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Old Mar 29, 2004 | 02:03 PM
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RAM air intake?

has anyone tried to make a ram air for maxima by making one in the bottom section of the front bumper? i think it would make decent power from it..
Old Mar 29, 2004 | 02:04 PM
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its called CAI
Old Mar 29, 2004 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by soonerfan
its called CAI
im not talking about CAI, im talking about ram air like the ones on trans am.
Old Mar 29, 2004 | 02:48 PM
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trans ams are on the hood. and yes it is a CAI even on them. it is a scoop that brings in cold air

but here you go anyway. even though this wont increase airflow any more then a normal CAI
you can say you have "RAM air"
Old Mar 29, 2004 | 02:51 PM
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if you dont belive me,
here you go
"Ram Air is a myth, and many intake manufactures use the word Ram Air strictly for propaganda."
http://www.vetteguru.com/ramair/
Old Mar 29, 2004 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by slammed95
On a maxima you will not see any noticeable gains from the ram air effect. Any gains will be due to a cooler intake charge.
Even Formula 1 engineers say they gain at most 20hp at 200mph with a professionaly designed intake system.
many variations of this. search 4 gutter or ghetto CAI.
Old Mar 29, 2004 | 05:51 PM
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gunmax is working on a "Ram" intake effect.. we didnt talk much about it.. but his design was making since... using a CAI and a scoop from ford 150.. not sure.. sounded something like that
Old Mar 29, 2004 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by scopium
gunmax is working on a "Ram" intake effect.. we didnt talk much about it.. but his design was making since... using a CAI and a scoop from ford 150.. not sure.. sounded something like that
again the RAM will do nothing more then a CAI.
here is the best way to explain it.
picture a funnel. it has a huge opening to catch alot of a liquid. but ultimatly, the amount of liquid flow is dermined by the small tube at the bottom. no matter how big you make the opening, the amount of liquid that can pass it not increased.
on our car the little tube is the throttle body. no matter how large you make something for the air to go it, you cant get more air then the throttle body can take. so an opening any bigger then the trottle body is a waste cause the "extra" air wont make it to your engine.
hope that makes sense
Old Mar 29, 2004 | 06:40 PM
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yea it does make sense.. so in other words if you want to get more Hp you should get a bigger throttle body?
so.. why are intakes for ... if you can only put so much air into the throttle body...


i understand what you are saying... but i always though more and cooler airflow = more hp
Old Mar 29, 2004 | 07:38 PM
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Intakes reduce the restriction and direction of incoming air. Its more about flow than volume. They replace restrictive OEM air boxes that slow the air flow down for filtration. This process also slows the air down which also heats the air up. CIA is best because it draws in the coldest air available wether from a scoop on the front, or a hole in the wheel well. Soonerfan is right, its the same animal.
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 01:00 AM
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Also, from what i was told, the difference between a CAI and a WAI is not much. At high speeds, WAI will still manage to suck in Cold air since the vehicle is moving. The biggest difference between a CAI and a WAI is at idle, even then, CAI can suck in warm air. This is what i have been told, is this true?
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 01:55 AM
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Can we please stop these intake threads.....we all know everything there is to know about intakes.....the best of them gain NOT THAT MUCH ! Makes our cars sound like beasts.......you guys all sound like ricers,, arguing about intakes......I bet if you go to SVT Performance, you wont see as many intake threads, as we do,....stop it already !
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by kloogy
Can we please stop these intake threads.....we all know everything there is to know about intakes.....the best of them gain NOT THAT MUCH ! Makes our cars sound like beasts.......you guys all sound like ricers,, arguing about intakes......I bet if you go to SVT Performance, you wont see as many intake threads, as we do,....stop it already !

hahaha

N E ways, here is my two cents. Ram air does help. Why? Less turbulence. In most cases, if done right, it has less restriction than a CAI that is mounted at the bottom of the engine bay. There are bends and a whole lotta piping that it has to flow through.
Why does the berk intake work? Less restriction. I don't think ram air works like a miniature forced induction system(cause if it did, then we would all have electric superchargers) but if the piping or airflow is done orrectly then turbulence can be greatly reduced.
But... I have yet to see a good ram air system beginning from the Intake Manifold to the scoop.
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ChromeSE5
hahaha

N E ways, here is my two cents. Ram air does help. Why? Less turbulence. In most cases, if done right, it has less restriction than a CAI that is mounted at the bottom of the engine bay. There are bends and a whole lotta piping that it has to flow through.
Why does the berk intake work? Less restriction. I don't think ram air works like a miniature forced induction system(cause if it did, then we would all have electric superchargers) but if the piping or airflow is done orrectly then turbulence can be greatly reduced.
But... I have yet to see a good ram air system beginning from the Intake Manifold to the scoop.
You do remember that I owned a WS6 Ram Air T/A ?
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by GLE2000
Intakes reduce the restriction and direction of incoming air. Its more about flow than volume. They replace restrictive OEM air boxes that slow the air flow down for filtration. This process also slows the air down which also heats the air up. CIA is best because it draws in the coldest air available wether from a scoop on the front, or a hole in the wheel well. Soonerfan is right, its the same animal.
exactly.
you can improve air flow (less restrictive)
cooler air (placing intake where it gets cool air)

those are the ONLY two ways! both of those together is "RAM air". RAM air is not "better" cause there is no better, its just a cool name.

so if you have a CAI, there is no step above that. it cant get better. but if you want to impress people you can always call it "RAM air"

and like kloogy said, even the best intake does not improve performance that much.
a CAI has at most 1/2 - 2 hp diffirence over a GAB. when that gets to the wheels it is nothing. the CAI is for apperance and so people can say they have it.
ill stick with my GAB that does the same thing (improve air flow)
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 08:56 AM
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The so called Ram Air may help to decrease the vaccuum when driving. Air from outside is basically more readily available. There is no compression from this setup tho, which is where most people get confused.
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The so called Ram Air may help to decrease the vaccuum when driving. Air from outside is basically more readily available. There is no compression from this setup tho, which is where most people get confused.
exactly
people think it will FORCE more air in. it only LETS air in easier
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 10:06 AM
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but because it lets air in more easily, it can help with engine power and efficiency I believe. Least it has for me
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 10:10 AM
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but because it lets air in more easily, it can help with engine power and efficiency I believe. Least it has for me
so will an intake
so will the GAB

you dont need "RAM air" to do that
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 08:15 PM
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go to your local Jeep dealer and buy a snorkel. Then you'll have cold air AND you can ford small rivers if you need to
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 08:43 PM
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Gota love the gutter (RAM) intake!!!!
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 08:54 PM
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basically for cars there is no such thing as ram air. intakes are intakes, they all let air into the engine. i like my GAB/OSCAI, it works, and I know i'm not getting "boost" from having the end of my tubing facing the front of the car. I do get all the outside air I want tho, and that seems to work out nicely
Old Mar 30, 2004 | 08:56 PM
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al i am reading is blah blah blah blah blah.
Old Apr 3, 2004 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by kloogy
You do remember that I owned a WS6 Ram Air T/A ?
Hey screw you and your nice A$$ car with the sick A$$ rims alright?

jk kloog
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