I won wtf

I think he was racing...

I came off 10th street to get onto the highway and I was flooring the car off the on ramp when I noticed the newest Grand Prix getting over to the left lane so I can get in. I noticed that he did get on the gas also since the cars rear end squated. When I got onto the highway I was already at 85-ish mph and was 1 car length behind him. I kept accelerating and I didn't even realised that we were "racing" until realised that by 95-ish mph I stayed behind him and couldn't get in front. When 100 mph hit I slowly started to reel him in and saw that "GTP" on the back trunk lid, 110mph comes around and now I'm side-by-side and then VI switches to its short runners and I get 1-1.5 car lengths by 125mph and then guess he left off the gas after that and I slwo down. He signaled to get off an onramp but I decideded not to get off the same one and went off the next onramp.

Oh well...

The way I figured it, GTP's shift into 3rd gear around 98-ish mph, thats probably why I walked on him after 100mph since I was in the heart of my 3rd gear.

 

dont know too much about the newest GTP here, but i know the old ones arent good for highway racing. its due to the poor gearing as well as poor top end, correct? new ones probably have slightly better top end, but i dont know. good kill (i think) assuming he had it floored. i'm pretty interested to see how i do against the new GTP as well

 

They used to be speed governed at around 125 so that could be why he shut down. Their big power is at lower speeds...

 

big power is also subjective because the weigh a ton (well, 1.75 tons to be exact)

 

If I'm not mistaking the Pontiac commercial claims that its faster than our Max.

 

That is kinda odd. I have a '98 GTP and '00 auto, and stock for stock, I don't see the Maxima winning, even from the highway. The newer ones are supposed to be faster, but maybe they lose more in the top end than the previous generation.

It's not that GTP's top-end is horrible, it's just nothing compared to low-end. Fortunately I have some toys that take care of that difference, but low-end is still king, even though it's a 3450lb. car.

Wait a minute-you're modded, right? FC Intake and Y-pipe IIRC. That should give you the extra edge you need over a stock GTP.

 

NO !! According to the commercial its faster than the '04 Max

 

ya does about 6.3 seconds sound right for the GTP commercial? i think they said its about that. we all know they are excellent launchers and have great torque, so that seems reasonable

 

was it the comp g package???

pontiac themselves say that only the comp-g gtp ca nbeat a maxima

 

Along with ANYTHING else in its class.

Too bad they don't put a stick in one.

 

I've never seen the new commercial, but heard enough about it to form a ****ty opinion. I don't see a new Comp G outperforming a 6spd Max or 5spd Alti without some sort of mods. I can't stand it when a company is going to claim something like that, but can't really back it up. It has respectable power, but I wouldn't go so far to say that it'll outperform everything in it's class, especially in handling. Besides, I still like the way mine looks better anyways.

 

We donot need to get into that rediculous test that GM sponsored and got those horrible times for evey car except for the GTP (this is why they claim they are the best). Including a 16.59 1/4 for a 3.5 Auto Alti rediculous, the 03 Max came in 2nd overall

 

They'll always find some sort of SPECIAL test under some SPECIAL conditions that it is slightly superior at and then make BROAD GENERALIZATIONS about how it's "best in it's class".

 

So true, I'm just going through some old brochures/mags and you hit it on the nose!

 

Like Cadillac STS (Sport version) outhandling a 540i (non sport) in an independent slalom course and Cadillac making a big deal... something in the lines of making fun of BMW's ultimate driving machine slogan. GM marketers are scandelous

 

Yeah...put 50psi in the BMW's tires and MAYBE the Caddy will have a chance.

 

Yes it does!

Shows how much GM knows and how they blow up advertising, just like how Nissan claims alot of HP for the max when the alti pulls same dyno #'s go figure heh.. . But its not true, it was the drivers who sucked that tested the car. I know cause GM mechanics at our GM dealer here says they short shifted the cars, but not the GTP. Its biased. My 02 killed the new GTP, hell give me that ******G supercharger, and we'll go SC to SC. My buddies 3.5 SE 5-spd altima killed the new GTP (he runs 14.3).

 

I drove a GTP couple weeks back, and was impressed(got wheel from a dead start, no pwr braking) considering my associations with pontiac is plastic cladded camper cars ie. Aztek. The GTP is a step in the right direction. I am not saying that the GTP is faster then the max or validate any magazine write-up, but the GTP is not a car that I think the max is going to walk all over, like most other cars in its class. Its going to more of a drivers race.

