How much of a threat is...a CRX 5-speed with a B16 motor against my Auto 03? Off the line, this guy at work is telling me he can spank me and it would be over in 2nd gear (for him). He's all motor, and from what I understand, he's probably got some aftermarket, possible headers, and some exhaust work done. Would I even need to torque break or manually shift on this one??


I know this is OT, but I don't have access to it, and I'd really like to know what other opinions are, so Moderators, please don't move this thread until I get some feedback (positive hopefully)


Thanks!

 

As with most threads of this nature, just go to a track and do it. Talking about it won't resolve anything.

 

I know, I know, but I figured if anyone did have any experience against this, they could tell me how easily (or not easily) I could pull away.

 

Info on the engine

 

with the crx, the engine wouldn't really matter as much as the power to weight ratio.

 

haha...your worried about a N/A 1.6 inline 4bang.... You are crazy....

You have torque and hp...all he has is vTech and weight...lol

Unless he has Nos or Turbo dont worry about it..trust me!

Put some money on it @ the track....like couple hundred.

 

You're right, I don't know what's coming over me??? I guess maybe its that mental game of his topped out with the fact that he's more experienced in racing at the track then I am. I kinda put those into perspective, but I know if I launch right and manually shift, that money should be mine!

 

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Just tell him... "you know what, win or lose, I still drive away knowing that I don't own a crappy honDUH."

 

Just make sure its not rebuilt (cams pistons rods ect)and gutted out! but at most he would be running low 15s with exhaust and intake with really good tires and launch!

 

Be careful with Hondas. They may only have four cylinders, but they can
move right along. I personally don't own a 3.5L, but I know I can't beat
all of them in my '00. Good luck.

 

We'll see what happens with all this; like most here have advised, I will take it to the track, and if I happen to lose because its an issue with launching or manually shifting, then I'll post another thread on what to do on that!

 

I have a two friends in Civics, NA, that ran high 14's on the track. I consider that pretty good.

 

Well don't take this one EZ.B16 has about 160hp,and CRX weight around 2k lbs or little less.Just make sure that he doesn't has all the bolt on like Intake,Header,Catback,Cam gear,Cam and who know ??? with the right comination those thing can prolly hit 13s.Those B16 are high rev monster 8k rpm. And have fun on the track.

 

I know he has at least some of the mentioned, probably if maybe not almost all. He ordered that B16 off the crate and has been working on it for the past month because he would give me regular updates on his project CRX. I know he said he's running a higher compression on that engine, so I guess that's also something to keep in mind. Again, he has more racing experience than I do, so this 1st win may or maynot come as easy as I'd expect.

 

I have a 2000 SE 5 speed that I bought 3 months ago. My car before that was a 1990 CRX with a B16a swap done. I had full exhaust, intake, VAFC, ecu, intake manifold and many other mods done to it. I have to say that my old CRX can beat my max. I know because I've raced it twice and he beat me both times. Don't get me wrong, I love my Max and wouldn't trade it for anything. But the CRX is still faster. Sorry.

 

*sigh* I'll make sure everyone at the Max meet I'm going to on Sat night kicks me in the a$$ for not buying the 6-speed.

 

just to clarify to the HONDA HATERES::::: never sleep on a Honda, you never know what they got under the hood...especially the stock looking ones...

I have owned my max For about 2yrs now, and use to own and still own a HONDA... don't get me wrong Nismo is the shieett... but don't forget Spoon, Mugen, real JDM cars...

but I use to own a Hatch with a H22,,, running High 13's stock all MOTOR... no turbo, no Nos, no internals.... intake and exhaust and thats about it... don't sleep on them...

and one more thing, if it wasn't for my 94'honda Accord, i don't think i would have started to get into cars...

((((remember where you came from, so you know where you're going)))))

 

Yup,that power to weight does owned you alot.HEHE!

 

I dynoed 172 hp atw in my CRX and it weighed just under 2100 lbs. The car flew. "Remember where you came from, so you know where you're going! (02'maxed-out)" My thoughts exactly.

 

Where's blubyu2k2 around when you need him........he would have an answer......I hope........

 

You tell em'!!!

 

i walked a honda civic hatch b16 in my infiniti J30...well not really a walk....i was pushing as hard as i could...i think so was he...he had black somke the whole f-in way!! never tried with the MAX...i dont waste my time!!

 

dont let that bs ricer talk fool you. nobody should talk that much **** about a car unless they are 100% sure they can wax it. for example, a maxima vs. any stock civic. if thats the case us maxima onwers can talk smack like that guy is doing.

 

Bro, he has a 2k2 6 speed incidentally. You may be right on both accounts (I lack the knowledge), but that old CRX is a hunk of crap regardless, I mean why is the starter of this thread so annoyed, let him talk his junk, that car still sucks, and i do imagine alot of the reason why he brags is out of jealousy.

