Larger Oil filters
#41
Given that most wear to an engine occurs at startup, and that a larger oil filter would mean a longer time for the oil to reach lubricating parts (oil pump has to force more oil through the larger filter).....does the benefit of larger capacity outweigh the potentially detrimental factor of a longer time for oil to flow at startup?
#42
Walmart for Mobil 1 0W-40 and auto parts store for PureOne filter. Worth stocking up on the filters when they're $5 a piece otherwise they are about $7 when not on sale. For the money this combo works well. There should be a small oil pan in the valve cover that would hold a little oil so that during start up oil would get distributed fast.
Last edited by Quickywd01; 12-14-2012 at 01:17 PM.
#43
Wal-mart has had mobil 1 on sale for months! $28 around these parts. All this talk really motivates me to go ahead with the oil cooler. Normal temp for me is about 280F and I want to bring it down to about 260F. The 4th gen just doesnt have great mounting points for coolers though especially if you already have one on.
#44
It's normally that price, it's not on sale. At least here it's like that. Engine oil cooler? I don't think you need one unless you go road racing where you're WOT for laps and laps. I was looking into an engine oil cooler for my sc but I realized centrifugal sc's don't generate heat like a hot exhaust fed turbo. Streetz has found uneven afr's on the 3.5 and there is known overheating on the rear cylinder bank. Look into the DE-K coolant "log" pipe. That should be done first so your motor can cool evenly and safely, then if you push it hard enough and you need an oil cooler you buy one. I almost spent money on all kinds of stuff but I realized when you don't have experience with something you can apply certain logic. Now I read and read and read and after I think I know everything I read some more. Being broke forces me to do that though, lol otherwise I'd have brand name stuff everywhere.
#45
This x10. Oil pressure at start-up is already low enough but as long as it is a good filter and it flows well it should make no difference the size of the filter. I would just be curious to know how it effects pressure at start-up where it matters. I even pondered switching to a 0w oil to help this
#46
According to Fleet Filter, the 51344/1344 filter Beta Ratio is poor at 2/20=22/40, But I think it was a typo. According to the manufacturers the Beta Ratio is the same as the Wix recommended filter.
These are the numbers from the manufacturers.
Wix 57356 maxima filter
Style:Spin-On Lube
FilterService:Lube
Type:Full Flow
Media:Paper
Height:3.402
Outer Diameter Top:2.685
Outer Diameter Bottom:Closed
Thread Size:20X1.5 MM
Burst Pressure-PSI:363
Anti-Drain Back Valve:Yes
Beta Ratio:2/20=6/20
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI:8-11
Max Flow Rate:9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating:21
Napa 1344
Beta Ratio : 2/20=6/20
Flow Rate : 9 To 11 gpm
Gasket I.D. (Inches) : 2.01"
Media Type : Cellulose
Oil Filter Gasket O.D. (Inches) : 2.49"
Oil Filter Gasket Thickness (Inches) : .146"
Oil Filter Height (Inches) : 4.069"
Oil Filter O.D. (Inches) : 3.242"
Oil Filter Style : Spin-On Lube Filter
Burst Pressure : 360 psi
Gasket I.D. (mm) : 51 mm
Oil Filter Gasket O.D. (mm) : 63 mm
Oil Filter Gasket Thickness (mm) : 4 mm
Oil Filter Height (mm) : 103 mm
Oil Filter O.D. (mm) : 82 mm
Oil Filter Thread Size (mm) : 20x1.5 mm
Wix 51344
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 4.069
Outer Diameter Top: 3.242
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed:
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Burst Pressure-PSI: 360
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
$5.81 each here.
http://www.fleetfilter.com/filter/wi...ers/51344.html
These are the numbers from the manufacturers.
Wix 57356 maxima filter
Style:Spin-On Lube
FilterService:Lube
Type:Full Flow
Media:Paper
Height:3.402
Outer Diameter Top:2.685
Outer Diameter Bottom:Closed
Thread Size:20X1.5 MM
Burst Pressure-PSI:363
Anti-Drain Back Valve:Yes
Beta Ratio:2/20=6/20
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI:8-11
Max Flow Rate:9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating:21
Napa 1344
Beta Ratio : 2/20=6/20
Flow Rate : 9 To 11 gpm
Gasket I.D. (Inches) : 2.01"
Media Type : Cellulose
Oil Filter Gasket O.D. (Inches) : 2.49"
Oil Filter Gasket Thickness (Inches) : .146"
Oil Filter Height (Inches) : 4.069"
Oil Filter O.D. (Inches) : 3.242"
Oil Filter Style : Spin-On Lube Filter
Burst Pressure : 360 psi
Gasket I.D. (mm) : 51 mm
Oil Filter Gasket O.D. (mm) : 63 mm
Oil Filter Gasket Thickness (mm) : 4 mm
Oil Filter Height (mm) : 103 mm
Oil Filter O.D. (mm) : 82 mm
Oil Filter Thread Size (mm) : 20x1.5 mm
Wix 51344
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 4.069
Outer Diameter Top: 3.242
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed:
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Burst Pressure-PSI: 360
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
$5.81 each here.
http://www.fleetfilter.com/filter/wi...ers/51344.html
Last edited by asand1; 12-16-2012 at 01:28 PM.
