camber kit/air ride
06-23-2002, 10:21 AM
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camber kit/air ride
ok well here it is guys...ill try to explain this as good as i can...i am gonna get air ride within 2 weeks but i dont have a cmaber kit and i really dont wanna buy one so this is my question.....obviously when i have my car slammed (or anyhtign lower than 2 inches of stock height) my car will be off camber......if i raise my car to stock height and go get an alignment and dirve around at sstock height, will ym camber be perfected??? thats the best way i can describe this right now....if u guys need anymore info just say so....thanx, Tom
06-23-2002, 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by flabarm
I dont know the answer to your question, but I was wondering how much you were paying for your kit, and how much to get installed.
I dont know the answer to your question, but I was wondering how much you were paying for your kit, and how much to get installed.
06-23-2002, 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by chigga
i wanted to get that for my max too. how much is the diff. in ride with it?? ur max is hot hockeyghst....
i wanted to get that for my max too. how much is the diff. in ride with it?? ur max is hot hockeyghst....
06-23-2002, 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by flabarm
How much lift/drop are you going to get with the air ride. Can you drop it to the ground?
How much lift/drop are you going to get with the air ride. Can you drop it to the ground?
06-23-2002, 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by pro
Damn, that will be hot. I wish I had that kind of money. How much of a drop can you do and still drive it? I dont think you will be able to move with a 5 inch drop (am I right).
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Damn, that will be hot. I wish I had that kind of money. How much of a drop can you do and still drive it? I dont think you will be able to move with a 5 inch drop (am I right).
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Paul
PS....my question stiull isnt answered
06-24-2002, 01:55 PM
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Why not Bag it?
I've heard that air ride sucks because it is really harsh, plus its expensive. Anyone have air bags instead of air struts? I can get my car bagged for give or take $900-1000 because i have the hook up, the thing is i want to still be able to drive it hard and not feel like the car is floating, or be bone jarring.
06-24-2002, 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by Tifosi
Let's say if your stock camber is 0 degree (for argument sake), when you drop your car to 5 inches or what not, there'll be a huge amount of negative camber. And when you raise the car back to stock, your camber will go back to 0 degree. In race cars, we first setup ride height, then we'll setup camber according to the track. Because if you setup camber first, then if you mess with the ride height, your camber will vary (more negative camber if you lower your car, more positive camber when you raise the car). But unfortunately in your case, there is no camber adjustment, only ride height adjustment. If you plan to drive the car dropped more often than stock, you'll want to get the camber kit so your camber is closer back to 0 (again for argument sake), then you'll have more contact patch on the road. Plus, when your camber is so excessive in the front, you car won't be as nimble and lose a lot of off power steering. The only time we'll setup a car with big amount of front camber angle is when the track has fast sweeping corners, because you'll put more load on the outside tires in those situation and that will allow the tire more angle (degree) to go back to 0 degree which means the most contact patch to the road possible. I hope this somewhat answered your question.
Let's say if your stock camber is 0 degree (for argument sake), when you drop your car to 5 inches or what not, there'll be a huge amount of negative camber. And when you raise the car back to stock, your camber will go back to 0 degree. In race cars, we first setup ride height, then we'll setup camber according to the track. Because if you setup camber first, then if you mess with the ride height, your camber will vary (more negative camber if you lower your car, more positive camber when you raise the car). But unfortunately in your case, there is no camber adjustment, only ride height adjustment. If you plan to drive the car dropped more often than stock, you'll want to get the camber kit so your camber is closer back to 0 (again for argument sake), then you'll have more contact patch on the road. Plus, when your camber is so excessive in the front, you car won't be as nimble and lose a lot of off power steering. The only time we'll setup a car with big amount of front camber angle is when the track has fast sweeping corners, because you'll put more load on the outside tires in those situation and that will allow the tire more angle (degree) to go back to 0 degree which means the most contact patch to the road possible. I hope this somewhat answered your question.
basically if i drive with my air ride UP (stock height) i WONT need a camber kit.....but if i plan to drive with it lowered then i will need some type of cmaber kit...correct???