 

i've seen races on the streets, i spectated and there was this one race, a tricked out audi S4 vs. an all motor civic, no clue what engine is in it, still, he wanted to race the S4 w/ slicks...S4 guy was down to race it head on, i bet 40 bucks on the S4...sadly, i lost the bet because the civic won, even though the civic mishifted 2nd gear, he got the S4 by 1/3 of a car length. I always imagine if i wanna run against the big boyz on the streets (camaro ss's, mustang gts, street illegal civics...etc.) I'd want my maxima to be somewhat around 500 hp. Only way to hit that much is all turbo, upgraded everything besides headers (dont u just hate when the developers still lag on makin em ?)...no point im makin here, just sharing whats goin on the streets in my area.

-Rey

 

If you're implying I'm annoyed, I'm not, but I really would like to get an idea what these B16's are made of. I'm not quite sure who you meant by bragging out of jealousy, but if you meant that the guy at work with the CRX who's challenging me because he's jealous, maybe you're right.

Correct me if I misunderstood.

 

OK the first thing you need too know is what bolt ons does he have. Then what has he done for weight reduction. Another huge factor is the size of his wheels. I myself have ran a b16 with full bolt ons on 17's non gutted and it was pretty close through 1st meaning he was at my rear passenger side. Once he hit 3rd me still in 2nd it was like I hit boost or something. He was impressed at my car and really thought he would pull on me but it was the complete opposite. Be careful with certain hondas like the type r swap w/ intake, exhaust and ecu that runs low 13's @ 106-107 on 185 street tires.

I would say if he has a b16 with bolt ons and gutted he will probably beat you. If he has a b16 with like intake and exhaust you should handle him unless he is gutted runnin on 13" wheels.

Hope this helps and I hope you beat him if he is so confident he will beat you.

Matt

 

Hey, how ya doin. Just wanted to put my insight on this subject. Hondas are amazing cars and their engines are just the same. If he's running a crx with a b16 you might have something to worry about, SERIOUSLY. Most stock eg's with b16's and bolt ons run mid 14's easy with streets. I even know of a guy on the site i'm on ( honda-tech ) that ran a 13.9 on streets in b16 eg with FULL INTERIOR ( only i/h/e ). Some engines just run better than others. For all those that are thinking just because it's a 4 banger that it can't contest with the mighty power of the 3.5 are in for a rude awakening when they see one good sleeper on the street. All motor sleepers are more dangerous than turbo'd or n20's hondas, mostly because you see the stock outside, hear no bov, and don't hear him spraying.

All i can tell you is that, you better have a good launch if you plan on beating him because it can and might just be a win for him. Most likely he'll be running on 15's since you said he has exp racing, and you might want to watch if he's running on dr's. Other than that, happy racing, and if you lose, don't feel bad...a nice 100 shot and you'll be beating alot more than a b16 civic lol.

 

In terms of wheels, I definetly know he's got this weird setup of 17's in the back and 15's in the front....whether that's all aesthetics or actually serves a performance purpose, is beyond me. Now as far as bolt-on's go, I think he said he's got the headers and cams, an intake, and exhaust, but it was noted through someone else i also work with who owns a spec v that his exhaust isn't fully complete, and it actually might be missing the cat And he's also tuned the engine for a higher compression of....(forgot what the #'s were) to what it should be.

As far as being gutted, I think he said it was because even he called it a "little POS CRX."

If I could describe the sound it makes from what the guy with the Spec V told me, it basically goes "WHAAAAAA, BA-BA-BA-BAAAAA-BAAAAAAA!!! @WOT.

I'll still race him even if I lose, I just hope i don't get
badly

 

If he has cams man, forget it. He can easily run his motor through the high 8's into the low 9's, and it pulls all the way. b16's are sick in small light weight cars, bottom and top end. Either way, win or lose, you'll still drive away from the track with a way better ride.

 

Please make sure you let us know how it goes. I'm very interested.

 

Blu/Matt, thanks for the feedback. I will do my best!

 

Are you sure,you know what you're talking about. The fastest builted allmotor running high compression are still running low 10's not 8 or 9's.

 

do u know what ur talkin about??? hes talking about RPMs!!

 

I'm talking about RPM's. If you put high performance cams in a b16, and upgrade the spings and retainers you can push your motor until about 9400 rpm as long as you have an ecu without a rev limiter. And it pulls all the way.

 

I don't recall hearing anything about an ECU w/o a rev limiter....
...does he need this in order to do that kind of an upgrade, or can he go w/o it?? And if he doesn't, will that effect the overall outcome of how fast this "monster" can actually be?

 

well you will need an upgraded ecu too pull over 8200 I believe but I might be mistaking. There is a chick in charlotte that has a type r swap in a hatch that revs too 9200 and run low 13's at 106-107 on 185 series tires. Her mods are stock engine as far as internals, ecu, intake, and exhaust. That car is a monster.

 

You don't need an ECU upgrade to do cams, but your not getting the full potential of the motor. Rev limiter on a stock b16 is 8400. With cams you can run it till about 9300-9400. Since you don't know what this guy really has, just race him and find out what happens.