#47
Ok I just did the oil change and put in a Napa 51344 filter (made by wix) and everything is ok. The first thing I noticed is that I was able to fill up 4.2L ad opposed to my regular 3.9 or 4L (out of 4.4L total capacity. On start up the oil light doesn't even flicker. I'm gonna drive to work now and see how she does. Btw I also realized that the dipstick sucks. The high/low and hatch patter side is always lathered with oil, the backside of it is accurate... You can't see the hatch pattern but the h and l are still visible.
#48
This x10. Oil pressure at start-up is already low enough but as long as it is a good filter and it flows well it should make no difference the size of the filter. I would just be curious to know how it effects pressure at start-up where it matters. I even pondered switching to a 0w oil to help this
Last edited by carsnwomen91; 12-16-2012 at 03:21 PM.
#49
The research was.already done... As long as its the same gasket size (off by 1mm), thread pitch, bypass setting, nearly the same burst pressure too and fits in its area It should be good.
There's no Need to be a worry wart about much else... I mean its basically like a maxima filter but slightly larger with nearly identical specs. The main thing is there's plenty.of.oil for the engine and.its.still filtering it
Btw mine cost me $14... Stupid Canada -_-
There's no Need to be a worry wart about much else... I mean its basically like a maxima filter but slightly larger with nearly identical specs. The main thing is there's plenty.of.oil for the engine and.its.still filtering it
Btw mine cost me $14... Stupid Canada -_-
Last edited by carsnwomen91; 12-16-2012 at 12:53 PM.
#50
According to the guys at Bob Is The Oil Guy, The 1182 filter will out flow any engine you could put it on.I went to NAPA today and picked up an 1182. This thing looks bigger than a Chevy 350 filter. I paid $8.19 at the NAPA in BFE here, so I'm sure its cheaper in other locations. It is cheaper than a stock sized K&N that filters less. The price between the Gold 7356 and 1182 is only $0.50.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...gonew=1#UNREAD
![](http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r264/asandberg6/NAPA11821_zps82404b21.jpg)
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...gonew=1#UNREAD
![](http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r264/asandberg6/NAPA11821_zps82404b21.jpg)
![](http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r264/asandberg6/NAPA1182_zpsfef3cbd0.jpg)
Last edited by asand1; 12-23-2012 at 04:07 PM.
#51
I now use Honda's 15400-PLM-A01 oil filters (same size as the 9E000 Nissan one). Honda went back to the Japanese company Filtech to make their OE filters, so they are better constructed with steel end caps, and even feels heavier than the old POS Fram-made Honda units with cardboard end caps.
#52
Ok not so good news. Napa 1182 + 49* X 3000RPM = rattling.
Next I will try a 1347 with 8-11psi bypass.
Edit
I went ahead and installed a 1347.
Here's the Oil Filter's specs:
Part Number: 51347
Media: Paper
Height: 4.828
Outer Diameter Top: 2.921
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20
Max Flow 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Burst Pressure-PSI: 325
Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.734 2.430 0.226
This filter is a dead ringer.
Borrowed this pic from my 350z
Click this bar to view the full image.
Next I will try a 1347 with 8-11psi bypass.
Edit
I went ahead and installed a 1347.
Here's the Oil Filter's specs:
Part Number: 51347
Media: Paper
Height: 4.828
Outer Diameter Top: 2.921
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20
Max Flow 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Burst Pressure-PSI: 325
Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.734 2.430 0.226
This filter is a dead ringer.
Borrowed this pic from my 350z
![](http://forums.maxima.org/images/statusicon/wol_error.gif)
![](http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/bikinilust/OilFilterComparison-sidebyside.jpg)
Last edited by asand1; 02-11-2013 at 07:02 PM.
#53
Today Im going to NAPA to pick up a 21626 for $3.99 regular price. It is 3.66" dia x 3.8" ht, it is also 9-11PSI and 9-11GPM. It is the same diameter as the 1182 filter I initially tried.
#54
Yes, I've been using 51356 for years and I guess I'll upgrade to 51334 or 51344 staying with that designed bypass pressure of 8-11 psi (differential pressure) and the correct gasket Id/Od or super close for the 51344.....anyway that extra flowrate and volume is a good thing...I'll pickup (2) 51344 filters and install that today.....
#55
NAPAs' Silver 1334 (31334) is only $2.54 here. The 1344 only has six small inlet holes, I would not run it.
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...334_0337113140
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...334_0337113140
#57
I cut a hole in my shield to clear the really big filter.
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