Anyone know where to get one? and a fair price?

 

youve got to get them from nissan directly. ballpark figure would be over 5 grand but probably even more. if you want access to one without the dealer, check around your area for nissan/infiniti specific shop. ive got one just outside of charlotte that bought one from the dealer and they are very open to allowing people to use it.

 

$6,500 -- they are sold to large locksmith operations for programming keys, and to independent shops.

 

I believe I can get my hands on one. Haven't sold one of the Consult 2 yet, but I did sell some Consult 1's

Keith

 

I you can get one, dont sell it right away.
1. Set up shop for all nissan/infinity ECU needs - ECU updates, Ignition advance/retard, diagnostics, etc.
2. advertize on the org.
3. profit

I am sure you'll get a sh!tload of customers, and ill be your first one

 

Sorry , i sell tools for a living, I don't fix cars. The consult 2 sells for around $5495.00

Keith

 

Problem is you need access to Nissans technical website to download all the new programs INTO the Consult II, you also need various program cards for older vehicles. I have already looked into seting up something like what you mention- Nissan & Toyota specialty shop. Plenty of $$$ to be made in the midwest as all the local speed shops are ran by kids who can't tell a VG from a VQ from a VE.

 

He is correct, some of the features of the Consult II are proprietary to the dealer and although the tool and it's diagnostic software are the same, certain software (ie NATS, et al) are not available to the aftermarket.

Keith

 

But some are available on http://www.nissan-techinfo.com/nissan/. Things like manuals, catalogs, ECM data files, consult utilities, etc. They even have a javascript that can tell you what is the most recent updated ECU part number for your current ECU part number, and you can download it for $19.95.

 

Holy Crap, I guess I'll keep my Auterra. What do most people use? for code readers?

 

Auterra via Palm

 

Is that just to read DTCs or can it data log? What kind of parameters can you view. I have an OBDII scanner amd I can data log air flow, ignition advance, RPM, coolant temps, just to name a few. One parameter I wish I could view is KR. If the one you have can data log is one of the parameters KR (knock sensor.)

 

Auterra can data log and view DTCs. It can also act as a primitive (albeit, inaccurate, unless you enable Fast Sampling which doesn't seem to work right on Nissan ECUs) dyno/accelerometer.

 

Previous 4 posts compare apples to ***. All those cheezy little obd scanners can do is scan, i.e. read-only. CONSULT-II is a nissan read and WRITE tool. Any obd2 scanner can only read at most only 25% of the sensor data that consult can read, and write none. Plus, consult2 can perform accurate nissan specific diagnostic tests.

Sorry to go off like this, but this is like mentioning your Civic's VTEC at a Formula 1 race.

 

Pocket OBD from Autologic via PPC 2003

 

yeah, agreed... Access to a Consult-II is something I'd pay a small fee for on a routine basis if I wanted it

 

There are other higher end scanners such as OTC Genisys, which provide a lot of scanning and data information for all cars, including Nissans. However, if you want dealer level scanning on your Nissan, then Consult II is the way to go.

Keith

 

I spoke with a dealer friend of mine who told me at that time (1.5 - 2 years ago) that he could get one for me with all the software for around $4,000. Myself and a friend started trying to gather other friends to pool money so we could use it for the community. That never happened. However, there is a new tool called nProbe which is very similar to the Consult II. Granted it does not perform 100% of the functions of a Consult, it'll still do anywhere from 50-75% of them (doesn't do ABS, airbags, and some other things I can't think of off the top of my head) I've had limited experience with a Consult but have been impressed by what the nProbe can and has done for me. I don't know for 100% sure that it'll work on a 5th Gen but I'll be able to tell later today when we go to my friend's house and I'll ask him to hook it up.

Ok, after typing all of this, I went looking for the link to their website:

http://www.300degree.com/electronics/nprobe/

And found "We have discovered incompatibility with the '98+ Maxima. We're looking into what it will take to be compatible with them." However, their site was last updated about a year ago (11/2003) so they might have made some progress since then. Hopefully they do work out the kinks because it's a great tool to have.

