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Old Sep 25, 2002 | 03:50 PM
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So, I advanced the timing on my 2k...

Well, after MiniRx7's thread, I figured I'd give this a shot and see where it got me. The others who did it had 2k2 6spd's, the fastest stock Max's, so I thought it would be interesting to try it on my 2k auto, probably the slowest stock Max. Anyways, it cost me $38 for the half-hour, and was pretty painless as far as dealing with the dealer goes. That's a first for me...

Well, after some spirited driving both at lower speeds and on the freeway, I was pretty pleased overall. I noticed a definite gain in low and mid range gusto, and a little in the higher rpm's as well. I also noticed that it seemed to eliminate "dead spots", i.e. points in acceleration that the car would tend to bog a little, in particular a spot just after 80. And not that it's practical in everyday driving, but acceleration at higher speeds improved noticeably as well.

So, overall I would say that it was definitely worth the money spent. I felt larger gains than when I first put on an aftermarket intake, and possibly as much as the y-pipe, though it has been awhile since that particular butt-dyno. Now it'll be nice to see if I have any maintenance issues from it, but I don't anticipate anything.
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 03:55 PM
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Re: So, I advanced the timing on my 2k...

So, overall I would say that it was definitely worth the money spent. I felt larger gains than when I first put on an aftermarket intake, and possibly as much as the y-pipe, though it has been awhile since that particular butt-dyno. Now it'll be nice to see if I have any maintenance issues from it, but I don't anticipate anything. [/B][/QUOTE]

How far did you advance the timing, I guess I should ask how many degree, I'm thinking of doin the same.

Thanks for sharing.

Cheers

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Old Sep 25, 2002 | 04:01 PM
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Someone really needs to do a before and after dyno.
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 04:06 PM
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Oops, sorry, forgot how much. It was at 15 and we bumped it up to 18. We checked it with the gun and it was fine, so that's where we left it.

I wish I could've done a dyno as well right before or close to it, but I don't really have the time right now. I should be getting it dynoed again soon though, so if my numbers are abnormally high for just bolt-ons, that might say something.
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 04:27 PM
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I still say...

...this mod would make the BEST black/white dyno.

1)Get Consult to a dyno.
2)Make 2 or 3 BEFORE baseline runs.
3)Adjust timing.
4)Make 2-3 AFTER runs.

No different days, dynos, mods, fuel, ECU relearning, etc...error to worry about.
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 04:30 PM
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Re: I still say...

Originally posted by IceY2K1
...this mod would make the BEST black/white dyno.

1)Get Consult to a dyno.
2)Make 2 or 3 BEFORE baseline runs.
3)Adjust timing.
4)Make 2-3 AFTER runs.

No different days, dynos, mods, fuel, ECU relearning, etc...error to worry about.
Roger that!
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 05:19 PM
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John, you still running NOS? How big of a shot?
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 05:20 PM
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So the Jury is still out? I've been wondering about this, won't the stock ECU retard timing on it's own if it doesn't like the change?
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 05:45 PM
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I didn't realize the Consult was a portable unit, so it would be an extremely easy feat to get an accurate dyno, as long as you had the cooperation of the dealer.

Nauman, I still have the NOS on there, but I won't be using it anymore. I'm hoping to put the turbo on in the semi-near future, and I didn't see a need to fix the nitrous anyways for what will hopefully be a couple months. Now I definitely won't be using it. Not too big a deal though.

I read on the earlier thread that if you advanced it more than 3 degrees, it would retard it back, so at 3 degrees, we checked it with a timing gun. It was fine, so I didn't advance it any more than that. It may be possible to go more, but I was satisfied with a smaller number for the time being, seeing as how this is sorta untested and don't need to have any issues with the car right now.
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by nc00max

Nauman, I still have the NOS on there, but I won't be using it anymore. I'm hoping to put the turbo on in the semi-near future, and I didn't see a need to fix the nitrous anyways for what will hopefully be a couple months. Now I definitely won't be using it. Not too big a deal though.
i c i c...

run turbo + NOS hehehehe....
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE


i c i c...

run turbo + NOS hehehehe....
*boom*

I kinda like my engine, thanks.

Just turbo, hopefully around x-mas, but possibly spring since the ship will be underway for a while anyways, and the turbo doesn't do much good while the car is parked.
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 06:24 PM
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Wow,

I never knew i would have started a trend for advancing timing on 2k's!!!

I feel special..

ED
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by MiniRX7
Wow,

I never knew i would have started a trend for advancing timing on 2k's!!!

I feel special..

ED
What did you end up finding out about the bogging your car was doing? You said something about losing power?
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 09:06 PM
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Actually its funny,

3 techs drove my car and found it stronger than normal..

NO PROBLEMS FOUND..

i have found that after the weather got cooler, it nolonger bogs and feels like lose of power..

The dealership thinks it was a bad batch of fuel...

I think i am getting too used to 255hp.. i need 100hp more now..

Ed
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by MiniRX7
Actually its funny,

3 techs drove my car and found it stronger than normal..

NO PROBLEMS FOUND..

i have found that after the weather got cooler, it nolonger bogs and feels like lose of power..

The dealership thinks it was a bad batch of fuel...

I think i am getting too used to 255hp.. i need 100hp more now..

Ed
Dyno Tyme?
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 09:14 PM
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I wish, but after my CAYUGA run, i had no time to deal with my car at all

Best time (first time at a track and massive wheel hop)

14.61 @ 97mph with system in trunk

ED
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 09:22 PM
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Can anyone confirm if a 3* timing advance on a 2k1 cali spec is capable without any problems?
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by MiniRX7
Actually its funny,

3 techs drove my car and found it stronger than normal..

NO PROBLEMS FOUND..

i have found that after the weather got cooler, it nolonger bogs and feels like lose of power..

The dealership thinks it was a bad batch of fuel...

I think i am getting too used to 255hp.. i need 100hp more now..

Ed
Can you confirm that once the consult advances the timing 3* will it remain after the consult is disconnected or will the ecu revert it back? If possible can you get you timing verified next service visit and post up the results?
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 09:31 PM
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I will try my best Mr. Bugz.. lol

ED
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by MiniRX7
I will try my best Mr. Bugz.. lol

ED
What dealers in the Toronto area do you know that will do it?
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 09:37 PM
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I was told by both technicians that once they set the ECU, it wouldn't go back unless told to or it sensed a major problem. My concern was disconnecting the battery and having to reset the advanced timing as a result, but they both said I'd be fine.
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by nc00max
I was told by both technicians that once they set the ECU, it wouldn't go back unless told to or it sensed a major problem. My concern was disconnecting the battery and having to reset the advanced timing as a result, but they both said I'd be fine.
I guess there is only one way to find out?
Old Sep 25, 2002 | 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by BugNout


I guess there is only one way to find out?
Yep, but the best way would be to try it at the dealer and see if it sticks, so you don't end up spending the extra money of having to go back.

You have a PM.
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