3.5 owners---Rejoice...Stillen Headers are out!
08-13-2003, 08:41 PM
#84
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Hes the low down.....i've done ALOT of research into this....
The headers run $840.......The install involves droppin the front subframe,2 motor mounts(so that means u have to suppport the motor, or it will end up on ur face), removen the cv axles, etc...the factory booktime is 5 hours...most shop will charge u from $350-500 to install them......the headers come with 02 simulators to fool the ecm and not trip the "Check Engine" light.....
I'd be careful of Stillen dyno #'s, these r the same guys that said their magna flow mufflers on a 3.5 SE Altimas gives u 14 extra hp...
Not tryin to discourage u guys, just tryyin to inform...if u want to have the fastest vq, go for it...but i may wait for the HS units....
The headers run $840.......The install involves droppin the front subframe,2 motor mounts(so that means u have to suppport the motor, or it will end up on ur face), removen the cv axles, etc...the factory booktime is 5 hours...most shop will charge u from $350-500 to install them......the headers come with 02 simulators to fool the ecm and not trip the "Check Engine" light.....
I'd be careful of Stillen dyno #'s, these r the same guys that said their magna flow mufflers on a 3.5 SE Altimas gives u 14 extra hp...
Not tryin to discourage u guys, just tryyin to inform...if u want to have the fastest vq, go for it...but i may wait for the HS units....
08-13-2003, 08:53 PM
#85
I would go with Stilen, just because I know they wont trip SES lights . I know Altima guys go with HS headers , over Stillen, but thats mostly because of price. So I guess VSMAX wa right on the Aug 27th release .. He was close...
08-13-2003, 08:59 PM
#86
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Bout f*cking time! Is HS going to producing headers anytime soon? If not, this will be our only opportunity for a serious power adder. I just started my Stealin Header savings account today, but if the dynos don't produce the right numbers, I can dump the green into some HS headers.
08-13-2003, 09:33 PM
#88
Y2KevSE,Sent you a PM.
Do you need to run a Apexi AFC,Greddy E-Manage or any aftermarket fuel tuning/control device for the headers??? Will the stock ECU be able to handle the headers???
Do you need to run a Apexi AFC,Greddy E-Manage or any aftermarket fuel tuning/control device for the headers??? Will the stock ECU be able to handle the headers???
08-13-2003, 10:55 PM
#90
Originally posted by emax02
$840 is WAY to much for headers. These things are jet hot coated to, not even SS, right?
$840 is WAY to much for headers. These things are jet hot coated to, not even SS, right?
I was expecting more like 550-600 topps but wtf $840. Install is not as simple as an alit 3.5 either. That takes like 2.5 hrs, this thing has an easy 6hrs labor on it. Even if you have a hookup at a shop, its a minimum of $300 for install.
08-13-2003, 11:25 PM
#93
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May I inquire, how many of these headers are spoken for, and will supply be able to meet demand if they are 'really' worth it performance wise (if not value wise, which i doubt, but that's subjective).
Do these get made in one batch, and that's it? Are these questions I may ask, or am I being to nosy? Inquiring minds want to know! : ]
Do these get made in one batch, and that's it? Are these questions I may ask, or am I being to nosy? Inquiring minds want to know! : ]
BUT i want them...
08-14-2003, 06:34 AM
#98
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Stillen states 15HP in their new 2003 catalog. If they made 25-30 they would defiantly put that in their catalog, marketing and those higher numbers would be to good to pass up...
Steve where are you getting your HP numbers from? We know from 2nd hand info that HS's Alty prototype headers made approx 30hp and that it was running lean. So an AFC could be needed with Stillens and would help HP some, 15 more HP I'm not so sure about but may be. But to think your going to by Stillens set and get 25-30 HP by them selves is not realistic when they don't even publish numbers that high.
Now for the price. I'm not talking installed ready to go but just the product it's self here. At $840 for 15HP is $56 per HP, WTF that’s nutz. Now when you throw in a $350 AFC and IF you can get 25HP with it you’re looking at $48 per HP.
