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Old Jan 19, 2004 | 07:56 AM
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Issues with Tireack.

Guys, just posted this in the tire section, but as it effects the 5th gen, thought I would make you aware.

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=279273
Old Jan 19, 2004 | 08:02 AM
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the funny part is that I have heard this story all the time with tirerack doing, just you say you have aftermarket rim.
Old Jan 19, 2004 | 08:03 AM
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It's a safety issue, Tirerack is very good about looking out for people.

That and it's also in their best interest (e.g. safety clause) to do so.

Technically you can still buy a set, just tell them that it's going to be replacements for a set you already have. (They probably will still give you a hard time though).

But all in all, it's good to have people like that in the business.
Old Jan 19, 2004 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by soundmike
It's a safety issue, Tirerack is very good about looking out for people.

But all in all, it's good to have people like that in the business.
Yes, I understand that its a safety issue, but when I have read post after post about guys running 235/45/17 tires which they've purchased from Tirerack, I have not heard any mention there was any issue such as this. I also haven't heard too many people say their 235's slipped of the rim either.
Old Jan 19, 2004 | 08:20 AM
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(posted this in the thread listed above already)

I don't think 235/45-17 is worth it. My car never handles on dry pavement quite as "solid" as the old Potenzas (225/50-17) did, even after air pressure adjustments. Next tires I'm buying will be 225/50-17, unless I change out the rims before then...
Old Jan 19, 2004 | 09:12 AM
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your potenzas handled well?/? not to bust on you, but i think you are the only person in the world that thinks that the potenzas handled "solid" on dry pavement. i push my car daily and they didn't hold for jack...i would think that almost anything, 225 or 235 would hold better than the potenzas. again not flamin you, just my opinion, and curious as to how you came to your conclusion.
Old Jan 19, 2004 | 09:26 AM
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Let me rephrase that. They felt more "solid" in that the steering wheel had solid feedback whenever I'd corner... felt like the contact patch was more "square" on the pavement.
Since I put in 235/45-17's, it always feels a little more "squirmish" than the old Potenzas, not giving as much solid feedback through the steering wheel. Almost feels like the alignment is off, but it is not.

Now, with that said... the Michelins actually STICK, while the Potenzas would give me the creeps. But I don't get the same solid "feel".

Now to understand why I picked 235/45-17 Michelins when there are 225/50-17 available, I decided to try them out and get a firsthand experience of 235/45-17 on 17x7's. Plus it was $10 cheaper per tire. Consider that purchase as an experiment, and the outcome so far is that I will NOT buy 235/45-17 for my stock 17x7's again.
Old Jan 19, 2004 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SEmy2K2go
Yes, I understand that its a safety issue, but when I have read post after post about guys running 235/45/17 tires which they've purchased from Tirerack, I have not heard any mention there was any issue such as this. I also haven't heard too many people say their 235's slipped of the rim either.
What people on the .Org think really doesn't matter to them. Their rules are based on tire spec from the makers, so they follow manufacturers suggestions.

It's pretty much like, say, how Nissan recommends 93 octane on the Max but a lot of people get by with using 87. It's against manufacturers recommendations, you can get by with it, but sooner or later somethings bound to come up.
Old Jan 19, 2004 | 05:01 PM
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235/45ZR Toyo Proxes 4's on stock 17" rims. I rotate every 5-6k miles. Check air pressure religiously every week.

No problems at all. No tires coming off the rim. No blowouts. No uneven wear.

I drive insanely. I do 90+ regularly and corner at 50-60 or more.

It really p****s me off that some .org members have the stones to call out a fellow .org member just because they want to go with a tire size that isn't "recommended." Give me a break. Do you really think Tire Rack is gonna pass up a chance to sell a set of overrated Pilot Sports at $200 each + $65 S&H? They don't want the guy going down to a reputable tire store and discovering he can get 4 Toyo Proxes 235/45/17 with 60k road hazard warranty and free mount/balance for about $360+tax, do they?

If you have the money to drop $900 on some Michelins, congratulations. If you're like me and you have groceries to buy, bills to pay, and a wife's medical expenses to cover, $360 vs $900 isn't a hard choice.

