exhaust backpressure. I wonder how big an exhaust would have to be (let's say, on a n/a VQ35DE) to lose some low-end power. I'm not sure there's enough room to find out!
Brian
Since we know that a normally aspirated VQ30DEK motor matched with our 5th gen 3" catback doesn't lose power for lack of back pressure, you have to wonder how the car runs as well as it does with that tiny stock tubing.
I'm really looking forward to see how this 4th gen 3" system works out, these Nissan motors don't seem bothered at all by low exhaust backpressure. I wonder how big an exhaust would have to be (let's say, on a n/a VQ35DE) to lose some low-end power. I'm not sure there's enough room to find out!
Brian
Thanks CMax03, that is so cool seeing the 3" next to the stock catback. Great representation of the 3 sizes.
Since we know that a normally aspirated VQ30DEK motor matched with our 5th gen 3" catback doesn't lose power for lack of back pressure, you have to wonder how the car runs as well as it does with that tiny stock tubing.
I'm really looking forward to see how this 4th gen 3" system works out, these Nissan motors don't seem bothered at all by low exhaust backpressure. I wonder how big an exhaust would have to be (let's say, on a n/a VQ35DE) to lose some low-end power. I'm not sure there's enough room to find out!
Brian
Since we know that a normally aspirated VQ30DEK motor matched with our 5th gen 3" catback doesn't lose power for lack of back pressure, you have to wonder how the car runs as well as it does with that tiny stock tubing.
I'm really looking forward to see how this 4th gen 3" system works out, these Nissan motors don't seem bothered at all by low exhaust backpressure. I wonder how big an exhaust would have to be (let's say, on a n/a VQ35DE) to lose some low-end power. I'm not sure there's enough room to find out!
Brian
If a 3" can show gains from 7-10whp on a FI'd vehicle how much can one expect to gain by going with a 3.5-4" on a NA vehicle?
I can't see that happening...going that big unless one was Boosted(extemely)....like 30psi+....but you gained only 7-10 whp increasing from 2.5"-3"? How much torque is gained on the FI'd cars? On some of the Dodge 2.2 turbo cars going to a 3" is 25-30 whp with a 2.5" swivel valve (section between the Turbo and the downpipe) once the swivel valve is changed you gain other 10 whp but close to 40 wtq....so some cars respond a little different.....VQ35 was suppose to gain 20-25 whp, upgrading from a 2.5" to 3" catback. I'll be dynoing he car real soon since it's not 100* F....
I can't see that happening...going that big unless one was Boosted(extemely)....like 30psi+....but you gained only 7-10 whp increasing from 2.5"-3"? How much torque is gained on the FI'd cars? On some of the Dodge 2.2 turbo cars going to a 3" is 25-30 whp with a 2.5" swivel valve (section between the Turbo and the downpipe) once the swivel valve is changed you gain other 10 whp but close to 40 wtq....so some cars respond a little different.....VQ35 was suppose to gain 20-25 whp, upgrading from a 2.5" to 3" catback. I'll be dynoing he car real soon since it's not 100* F....
A turbo setup will of course yeild better gains with a larger exhaust since less retriction will be on the turbo allowing it to spool faster.
So your saying that the SRT guys are seeing a 25-30whp gain by simply bolting up a 3" setup with no tuning and boost increase?
That was based on what Ive seen in the past, not on my car. I have yet to dyno with my 3" setup. I did dyno with the cutout open on my 2.5 setup and the amount of HP I gained wasnt that great, the amount of torque was however.
A turbo setup will of course yeild better gains with a larger exhaust since less retriction will be on the turbo allowing it to spool faster.
So your saying that the SRT guys are seeing a 25-30whp gain by simply bolting up a 3" setup with no tuning and boost increase?
A turbo setup will of course yeild better gains with a larger exhaust since less retriction will be on the turbo allowing it to spool faster.
So your saying that the SRT guys are seeing a 25-30whp gain by simply bolting up a 3" setup with no tuning and boost increase?
I think he's talking about the old 80's I4 turbos (like the one he has sitting in his garage).
That was based on what Ive seen in the past, not on my car. I have yet to dyno with my 3" setup. I did dyno with the cutout open on my 2.5 setup and the amount of HP I gained wasnt that great, the amount of torque was however.
A turbo setup will of course yeild better gains with a larger exhaust since less retriction will be on the turbo allowing it to spool faster.
So your saying that the SRT guys are seeing a 25-30whp gain by simply bolting up a 3" setup with no tuning and boost increase?
A turbo setup will of course yeild better gains with a larger exhaust since less retriction will be on the turbo allowing it to spool faster.
So your saying that the SRT guys are seeing a 25-30whp gain by simply bolting up a 3" setup with no tuning and boost increase?
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Test fitting/fabrication went really well today guys. Everything from the piping to the tip looks great! Cattman's fabricators name is Scott, and he took his time and did a really good job at putting it all together, and took into account that many of us are lowered; clearance shouldn't be an issue. We're good to go! I'm really excited about this more than ever!
As of now, the tip is 3.5" and it fits the exhaust hole perfectly.
I forgot my nice camera, but I snapped a few pics with my 5megapixel Android phone..
A few teaser pics to follow...
As of now, the tip is 3.5" and it fits the exhaust hole perfectly.
I forgot my nice camera, but I snapped a few pics with my 5megapixel Android phone..
A few teaser pics to follow...
Let's keep in mind that sound is subjective. No one wants their exhaust to be "too loud", but too loud means something different to each person. One guy's "too loud" will the next guy's "just right" and the third guy's "too quiet".
I guess my point is to not take any single person's words too literally, look for patterns from large numbers of comments. Reading through the long 5th gen 3" catback thread will show a broad range of opinions that average out to something pretty reasonable (for what it is!).
Brian
Oh yes, as the Wiz reports, things went great at the fitment session today, I've seldom heard my exhaust partner as enthusiastic as he was.
So, as promised, we're moving ahead full speed. In fact, it could be a wee bit quicker than expected because we submitted 3" tubing order in today, just as the mandrel bender was doing a 3" run. We're often delayed 7-10 days for that.
I'll also remind that I'll be whacking the CCs for the deposits this evening and tomorrow, so let's all make sure all are ready for that.
Brian
So, as promised, we're moving ahead full speed. In fact, it could be a wee bit quicker than expected because we submitted 3" tubing order in today, just as the mandrel bender was doing a 3" run. We're often delayed 7-10 days for that.
I'll also remind that I'll be whacking the CCs for the deposits this evening and tomorrow, so let's all make sure all are ready for that.
Brian