Outlaw Engineering Thermoblock Spacers Please read
01-13-2004, 06:10 AM
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Outlaw Engineering Thermoblock Spacers Please read
Ok, here is the deal. Checkout www.outlawengineering.com and http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/current/outlaw/
What we need is a 3.5 guy who lives near Indianapolis who would like a FREE set of these if you let them prototype it on your car. If you can be of any help, please PM me and I will work with you and the guys at outlaw to get the ball rolling. We need 20 committed guys to make this happen. They gain 9.1 HP on a 2.0 liter motor, I would imagine more for the 3.5. And, it’s only going to cost about $100. They will handle all the before and after dynos as well. Read my below e-mail for more info.
Thanks
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From: "Outlaw Engineering" <sales@outlawengineering.com>
To: "rob" <roops22@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:43:48 -0500
Subject: Re: thermoblock spacers
Message-ID: <004101c3d98f$d63787a0$e015de0c@notebook>
References: <20040325.180652.2224.3.roops22@juno.com>
Rob,
We have been developing ThermoBlok insulators for many new applications, but the Nissan V-6 is not currently on the list. Our prototyping work order is organized by demand and to date, there hasn't been much interest in insulators for this motor, yet. We generally request 20 commitments prior to the design, prototyping, and production of a new performance part. Pricing for a set, including intake manifold and throttle body insulators along with necessary hardware such as lengthened studs would be in the $100 or less range.
To prototype a new set, we generally prefer to have access to a full vehicle. This will allow us to investigate fit-up issues and to do a before and after dyno test to asses performance increase. We are located in Indianapolis, so if there are any interested parties in the central Indiana area that would be interested in having their vehicle used as a test bed, please step up. This would include a short session to evaluate the vehicle and take measurement data, followed by another session a short time later to install and evaluate the prototype set. This, of course, would be done free of charge.
Please asses the interest for your group and let us know.
Best regards,
Sean Morgan
Outlaw Engineering
www.outlawengineering.com
What we need is a 3.5 guy who lives near Indianapolis who would like a FREE set of these if you let them prototype it on your car. If you can be of any help, please PM me and I will work with you and the guys at outlaw to get the ball rolling. We need 20 committed guys to make this happen. They gain 9.1 HP on a 2.0 liter motor, I would imagine more for the 3.5. And, it’s only going to cost about $100. They will handle all the before and after dynos as well. Read my below e-mail for more info.
Thanks
--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Outlaw Engineering" <sales@outlawengineering.com>
To: "rob" <roops22@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:43:48 -0500
Subject: Re: thermoblock spacers
Message-ID: <004101c3d98f$d63787a0$e015de0c@notebook>
References: <20040325.180652.2224.3.roops22@juno.com>
Rob,
We have been developing ThermoBlok insulators for many new applications, but the Nissan V-6 is not currently on the list. Our prototyping work order is organized by demand and to date, there hasn't been much interest in insulators for this motor, yet. We generally request 20 commitments prior to the design, prototyping, and production of a new performance part. Pricing for a set, including intake manifold and throttle body insulators along with necessary hardware such as lengthened studs would be in the $100 or less range.
To prototype a new set, we generally prefer to have access to a full vehicle. This will allow us to investigate fit-up issues and to do a before and after dyno test to asses performance increase. We are located in Indianapolis, so if there are any interested parties in the central Indiana area that would be interested in having their vehicle used as a test bed, please step up. This would include a short session to evaluate the vehicle and take measurement data, followed by another session a short time later to install and evaluate the prototype set. This, of course, would be done free of charge.
Please asses the interest for your group and let us know.
Best regards,
Sean Morgan
Outlaw Engineering
www.outlawengineering.com
01-13-2004, 08:37 AM
#6
Wonder what's involved in uninstalling/reinstalling the manifold and throttle-body though.
Anything that can be screwed up?
if you can get 20 3.0 guys, they will do it as well! Like Icy said..at least 10WHP for 100. Talk about bang for the buck!
Anything that can be screwed up?
Originally Posted by 92 SE-R 02 SE
if you can get 20 3.0 guys, they will do it as well! Like Icy said..at least 10WHP for 100. Talk about bang for the buck!
01-13-2004, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Wonder what's involved in uninstalling/reinstalling the manifold and throttle-body though.
Anything that can be screwed up?
Anything that can be screwed up?
01-13-2004, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 92 SE-R 02 SE
if you can get 20 3.0 guys, they will do it as well! Like Icy said..at least 10WHP for 100. Talk about bang for the buck!my friend did this on his mx-6 and thought it was one of the best "bang for the buck" mods he did.
put me down as a definite:
Marco - mgalvis01@hotmail.com - YES
01-13-2004, 08:57 AM
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Hmmmnnnn....lets do it!
We need something new and inexpensive.
We need something new and inexpensive.
Originally Posted by Colonel
If you get the 3.0 system going...Im in. Ill also be the test pig as I am 45 minutes from Indy...Or maybe they will let less than 20 happen?