All the guy wanted to know is why Tirerack was screwing him around. There's no evidence here other than a handful of "my buddy worked at a tire store, and he told me.." tales and "well one time i saw a tire come off a rim, and it was the wrong size.." Nice to know everyone's a tire engineer these days and was able to dismiss cornering forces, tread separation, belt flaws, compound unevenness, suspension misalignment and improper bead sealing to arrive at an instant expert opinion that the tire came off the rim "because of the rim width".

Has anyone looked at the stock tire size 225/50? You can choose from goodyear, michelin or bridgestone, and goodyear/bridgestone are consistently amongst the worst-rated tire manufacturers in the world!
Old Jan 19, 2004 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by paralyse
It really p****s me off that some .org members have the stones to call out a fellow .org member just because they want to go with a tire size that isn't "recommended." Give me a break. Do you really think Tire Rack is gonna pass up a chance to sell a set of overrated Pilot Sports at $200 each + $65 S&H? They don't want the guy going down to a reputable tire store and discovering he can get 4 Toyo Proxes 235/45/17 with 60k road hazard warranty and free mount/balance for about $360+tax, do they?
I believe that reputable tires stores will sell you whatever tire you want. Even if it is an "overrated" Pilot Sport. I priced some today at Tires Inc and they want $214 each.
Old Jan 19, 2004 | 05:37 PM
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wow........
Old Jan 19, 2004 | 05:43 PM
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I would rather be safe and go w/ stock size. I wouldn't want my tires to come off the wheel on my way to work.
Old Jan 23, 2004 | 02:22 PM
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I've decided to go with the Falken ZE-512 in 225/50/17 from www.edgeracing.com for $95/ea.
Old Jan 23, 2004 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SEmy2K2go
I've decided to go with the Falken ZE-512 in 225/50/17 from www.edgeracing.com for $95/ea.
good choice! great all around tire...
Old Jan 23, 2004 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by paralyse
235/45ZR Toyo Proxes 4's on stock 17" rims. I rotate every 5-6k miles. Check air pressure religiously every week.

No problems at all. No tires coming off the rim. No blowouts. No uneven wear.

I drive insanely. I do 90+ regularly and corner at 50-60 or more.

It really p****s me off that some .org members have the stones to call out a fellow .org member just because they want to go with a tire size that isn't "recommended." Give me a break. Do you really think Tire Rack is gonna pass up a chance to sell a set of overrated Pilot Sports at $200 each + $65 S&H? They don't want the guy going down to a reputable tire store and discovering he can get 4 Toyo Proxes 235/45/17 with 60k road hazard warranty and free mount/balance for about $360+tax, do they?

If you have the money to drop $900 on some Michelins, congratulations. If you're like me and you have groceries to buy, bills to pay, and a wife's medical expenses to cover, $360 vs $900 isn't a hard choice.

All the guy wanted to know is why Tirerack was screwing him around. There's no evidence here other than a handful of "my buddy worked at a tire store, and he told me.." tales and "well one time i saw a tire come off a rim, and it was the wrong size.." Nice to know everyone's a tire engineer these days and was able to dismiss cornering forces, tread separation, belt flaws, compound unevenness, suspension misalignment and improper bead sealing to arrive at an instant expert opinion that the tire came off the rim "because of the rim width".

Has anyone looked at the stock tire size 225/50? You can choose from goodyear, michelin or bridgestone, and goodyear/bridgestone are consistently amongst the worst-rated tire manufacturers in the world!

somebody got out on the wrong side of the bed this morning...
Old Jan 23, 2004 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by paralyse
Has anyone looked at the stock tire size 225/50? You can choose from goodyear, michelin or bridgestone, and goodyear/bridgestone are consistently amongst the worst-rated tire manufacturers in the world!

Wooow, I thought you knew a lot about tires.


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Old Jan 23, 2004 | 07:34 PM
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I have the Contis on my 03 max right now and they are fine. You really, REALLY need to baby them though for the first 1000 miles. The side walls are soft and they need to stiffen. After that they are the best tire for the money out there. The only thing that I suggest on the 235-17 size is that you have someone who is good with tires put them on. I watched the guys who did mine and they struggled to get that low profile tire on our rims. Otherwise go for it they are great in the rain and snow, a million times better than the potenzas and much better in the corners. I still lay rubber from the launch though. I wish I had a tire that wouldnt do that.
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