4th gen turbo kit ....very close!
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Originally posted by nigelcmf
Okay
So I didn't manage to speak to the owner, I spoke to one of his guys in the office. And apologize for a slight misunderstanding over price.
I need to clear up a couple of things:
1. I told him I was on a tight budget. He will be using my existing Y pipe...I just put it on so it's new. If you want to ship him a Y pipe, the price will be the same, if not then the price will be additional...I'll have to speak to the owner to straighten out the exact cost...probably $230 or so is my guess.
2. On the warranty stuff...it's mostly manufacturer's warranty for parts (turbo, wastegate and intercooler). The piping warranty I'll have to work out with the owner. He cannot and will not guarantee your motor will not explode....and he will challenge you to find a turbo manufacturer who will warranty a normally aspirated engine to work with a Turbo. Also you are able to set the boost to anything up to 20 lbs so he definitely can't do that. Get your engine compression checked before installation because if your compression is already bad, this will speed up the deterioration. If you don't like these conditions DON'T BUY!Does Place Racing/WSP guarantee their CAI's will not damage your motor? I know the is highly unlikely thing to happen but it is possible with a CAI. What if your motor blows up after you put on a y pipe...do you think Cattman/Stillen/Warpspeed would accept responsibility?
3. These kits are not CARB certified... whatever that means...I am not sure...he said very few kits are...only Greddy make "CARB" certified...and they don't do one for the Maxima anyway.
4. I also asked about passing emissions - This guy didn't know for sure but said if it can pass with a Y pipe without precats then it should be able to pass with the turbo....but again he wasn't 100% sure....have to ask the owner.
Anyway, they will be placing my orders tomorrow. It will take 1.5 weeks to start not 1 week... I will try to put all this information together into my original post so it is convenient to see what you get all in one place...
Okay
So I didn't manage to speak to the owner, I spoke to one of his guys in the office. And apologize for a slight misunderstanding over price.
I need to clear up a couple of things:
1. I told him I was on a tight budget. He will be using my existing Y pipe...I just put it on so it's new. If you want to ship him a Y pipe, the price will be the same, if not then the price will be additional...I'll have to speak to the owner to straighten out the exact cost...probably $230 or so is my guess.
2. On the warranty stuff...it's mostly manufacturer's warranty for parts (turbo, wastegate and intercooler). The piping warranty I'll have to work out with the owner. He cannot and will not guarantee your motor will not explode....and he will challenge you to find a turbo manufacturer who will warranty a normally aspirated engine to work with a Turbo. Also you are able to set the boost to anything up to 20 lbs so he definitely can't do that. Get your engine compression checked before installation because if your compression is already bad, this will speed up the deterioration. If you don't like these conditions DON'T BUY!Does Place Racing/WSP guarantee their CAI's will not damage your motor? I know the is highly unlikely thing to happen but it is possible with a CAI. What if your motor blows up after you put on a y pipe...do you think Cattman/Stillen/Warpspeed would accept responsibility?
3. These kits are not CARB certified... whatever that means...I am not sure...he said very few kits are...only Greddy make "CARB" certified...and they don't do one for the Maxima anyway.
4. I also asked about passing emissions - This guy didn't know for sure but said if it can pass with a Y pipe without precats then it should be able to pass with the turbo....but again he wasn't 100% sure....have to ask the owner.
Anyway, they will be placing my orders tomorrow. It will take 1.5 weeks to start not 1 week... I will try to put all this information together into my original post so it is convenient to see what you get all in one place...
ahhhh i see, not including labor. i always thought it was including labor, then i take back what i said and i do belive its possible for around 3k. installation and realibility will be another issue. T3 would be a better choice over the straight to4e. There are other sizes available also to choose form.
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Walbro is $113
Originally posted by nigelcmf
Well this was the advice of the "expert" I did check out what you said and I think you are probably right....I have to admit it! However, there is not a big cost diff between this and the T3. I think it was like $40...but I am not sure. I did ask about the T3 though.