After installation and Dyno'ing you'll be looking at around 2G's for this setup. That’s $80 per HP!!! 3.0 guys can by a SC for $44 per HP (80HP) on the high end and at a cost of 5G's for every thing installed and dyno'd is $62.50 per HP if they only get 80HP, if they get 100HP its only $50!
Yea I need to drop 2G's for 15HP like I need a F'ing hole in the head.
The only way I would spend $840 on these is if there were 02 simulators needed and supplied, gaskets, bolts and any hardware needed, along with an AFC as a packaged deal.
Having said that we need to know what our $840 would be buying. If it's just the headers and nothing else you may move some but I have a feeling there will be some big dusty boxes.
Steve where are you getting your HP numbers from? We know from 2nd hand info that HS's Alty prototype headers made approx 30hp and that it was running lean. So an AFC could be needed with Stillens and would help HP some, 15 more HP I'm not so sure about but may be. But to think your going to by Stillens set and get 25-30 HP by them selves is not realistic when they don't even publish numbers that high.
Now for the price. I'm not talking installed ready to go but just the product it's self here. At $840 for 15HP is $56 per HP, WTF that’s nutz. Now when you throw in a $350 AFC and IF you can get 25HP with it you’re looking at $48 per HP.
After installation and Dyno'ing you'll be looking at around 2G's for this setup. That’s $80 per HP!!! 3.0 guys can by a SC for $44 per HP (80HP) on the high end and at a cost of 5G's for every thing installed and dyno'd is $62.50 per HP if they only get 80HP, if they get 100HP its only $50!
Yea I need to drop 2G's for 15HP like I need a F'ing hole in the head.
The only way I would spend $840 on these is if there were 02 simulators needed and supplied, gaskets, bolts and any hardware needed, along with an AFC as a packaged deal.
Having said that we need to know what our $840 would be buying. If it's just the headers and nothing else you may move some but I have a feeling there will be some big dusty boxes.
08-14-2003, 06:41 AM
#100
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Originally posted by 1BADMAX
I too think that $840 is a little too high, but you have to also consider that these are coming with the y-pipe, so the price is not all that bad.
I too think that $840 is a little too high, but you have to also consider that these are coming with the y-pipe, so the price is not all that bad.
08-14-2003, 07:13 AM
#102
Re: Re: Re: What?
Originally posted by jatt806
You're lucky it's the internet, 'cause I'd make you sorry if you said that to my face.
You're lucky it's the internet, 'cause I'd make you sorry if you said that to my face.
pal cool the f down....and i dont think you would take it any further than words if you did know where blubyu2k2 lived...i think your all talk....and i think blu woul do the same thing to you that he would do if you raced him....and thats WHOOP your azz
so chill out....and shut up boy,,,,this is grown folks talking
08-14-2003, 08:19 AM
#104
Re: Re: Re: Re: What?
Originally posted by tonylittell
pal cool the f down....and i dont think you would take it any further than words if you did know where blubyu2k2 lived...i think your all talk....and i think blu woul do the same thing to you that he would do if you raced him....and thats WHOOP your azz
so chill out....and shut up boy,,,,this is grown folks talking
pal cool the f down....and i dont think you would take it any further than words if you did know where blubyu2k2 lived...i think your all talk....and i think blu woul do the same thing to you that he would do if you raced him....and thats WHOOP your azz
so chill out....and shut up boy,,,,this is grown folks talking
but yeah these numbers better be raised for that kind of money
08-14-2003, 08:53 AM
#106
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Wwell I for one am very curious to see how it works, luckily we have lots of rich eager people here who want them, so they will be our guinea pigs, and if it works out well and I'm convinced, I'll do it up.
All i can say is I've already owned, and sold the warp speed wack pipe. No performance there whatsoever, If they did it from the engine down 'then' lets see! : ]
All i can say is I've already owned, and sold the warp speed wack pipe. No performance there whatsoever, If they did it from the engine down 'then' lets see! : ]
08-14-2003, 10:30 AM
#108
Originally posted by BJS 3.5SE
The install involves droppin the front subframe,2 motor mounts(so that means u have to suppport the motor, or it will end up on ur face), removen the cv axles, etc...