please tell me thats what u mean.....i hope ur right cuz now im in a good mood
06-25-2002, 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by Tifosi
Let's say if your stock camber is 0 degree (for argument sake), when you drop your car to 5 inches or what not, there'll be a huge amount of negative camber. And when you raise the car back to stock, your camber will go back to 0 degree. In race cars, we first setup ride height, then we'll setup camber according to the track. Because if you setup camber first, then if you mess with the ride height, your camber will vary (more negative camber if you lower your car, more positive camber when you raise the car). But unfortunately in your case, there is no camber adjustment, only ride height adjustment. If you plan to drive the car dropped more often than stock, you'll want to get the camber kit so your camber is closer back to 0 (again for argument sake), then you'll have more contact patch on the road. Plus, when your camber is so excessive in the front, you car won't be as nimble and lose a lot of off power steering. The only time we'll setup a car with big amount of front camber angle is when the track has fast sweeping corners, because you'll put more load on the outside tires in those situation and that will allow the tire more angle (degree) to go back to 0 degree which means the most contact patch to the road possible. I hope this somewhat answered your question.
Let's say if your stock camber is 0 degree (for argument sake), when you drop your car to 5 inches or what not, there'll be a huge amount of negative camber. And when you raise the car back to stock, your camber will go back to 0 degree. In race cars, we first setup ride height, then we'll setup camber according to the track. Because if you setup camber first, then if you mess with the ride height, your camber will vary (more negative camber if you lower your car, more positive camber when you raise the car). But unfortunately in your case, there is no camber adjustment, only ride height adjustment. If you plan to drive the car dropped more often than stock, you'll want to get the camber kit so your camber is closer back to 0 (again for argument sake), then you'll have more contact patch on the road. Plus, when your camber is so excessive in the front, you car won't be as nimble and lose a lot of off power steering. The only time we'll setup a car with big amount of front camber angle is when the track has fast sweeping corners, because you'll put more load on the outside tires in those situation and that will allow the tire more angle (degree) to go back to 0 degree which means the most contact patch to the road possible. I hope this somewhat answered your question.
once i get my air ride installed and i have it at stock height would it be a good idea to go get an aligment....and if i do get an alignment will i t screw up my alignment if i drive with my car slammed for a short period of time??? do u get what im trying to say.i wanna do everyhting i cna so that when i am driving at normal/higheway speeds i feel no shaking and i want to have my tred last a logn time..thanx!
06-25-2002, 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by Tifosi
Hi again...
If you install your air ride and drive at stock height, your alignment will stay the same as before you had installed air ride. Once you have dropped and lower the stock height or even raise above stock height, your camber will change. If you still want to drive fast, I highly recommend stock height, or whatever height you got your alignment done at. Lowering it a lot will significantly reduce contact patch and increase negative camber..... not good for driving!
Here's a little explanation of what an alignment job consists of...
Caster
The angle between a vertical line through the tire's center and the steering axis.
Camber
The measure of the angle from the top of a tire either toward or away from the vehicle. Positive camber tilts away from the vehicle, negative camber tilts toward the vehicle.
Toe
The measurement between the front and rear of the tires on the same axle. Toe-in puts the tires closer at the front, while toe-out means they are closer at the rear.
Your caster and toe will most likely stay constant with different ride height, it's the camber you have to worry about.
Honestly, dropping excessively is really for short distance show driving, not really for normal driving, I wouldn't even recommend driving to your local grocery store that low.
Hope this helps!
Hi again...
If you install your air ride and drive at stock height, your alignment will stay the same as before you had installed air ride. Once you have dropped and lower the stock height or even raise above stock height, your camber will change. If you still want to drive fast, I highly recommend stock height, or whatever height you got your alignment done at. Lowering it a lot will significantly reduce contact patch and increase negative camber..... not good for driving!
Here's a little explanation of what an alignment job consists of...
Caster
The angle between a vertical line through the tire's center and the steering axis.
Camber
The measure of the angle from the top of a tire either toward or away from the vehicle. Positive camber tilts away from the vehicle, negative camber tilts toward the vehicle.
Toe
The measurement between the front and rear of the tires on the same axle. Toe-in puts the tires closer at the front, while toe-out means they are closer at the rear.
Your caster and toe will most likely stay constant with different ride height, it's the camber you have to worry about.