I checked it out and you probably don't need this (TO4e) unless you have a 3.4L engine running @ 6000 rpm and 12 lbs of boost. You can run a T3 on ours to about 14-15 lbs. I will ask more details on this though.
In any case, I think he would allow you to select your own turbocharger. That is all negotiable. This is all custom not one size fits all. Thanks a lot for bringing this up! Any comments about the other stuff?
The price is for kit only. I am in the middle of negotiating price for install. What do you think would be a fair price for install? It kind of depends on how long it takes them to fit mine out also...but reasonable feedback would be good.
Oh for fuel pump...that's stock...this is a budget setup remember. You should be OK at 5-7 lbs of boost. Go much higher and he recommends getting a Walboro or better. I think Walboro's are around the $150-$180 mark.
As far as exhaust work is concerned, he uses a muffler shop here. Don't know if they would be willing to do the pipework and just sell that.
Well this was the advice of the "expert" I did check out what you said and I think you are probably right....I have to admit it! However, there is not a big cost diff between this and the T3. I think it was like $40...but I am not sure. I did ask about the T3 though.
I checked it out and you probably don't need this (TO4e) unless you have a 3.4L engine running @ 6000 rpm and 12 lbs of boost. You can run a T3 on ours to about 14-15 lbs. I will ask more details on this though.
In any case, I think he would allow you to select your own turbocharger. That is all negotiable. This is all custom not one size fits all. Thanks a lot for bringing this up! Any comments about the other stuff?
The price is for kit only. I am in the middle of negotiating price for install. What do you think would be a fair price for install? It kind of depends on how long it takes them to fit mine out also...but reasonable feedback would be good.
Oh for fuel pump...that's stock...this is a budget setup remember. You should be OK at 5-7 lbs of boost. Go much higher and he recommends getting a Walboro or better. I think Walboro's are around the $150-$180 mark.
As far as exhaust work is concerned, he uses a muffler shop here. Don't know if they would be willing to do the pipework and just sell that.
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you seem to know alot about turbo's for someone who wants to stay N/A 
Originally posted by skimax
imo the price is reasonable if thats just for the kit. but to4e!!!!!!!!!!!!! what are you thinking, do you know how that
is going to be????? i hope there's a typo there like a t3 in
front of the to4e. a straight to4e is OVERKILL for your app.
also what fuel pump is included?
imo the price is reasonable if thats just for the kit. but to4e!!!!!!!!!!!!! what are you thinking, do you know how that
is going to be????? i hope there's a typo there like a t3 in
front of the to4e. a straight to4e is OVERKILL for your app.
also what fuel pump is included?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: 4th gen turbo kit ....very close!
Originally posted by SprintMax
Walbro is $113
Walbro is $113
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 4th gen turbo kit ....very close!
Originally posted by nigelcmf
Thanks! I was kind of guessing. That's good info for me. I may just get it and put it in then if it is just $113 more. Is that for the 255lph? The shop had an in-tank one (not Walbro) pumping 340lph that's new. Not sure of $$$
Thanks! I was kind of guessing. That's good info for me. I may just get it and put it in then if it is just $113 more. Is that for the 255lph? The shop had an in-tank one (not Walbro) pumping 340lph that's new. Not sure of $$$
and the 255 already runs rich and handles what it needs.. if i need to go higher than that.. i will get a Z32TT pump.. that pump will handle up to 1000 hp.. thats what the SupraTT guys upgrade to when their Toyota Pump can't handle the power anymore
http://www.autoperformanceengineering.com/
its the 2nd Gen DSM Pump.. FPD006 - $113 on his site..
GSS342 anywhere else..
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Originally posted by nigelcmf
Well this was the advice of the "expert" I did check out what you said and I think you are probably right....I have to admit it! However, there is not a big cost diff between this and the T3. I think it was like $40...but I am not sure. I did ask about the T3 though.
I checked it out and you probably don't need this (TO4e) unless you have a 3.4L engine running @ 6000 rpm and 12 lbs of boost. You can run a T3 on ours to about 14-15 lbs. I will ask more details on this though.