The install involves droppin the front subframe,2 motor mounts(so that means u have to suppport the motor, or it will end up on ur face), removen the cv axles, etc...
08-14-2003, 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
Well for reference, the Acura V6 headers from Comtech are $1,000. QUALITY pieces though.
Well for reference, the Acura V6 headers from Comtech are $1,000. QUALITY pieces though.
I don't follow the Acura line much so I don't know if there is any competition for Comtech. We know Stillen doesn't.
Being that I don't have the cash anyway I geuss I'll just wait and see whats on the market next spring. That should give the wealthy time to get dyno numbers for these and if we're lucky someone else will have something to compair it to.
08-14-2003, 10:38 AM
#111
Most stuff from Comtech is very high quality. They have been in the header game forever. Hell they made headers for my 510. Hotshot makes a lower priced alternative though. Low quality also.
Originally posted by maximaman777
Those are Stainless Steel. But still only offer a 16-17HP gain with cat-back.
I don't follow the Acura line much so I don't know if there is any competition for Comtech. We know Stillen doesn't.
Being that I don't have the cash anyway I geuss I'll just wait and see whats on the market next spring. That should give the wealthy time to get dyno numbers for these and if we're lucky someone else will have something to compair it to.
Those are Stainless Steel. But still only offer a 16-17HP gain with cat-back.
I don't follow the Acura line much so I don't know if there is any competition for Comtech. We know Stillen doesn't.
Being that I don't have the cash anyway I geuss I'll just wait and see whats on the market next spring. That should give the wealthy time to get dyno numbers for these and if we're lucky someone else will have something to compair it to.
08-14-2003, 11:14 AM
#112
Originally posted by Lumbee1
From the man with experience, what all is involved?
I would like to know what I am getting into.
From the man with experience, what all is involved?
I would like to know what I am getting into.
08-14-2003, 11:22 AM
#113
Originally posted by mjg
May I inquire, how many of these headers are spoken for, and will supply be able to meet demand if they are 'really' worth it performance wise (if not value wise, which i doubt, but that's subjective).
Do these get made in one batch, and that's it? Are these questions I may ask, or am I being to nosy? Inquiring minds want to know! : ]
May I inquire, how many of these headers are spoken for, and will supply be able to meet demand if they are 'really' worth it performance wise (if not value wise, which i doubt, but that's subjective).
Do these get made in one batch, and that's it? Are these questions I may ask, or am I being to nosy? Inquiring minds want to know! : ]
08-14-2003, 11:25 AM
#114
Originally posted by Y2KSESteve
28 V-6 maxima headers and 19 V6 altima headers have been sold through pre-order so far. Once this shipment of headers is gone it will be another 45-60 days until Stillen ships out another batch.
28 V-6 maxima headers and 19 V6 altima headers have been sold through pre-order so far. Once this shipment of headers is gone it will be another 45-60 days until Stillen ships out another batch.
08-14-2003, 12:28 PM
#117
Originally posted by bgates1654
I am not buying till I see dyno numbers and the price drops to 500. Without dyno numbers I might consider it at 400.
I am not buying till I see dyno numbers and the price drops to 500. Without dyno numbers I might consider it at 400.
08-14-2003, 03:19 PM
#119
Originally posted by HitManSE
I was expecting more like 550-600 topps but wtf $840. Install is not as simple as an alit 3.5 either. That takes like 2.5 hrs, this thing has an easy 6hrs labor on it. Even if you have a hookup at a shop, its a minimum of $300 for install.
I was expecting more like 550-600 topps but wtf $840. Install is not as simple as an alit 3.5 either. That takes like 2.5 hrs, this thing has an easy 6hrs labor on it. Even if you have a hookup at a shop, its a minimum of $300 for install.
08-14-2003, 03:25 PM
#120
Originally posted by Jeff92se
Well for reference, the Acura V6 headers from Comtech are $1,000. QUALITY pieces though.
Well for reference, the Acura V6 headers from Comtech are $1,000. QUALITY pieces though.
OBX makes the same setup with simaler gains for $350.
Bottom line is anything over $600 for headers is crazy.