01-13-2004, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Fezzik
would this work for the 3.5 as well. I am interested in doing this myself for I dont live too far away fron INdy
01-13-2004, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Wonder what's involved in uninstalling/reinstalling the manifold and throttle-body though.
Anything that can be screwed up?
Anything that can be screwed up?
I think you 3.0 guys got someone local..
01-13-2004, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by xfirepwr1
How long would this process take if anyone was willing to give them the car.
01-13-2004, 09:53 AM
#18
I am in for a set for the 3.0
Many things can go wrong when removing the intake manifold anf throttlebody as I have experienced this week. Taking off both upper and lower manifold at least 10 times. The gaskets and flanges will need to be cleaned and you will need to put silicone gasket stuff below and on top of the gasket. Just a thin layer and it should be even. You should use loctite blue and the lower and upper manifold bolts and nuts. Throttlebody gasket is only supposed to be used once, it is paper thin and can easily come apart if it the original one. They are about $10.00 and they don't stock them at autozone or any of the local auto shops, so you have to go to the dealer. You have to be careful when removing the upper and lower manifold, bolts can fly in the runners so put paper towels in or over the holes. You don't want a nut falling and going inside the engine heads. Just take your time and do it right. There are 4 places on the 3.0 4th gen maniold where there can be air leaks. The throttlebody, IAC valve, where the upper and lower manifolds meet, and the gas recirculation valve. The Last one is the hardest to get tight because it is on the back of the manifold. There is also a coolant line in the back that is kind of hard to get off, I ripped it. So have a couple feet of fuel and vacuum lines if yours are old. I have spent all week trying to fix my problem. The manifold has to stay at a certain pressure and if it is not your brakes will be weak, your temperature guage will act up, and not to mention a million other things. Have fun!
Many things can go wrong when removing the intake manifold anf throttlebody as I have experienced this week. Taking off both upper and lower manifold at least 10 times. The gaskets and flanges will need to be cleaned and you will need to put silicone gasket stuff below and on top of the gasket. Just a thin layer and it should be even. You should use loctite blue and the lower and upper manifold bolts and nuts. Throttlebody gasket is only supposed to be used once, it is paper thin and can easily come apart if it the original one. They are about $10.00 and they don't stock them at autozone or any of the local auto shops, so you have to go to the dealer. You have to be careful when removing the upper and lower manifold, bolts can fly in the runners so put paper towels in or over the holes. You don't want a nut falling and going inside the engine heads. Just take your time and do it right. There are 4 places on the 3.0 4th gen maniold where there can be air leaks. The throttlebody, IAC valve, where the upper and lower manifolds meet, and the gas recirculation valve. The Last one is the hardest to get tight because it is on the back of the manifold. There is also a coolant line in the back that is kind of hard to get off, I ripped it. So have a couple feet of fuel and vacuum lines if yours are old. I have spent all week trying to fix my problem. The manifold has to stay at a certain pressure and if it is not your brakes will be weak, your temperature guage will act up, and not to mention a million other things. Have fun!
01-13-2004, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Ironlord
I might be in if someone can tell me what the heck this is and if i can get dyno proven results for the 3.0
01-13-2004, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 92 SE-R 02 SE
Ok, here is the deal. Checkout www.outlawengineering.com and http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/current/outlaw/
What we need is a 3.5 guy who lives near Indianapolis who would like a FREE set of these if you let them prototype it on your car. If you can be of any help, please PM me and I will work with you and the guys at outlaw to get the ball rolling. We need 20 committed guys to make this happen. They gain 9.1 HP on a 2.0 liter motor, I would imagine more for the 3.5. And, it’s only going to cost about $100. They will handle all the before and after dynos as well. Read my below e-mail for more info.
Thanks
ww.outlawengineering.com[/url]
What we need is a 3.5 guy who lives near Indianapolis who would like a FREE set of these if you let them prototype it on your car. If you can be of any help, please PM me and I will work with you and the guys at outlaw to get the ball rolling. We need 20 committed guys to make this happen. They gain 9.1 HP on a 2.0 liter motor, I would imagine more for the 3.5. And, it’s only going to cost about $100. They will handle all the before and after dynos as well. Read my below e-mail for more info.
Thanks
ww.outlawengineering.com[/url]
01-13-2004, 10:11 AM
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3.0's........
I believe will receive little benefit from this. The main function must be to keep the intake and runners cool by separating it from the block, but with 3.0's already having a composite intake, which reduces temps to the point where I can touch it with my bare hand, the temp differences with this on a 3.0 will minimal, theory pending. Furthermore, Im sure that 2.0 is generating a lot of heat, so a 9 hp gain is good!, MAYBE the 3.5 can gain this as well, but I'd be sceptical 
Has any other enthusiast try this on another motor with a comp. intake? LS1 possibly?
Has any other enthusiast try this on another motor with a comp. intake? LS1 possibly?
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