In any case, I think he would allow you to select your own turbocharger. That is all negotiable. This is all custom not one size fits all. Thanks a lot for bringing this up! Any comments about the other stuff?
The price is for kit only. I am in the middle of negotiating price for install. What do you think would be a fair price for install? It kind of depends on how long it takes them to fit mine out also...but reasonable feedback would be good.
Oh for fuel pump...that's stock...this is a budget setup remember. You should be OK at 5-7 lbs of boost. Go much higher and he recommends getting a Walboro or better. I think Walboro's are around the $150-$180 mark.
As far as exhaust work is concerned, he uses a muffler shop here. Don't know if they would be willing to do the pipework and just sell that.
Well this was the advice of the "expert" I did check out what you said and I think you are probably right....I have to admit it! However, there is not a big cost diff between this and the T3. I think it was like $40...but I am not sure. I did ask about the T3 though.
I checked it out and you probably don't need this (TO4e) unless you have a 3.4L engine running @ 6000 rpm and 12 lbs of boost. You can run a T3 on ours to about 14-15 lbs. I will ask more details on this though.
In any case, I think he would allow you to select your own turbocharger. That is all negotiable. This is all custom not one size fits all. Thanks a lot for bringing this up! Any comments about the other stuff?
The price is for kit only. I am in the middle of negotiating price for install. What do you think would be a fair price for install? It kind of depends on how long it takes them to fit mine out also...but reasonable feedback would be good.
Oh for fuel pump...that's stock...this is a budget setup remember. You should be OK at 5-7 lbs of boost. Go much higher and he recommends getting a Walboro or better. I think Walboro's are around the $150-$180 mark.
As far as exhaust work is concerned, he uses a muffler shop here. Don't know if they would be willing to do the pipework and just sell that.
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Nigle, your gonna have to show me all this when you get done, Im over in Windsor! I dont have the money at the time to get something like this but might later on. I would like to see it though to see if it would end up being worth the money so drop me a line when you get it finished!
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I'm deffinetly in, if this kit works I want one. I'll say this the first person that makes this possible will get my order. I've always wanted a turbo on our cars. I think major manufacturer should take interest in this kit. It seems to me that a lot of poeple are interested from the posts I've read. Make this happen and I'll get one. Thanks for taking the time to make this happen let us know!
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Originally posted by skimax
btw, i don't know why turbomax hasn't brought this up but is the kit going to be for both auto/manual or only manual?
btw, i don't know why turbomax hasn't brought this up but is the kit going to be for both auto/manual or only manual?
if the fuel pump is only $120 or whatever, id say get it..thats pretty good price. dont cheap out on the fuel system. I assume he's gonna use some kind of boost dependant fuel pressure regulator?
how much does he estimate for labor? i mean if i were to do it id be charging over 800 for installation, more depending on complexity of the kit. juss tapping the oil return line would take 4+ hours.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: 4th gen turbo kit ....very close!
Originally posted by skimax
sorry buddy, but stock fuel pump is not going to flow 5-7psi of boost. i say 4psi at most. straight t04e is overkill, you are going to have MAJOR lag. that turbo is for ppl who want major power, for ppl that want to run 1.5 bar and has longgggggggg gears.
sorry buddy, but stock fuel pump is not going to flow 5-7psi of boost. i say 4psi at most. straight t04e is overkill, you are going to have MAJOR lag. that turbo is for ppl who want major power, for ppl that want to run 1.5 bar and has longgggggggg gears.
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Just for reference, SCC did a low boost turbo install in a Nissan 240sx. They said even at about 4-5 psi, the injectors were approaching 100% duty cycle. This is with the Vortech FPR. They also suspected that the fuel pump was working pretty hard but they said they would fake it since the car was fairly new. Just for safety reasons, I would consider the upgraded fuel pump. Another example is the 4-gen SC installations. They all come w/ at least a inline boost a pump for fuel and they are running at about 6psi or more.