Honestly, dropping excessively is really for short distance show driving, not really for normal driving, I wouldn't even recommend driving to your local grocery store that low.
Hope this helps!
06-26-2002, 10:24 AM
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Actually, what you do (And what I did) is installed Eibach Camber Bolts at the normal riding height. Camber's been fine since. Some tire wear, but very minor (Front). Rear-well, God helps us all (no camber adjustment for rear)...
Alex
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to call, or e-mail, as I'm not always on the board. Oh, and please don't listen to people who do not have air suspension on their car. Hearsay is usually not right
Alex
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to call, or e-mail, as I'm not always on the board. Oh, and please don't listen to people who do not have air suspension on their car. Hearsay is usually not right
06-26-2002, 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by Max8MyCash
Actually, what you do (And what I did) is installed Eibach Camber Bolts at the normal riding height. Camber's been fine since. Some tire wear, but very minor (Front). Rear-well, God helps us all (no camber adjustment for rear)...
Alex
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to call, or e-mail, as I'm not always on the board. Oh, and please don't listen to people who do not have air suspension on their car. Hearsay is usually not right
Actually, what you do (And what I did) is installed Eibach Camber Bolts at the normal riding height. Camber's been fine since. Some tire wear, but very minor (Front). Rear-well, God helps us all (no camber adjustment for rear)...
Alex
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to call, or e-mail, as I'm not always on the board. Oh, and please don't listen to people who do not have air suspension on their car. Hearsay is usually not right
06-26-2002, 11:54 AM
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What I was stating in the first place was not about you Tifosi. I was talking about people who say airride sucks yet they don't have one. Second, I am not a camber specialist by any means. What I do know is that my front end used to eat up tires by the pound. Since, I've put on the camber bolts, and tires seem to be holding up quite well (no ugly inner tire wear, hence, no noticeable negative camber). I'm not here to get technical, I want to give my personal opinion, and show people what I've done to correct potential problems.
Thanks
Alex
Thanks
Alex
06-26-2002, 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by Max8MyCash
What I was stating in the first place was not about you Tifosi. I was talking about people who say airride sucks yet they don't have one. Second, I am not a camber specialist by any means. What I do know is that my front end used to eat up tires by the pound. Since, I've put on the camber bolts, and tires seem to be holding up quite well (no ugly inner tire wear, hence, no noticeable negative camber). I'm not here to get technical, I want to give my personal opinion, and show people what I've done to correct potential problems.
Thanks
Alex
What I was stating in the first place was not about you Tifosi. I was talking about people who say airride sucks yet they don't have one. Second, I am not a camber specialist by any means. What I do know is that my front end used to eat up tires by the pound. Since, I've put on the camber bolts, and tires seem to be holding up quite well (no ugly inner tire wear, hence, no noticeable negative camber). I'm not here to get technical, I want to give my personal opinion, and show people what I've done to correct potential problems.
Thanks
Alex
I just didn't want to point people in the wrong direction. Actually thank you for clarifying the thread because this thread has been here for a week and so far no people that actually has air ride can speak of it, once again thank you for coming to the resue (so to say). I just like to learn everything about handling, curious about setups of cars.... and now I know more about air ride!!! Thank you! regards,
Dom
06-26-2002, 12:55 PM
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Alignment on AIR RIDE??? 
that's a good one.. 
What i did with mine last time was once it was all installed raise it to the hide i would drive at everyday and then get it aligned. Only real choice you have.
Camber, do as alex said, my tires were cupped and balled in 3 months after having the air ride.. YIKES..
I will need to be getting some camber bolts (alex
)
And with the new air kit you can ride with no finger gap and it will ride comfortably. Slammed, not comfortable but not good for the car either.
Which air kit did you go with?
that's a good one.. What i did with mine last time was once it was all installed raise it to the hide i would drive at everyday and then get it aligned. Only real choice you have.Camber, do as alex said, my tires were cupped and balled in 3 months after having the air ride.. YIKES..
I will need to be getting some camber bolts (alex
)And with the new air kit you can ride with no finger gap and it will ride comfortably. Slammed, not comfortable but not good for the car either.
Which air kit did you go with?
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