 

Hold up!!! Last time I check the old gtp was governed at 108. The new one is at 139. Not bad, my 2k can't play with but ya'll 2k2 and 2k3's can have all the fun you want.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

All I can say is that the Y-pipe does wonders

 

Yeah and wsp tig welding machine is not working. I been on back order for a week. Can't wait, y-pipe and VB mod. And I already have a frankcar intake, maybe then I can race a GTP.!!!!!!!

 

GTP Comp G topend perspective (courtesly of Car & Driver): "The quarter-mile clicks by in a virile 15 flat at 93 mph, but after that, progress slows as the lungs of a two-valve engine start to burn for lack of air....Still, there’s enough power in the well to push the Grand Prix to 138 mph. It may go faster, but our test car went into a reduced-power limp mode at that point, complaining through its dashboard message center of “hot engine oil.” So autobahns are out."

link: http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by F23A4
[B] It may go faster, but our test car went into a reduced-power limp mode at that point, complaining through its dashboard message center of “hot engine oil.” So autobahns are out."



For some reason, this line made me laugh......

 

Maybe thats GM's version of a speed governor.

 

I frequent the C&D forums and somebody posted a print out of the 04' GTP with comp G test results. These are the same results where the V6 Altima scored a 16.7 in the 1/4 mile. If you would have only seen how many GM defenders there are on that board,,,,its ridiculous. Each GM defender tried to back up those test results while a few others like myself saw the numbers as "funny" and "altered" in a sense that something was definately up.

I guess the GM faithful, or at least some of them are completely brainwashed

 

You didn't check the right one. The GT (non-supercharged model) was governed at 108. The GTP (up to 2003)
is governed to somewhere around 125.

Bob

 

Hey,

One guy on Altimas.net had the hesitation TSB done on his 2k3 auto Alt. He was a former GTP owner and mentioned that he still gets together with his ole' GTP boys at the track and he's taking out most of their modified GTPs with his stock Altima.

A max with auto is at least the same if not a tick faster 0 to 60, and while the new GTP has pumped up horsepower, it weighs the same, and really the 3800 series III engine is still just a regular overhead valve blown engine.

The new GTP is a nicer car than the last, but it still is boat heavy and a relatively harsh ride compared to the Max. If it had a stick I think it would definitely be more of a driver's car. I work with a guy who thinks the GM 3800 Series II engine is the greatest thing since daylight and when I told him about my buddy with the stock Altima kicking GTPs around he was pretty impressed.

Numbers can be changed. You never know if GM took a Max and attached a boat anchor to it to beat it with the GTP or put 400 lbs of concrete in the trunk.

Regards,

10e

 

I have a '98 GTP and a Maxima right now, so I think I have a good idea about both.

The test done on the new Comp G and her competitors...Complete bull****, and shameless by GM. I would hope that any enthusiast could see that, regardless of their personal bias.

GTP vs. the Altima/Maxima...I think the 3.5's are capable of taking down stock GTP's, though my personal experience with a neighbor's auto Alti and a coworker's 2k3 TE have shown differently, and that was stock. Modded is a whole different ball of yarn, and I'm not going to get into that. It's capable either way, though has the advantage from a stop, and disadvantage from a higher speed roll, at least with no mods.

GM quality-poor compared to my Max, but at least for me has been livable. My car's not a rattle trap, at least not yet, and I have yet to have anything go wrong mechanically. There is a somewhat obvious difference especially with interiors, but it doesn't keep me from enjoying driving the car.

My GTP originally governed out at 126, though doesn't have a governor now thanks to a PCM. That's not really an issue for me, as in my opinion if I haven't won by 126, it probably isn't going to happen and isn't worth it.

 

...I'm like you, a race isn't won based on who is willing to gamble with death by going the fastest. The race is won based on who is pulling on who as you accelerate. If you are getting pulled on the whole time and the other guy shuts it down at 110 and you keep going, that doesn't make you the winner, it makes you a fly-by boy...

 

Pontiac sucks period!!

 

And so does this thread! Will someone lock this bytch up!

 

Somepeople start the race at this speed....

All depends on what you're driving now doesn't it. If your running mad hp a lot of guys want a roll on no less than 50-80 mph and like to race 80-180.

 

this is like ancient chinese torture

 

There's an intelligent post.

Well, this was a halfway decent discussion.

I agree about the big hp cars wanting to run at higher speeds, though I don't see many Maximas or GTP's that fit that category. I will say I'd rather go from a 15mph roll than dead stop in the GTP due to the low-end torque and ****ty RSA tires.