Originally posted by nigelcmf
I have to disagree wuth you on this point I think. There are a few who run with 100 shot of NOS with no problems. It gets marginal up there but doable. Like I said though...for about $100 more I might consider the Walbro
I have to disagree wuth you on this point I think. There are a few who run with 100 shot of NOS with no problems. It gets marginal up there but doable. Like I said though...for about $100 more I might consider the Walbro
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Originally posted by nigelcmf
I have to disagree wuth you on this point I think. There are a few who run with 100 shot of NOS with no problems. It gets marginal up there but doable. Like I said though...for about $100 more I might consider the Walbro
I have to disagree wuth you on this point I think. There are a few who run with 100 shot of NOS with no problems. It gets marginal up there but doable. Like I said though...for about $100 more I might consider the Walbro
Originally posted by Craig Mack
For $2700 shouldn't a turbo kit come with larger injectors ?
Or is that considered budget chump change
For $2700 shouldn't a turbo kit come with larger injectors ?
Or is that considered budget chump change
No! Injectors are expensive and they need a total ecu recal in order to work! Have you priced out turbo kits for other cars?
Originally posted by Craig Mack
For $2700 shouldn't a turbo kit come with larger injectors ? Or is that considered budget chump change
For $2700 shouldn't a turbo kit come with larger injectors ?
Or is that considered budget chump change
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Originally posted by nigelcmf
I have to disagree wuth you on this point I think. There are a few who run with 100 shot of NOS with no problems. It gets marginal up there but doable. Like I said though...for about $100 more I might consider the Walbro
I have to disagree wuth you on this point I think. There are a few who run with 100 shot of NOS with no problems. It gets marginal up there but doable. Like I said though...for about $100 more I might consider the Walbro
btw even used 3ztt/s14 injectors cost $240 for all 6, thats if you get hooked up and find a dummy seller.
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on what jeff has said... i've talked to alot of ser ppl and they even get 370cc injectors for a lil 6psi setup since the stock ones max out. i'm not 100% sure but i think the sr20 ones are slightly bigger then ours (vq).
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I think we should be patient and see if it works. The man already said that his car will be the test bunny, so let's show him support. I don't see anyone giving up their car for any product testing. I hope he is succesful and that this kit will be available. Out of respect we should flame the guy for trying to get something done for our cars.
Originally posted by max7
I think we should be patient and see if it works. The man already said that his car will be the test bunny, so let's show him support. I don't see anyone giving up their car for any product testing. I hope he is succesful and that this kit will be available. Out of respect we should flame the guy for trying to get something done for our cars.
I think we should be patient and see if it works. The man already said that his car will be the test bunny, so let's show him support. I don't see anyone giving up their car for any product testing. I hope he is succesful and that this kit will be available. Out of respect we should flame the guy for trying to get something done for our cars.
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Just to answer a few q's
On the Turbo size, the main reason for using a TO4e and not a T3/T4 etc was purely because of flange size of the TO3. For our size of Y pipe, the flow would be much better on a TO4e. The TO4e is probably overkill in terms of providing the necessary boost, but imagine trying to force a lot of air into a tiny space and back out into a wide pipe again....so basically it's for flow control. The T3's would almost choke the system. If they did a larger flowing T3, that would be fine...but that's what a T4 is....well kind a!
As far as the fuel pump is concerned...he said it would be good to have a stronger pump, but not 100% necessary. The pumps they have are around $190...not Walbros. I can buy my own and fit it. They don't seem to like Walbros and won't stock it.....don't know why.
As far as injectors and stuff...I have been hearing you guys want an inexpensive Turbo kit. Throw in injectors and stuff and it ain't cheap anymore!
I'm sure we will continue to have opinions on these subjects. I will go with the recommendation. I will add the fuel pump (for $113 it's cheap). With the size of our engine and the pipe, the Turbo should be spooled up at about 3000rpm.