 

nProbe will not work on 00-up cars (tried), since they use 32bit encryption on the ECU. They also run faster processors on the 01-up cars than the older cars so real time data loggn and monitoring is eassier to do on the Auterra. I have never used Auterra for nothing else but diagnosis of check engine lights and drivability problems. Problem with the older OBD2 cars is, they don't have fast enough refreshment rates for data stream. For instance I was trying to diagnose my friends 5K RPM BOG in his 200SX SE-R, the refresh rate was soo slow I couldn't data log almost anything off the Auterra. Same thing goes for Slimer's SCed Maxima that I tried diagnosing on time, it wasn't refreshing fast enough. In my 01 the refreshment rate is instant, I can slowly accelerate to wide open throttle and it will refresh the Voltage of the TPS accordingly to my legs movement I can stab the gas to Wide open and it will instantly show that its wide open on the PDA also. Auterra doesn't let you do transmission, A/C, ABS, SRS diagnosis. It also does not have some of the functions of the nProbe - that where taken right out of Consult. But timing adjustment on our Maximas is impossible without a Consult anyways, idle adjustment is not possible on drive by wire 02-up Maximas- unless you have a Consult, and nProbe just sets the ECU into timing mode- which is adjusted by moving the distributor on the older cars, or the CAS on 300Zs. It also sets the ECU into idle adjustment mode and does not actually set the idle speed- older cars it works on, have a idle adjustment screw right on the idle air controll valve. So basically nProbe does as good for Maximas VQ powered 00-up as Auterra- IF it even worked on them.

 

I e-mailed them a few days ago and this is the response they gave me...

nProbe II is in development now, no completion or release date has been decided.

Thank you for your interest.

Damon

At 04:29 PM 10/16/2004 -0700, you wrote:

Do you guys have an nprobe that works on 2000 and later nissan cars. i was reading about your nprobe and it looks very interesting. Problem is I have a 2000 maxima. Just curious if there is anything like it for my car. I know there are others out there that have the same car I have (year, make and model) that would like something like the nprobe. If there isn't are there any plans to make one? Thanks for your time.


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LOL, I just emailed them earlier today too... At least they know there'll be demand

 

Does the refresh rates have anythign to do witht he processor speed of the palm youare using? I have a sony Clie, and it seem s to work well, but I guess the max does not support some of teh better functions of teh auterra. I would like to have the full access to the O2 sensor readings page, and air/fuel ratio as well.

I was able to diagnose a bad O2 sensor with the Auterra (front before the Cat) and replaced yesterday. No SES light so far, and readings are within spec now.

I was curious as the FSM uses the consult II, but I did not know it was basically a nissan shop tool.

Anyone add a secondary or visual Knock sensor since it was brought up? I thought if we can steal the signal from the KS, we could put a dash light to let you know, or even a LED counter. Is it possible?

 

No, it has to do with the fact that OBD-II's ISO serial interface operates at 10400bps, which is slow as sh*t.

I think other domestic vehicles use PWM or something else as the physical-layer protocol, and those offer the option of higher baud rates.

Now, on the other hand... if the Consult-II supports a higher-bitrate protocol, I'd love to see it (and reverse engineer it ). It's conceivable that the Nissan ECU also has a "high bitrate" mode which still uses the standard UART/EIA232 serial protocol.

 

Damn spirilis, are you an IT guy?

 

Consult II, is now available at $5495.00 shipped.

Keith

 

How'd you guess?

 

Keep a look out on Ebay... I have seen them on there a few times, going for 1,500-2,500....Thats pretty cheap compared to some of the prices everyone else is talking about..Never knew they were that much...I guess I never thought about it...My cousin works for a Dealer so I just let him take care of it if my car needs to be consulted...

 

2001-up have high speed DLC connectors for universal scanners. My Autera on Palm M120 rocks, its just as fast as my Consult II

 

I have not had any problems with sample rates, it works pretty well for me. As I was t-shooting a O2 sensor problem, the FSM referrs to the consult II. I thought it may be feasible to get one, as it followed the FSM.
I have not tried the dyno part either, i can never find a spot I can do a 0-60 run froma standstill/ light around here.


But for that price I would rather go with a TC.

 

Sample rates with standard OBD-II isn't so much of a problem for diagnosis, but for instance, my Auterra OBD-II Dyno-Scan unit has a built in "dynamometer" which calculates horsepower/torque based on the OBD-II inputs over time (RPM, vehicle speed, probably the main ones). The problem is, a "dyno" run happens so fast that the samplerate for OBD-II becomes way insufficient to get precise results, however on vehicles that support the Auterra's "Fast Sampling" mode, it is much more accurate.