Oh, I was wrong about 100 shot...heheh...must have been sucking on my NOS at the time... I think 70 shot was as high as any one has gone with stock pump...
Any more q's?
On the Turbo size, the main reason for using a TO4e and not a T3/T4 etc was purely because of flange size of the TO3. For our size of Y pipe, the flow would be much better on a TO4e. The TO4e is probably overkill in terms of providing the necessary boost, but imagine trying to force a lot of air into a tiny space and back out into a wide pipe again....so basically it's for flow control. The T3's would almost choke the system. If they did a larger flowing T3, that would be fine...but that's what a T4 is....well kind a!
As far as the fuel pump is concerned...he said it would be good to have a stronger pump, but not 100% necessary. The pumps they have are around $190...not Walbros. I can buy my own and fit it. They don't seem to like Walbros and won't stock it.....don't know why.
As far as injectors and stuff...I have been hearing you guys want an inexpensive Turbo kit. Throw in injectors and stuff and it ain't cheap anymore!
I'm sure we will continue to have opinions on these subjects. I will go with the recommendation. I will add the fuel pump (for $113 it's cheap). With the size of our engine and the pipe, the Turbo should be spooled up at about 3000rpm.
Oh, I was wrong about 100 shot...heheh...must have been sucking on my NOS at the time... I think 70 shot was as high as any one has gone with stock pump...
Any more q's?
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Originally posted by nigelcmf
With the size of our engine and the pipe, the Turbo should be spooled up at about 3000rpm.
Any more q's?:
With the size of our engine and the pipe, the Turbo should be spooled up at about 3000rpm.
Any more q's?:
Well, the 5spd with Cbr2 would only be about $1300 - my auto tranny, but your base kit around $2700 correct ? For some reason I feel ashamed that i'm driving a 3spd auto with overdrive.
Are you auto or manual ? Also keep in mind it will be alot more than 2700 cause we gotta pay install and we gotta pay to get our tranny's built tougher to handle the boost.
[sprintmax]I think I see 5 gears in my future
[/sprintmax]Deezo, automatics will still be #1 in my heart.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 4th gen turbo kit ....very close!
Originally posted by SprintMax
yeah thats 255lph..
and the 255 already runs rich and handles what it needs.. if i need to go higher than that.. i will get a Z32TT pump.. that pump will handle up to 1000 hp.. thats what the SupraTT guys upgrade to when their Toyota Pump can't handle the power anymore
http://www.autoperformanceengineering.com/
its the 2nd Gen DSM Pump.. FPD006 - $113 on his site..
GSS342 anywhere else..
yeah thats 255lph..
and the 255 already runs rich and handles what it needs.. if i need to go higher than that.. i will get a Z32TT pump.. that pump will handle up to 1000 hp.. thats what the SupraTT guys upgrade to when their Toyota Pump can't handle the power anymore
http://www.autoperformanceengineering.com/
its the 2nd Gen DSM Pump.. FPD006 - $113 on his site..
GSS342 anywhere else..
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Originally posted by Craig Mack
Yea, should I buy your turbo kit or convert to 5spd ?
Well, the 5spd with Cbr2 would only be about $1300 - my auto tranny, but your base kit around $2700 correct ? For some reason I feel ashamed that i'm driving a 3spd auto with overdrive.
Are you auto or manual ? Also keep in mind it will be alot more than 2700 cause we gotta pay install and we gotta pay to get our tranny's built tougher to handle the boost.
[sprintmax]I think I see 5 gears in my future [/sprintmax]
Dude....I can't decide for you. Mine is a five speed. This Turbo will be designed around a '97 Maxima 5 sp SE. For Auto tranny...hmmm that's something to bear in mind. Not sure how many auto trannies are interested in Turbo. I know the gearboxes are bigger...that's about all I know about it.
Any other comments? Yeah if we can do one for both, that would be ideal. Anyone got comparison dimensions?
As far as installation and stuff....I am trying to get a bolt-on or as close to bolt on as you can get. That's all I can do to keep installation costs down.
Deezo, automatics will still be #1 in my heart.
Yea, should I buy your turbo kit or convert to 5spd ?
Well, the 5spd with Cbr2 would only be about $1300 - my auto tranny, but your base kit around $2700 correct ? For some reason I feel ashamed that i'm driving a 3spd auto with overdrive.
Are you auto or manual ? Also keep in mind it will be alot more than 2700 cause we gotta pay install and we gotta pay to get our tranny's built tougher to handle the boost.
[sprintmax]I think I see 5 gears in my future
[/sprintmax]Dude....I can't decide for you. Mine is a five speed. This Turbo will be designed around a '97 Maxima 5 sp SE. For Auto tranny...hmmm that's something to bear in mind. Not sure how many auto trannies are interested in Turbo. I know the gearboxes are bigger...that's about all I know about it.
Any other comments? Yeah if we can do one for both, that would be ideal. Anyone got comparison dimensions?
As far as installation and stuff....I am trying to get a bolt-on or as close to bolt on as you can get. That's all I can do to keep installation costs down.
Deezo, automatics will still be #1 in my heart.
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Originally posted by MadMax95
One more question...
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It's been asked without answer...
One more question...
Where in Co. are you?
It's been asked without answer...
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Originally posted by nigelcmf
Just to answer a few q's
On the Turbo size, the main reason for using a TO4e and not a T3/T4 etc was purely because of flange size of the TO3. For our size of Y pipe, the flow would be much better on a TO4e. The TO4e is probably overkill in terms of providing the necessary boost, but imagine trying to force a lot of air into a tiny space and back out into a wide pipe again....so basically it's for flow control. The T3's would almost choke the system. If they did a larger flowing T3, that would be fine...but that's what a T4 is....well kind a!
As far as the fuel pump is concerned...he said it would be good to have a stronger pump, but not 100% necessary. The pumps they have are around $190...not Walbros. I can buy my own and fit it. They don't seem to like Walbros and won't stock it.....don't know why.
As far as injectors and stuff...I have been hearing you guys want an inexpensive Turbo kit. Throw in injectors and stuff and it ain't cheap anymore!
I'm sure we will continue to have opinions on these subjects. I will go with the recommendation. I will add the fuel pump (for $113 it's cheap). With the size of our engine and the pipe, the Turbo should be spooled up at about 3000rpm.
Oh, I was wrong about 100 shot...heheh...must have been sucking on my NOS at the time... I think 70 shot was as high as any one has gone with stock pump...
Any more q's?
Just to answer a few q's
On the Turbo size, the main reason for using a TO4e and not a T3/T4 etc was purely because of flange size of the TO3. For our size of Y pipe, the flow would be much better on a TO4e. The TO4e is probably overkill in terms of providing the necessary boost, but imagine trying to force a lot of air into a tiny space and back out into a wide pipe again....so basically it's for flow control. The T3's would almost choke the system. If they did a larger flowing T3, that would be fine...but that's what a T4 is....well kind a!
As far as the fuel pump is concerned...he said it would be good to have a stronger pump, but not 100% necessary. The pumps they have are around $190...not Walbros. I can buy my own and fit it. They don't seem to like Walbros and won't stock it.....don't know why.
As far as injectors and stuff...I have been hearing you guys want an inexpensive Turbo kit. Throw in injectors and stuff and it ain't cheap anymore!
I'm sure we will continue to have opinions on these subjects. I will go with the recommendation. I will add the fuel pump (for $113 it's cheap). With the size of our engine and the pipe, the Turbo should be spooled up at about 3000rpm.
Oh, I was wrong about 100 shot...heheh...must have been sucking on my NOS at the time... I think 70 shot was as high as any one has gone with stock pump...
Any more q's?
i have a T3/T04e turbo setup WITH turbo cams and i get full boost right about 3k. I can get 2psi at 2200rpm. I had that turbo built for the main purpose of minimal turbo lag.
theres no way you will reach FULL boost near 3k on a to4e turbo. you might be able to get a few pounds.