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Old 12-02-2004, 01:57 PM
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Phantom Grip LSD

I have seen around that there are lds's for our cars, but this one from Phantom Grip seems kinda cool. cheap, and dosent have any bad reviews that I can find (all reviews I have found were A+). I was going to get wheel\tires but if this works good it would save me alot of money. its $300 for the lsd, but information on lsd parts for maximas is difficult to find. Any body got this or know anything else about this product?
 
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lds? lsd? are we talking drugs or parts for our cars. not sure what your talking about
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Old 12-02-2004, 03:08 PM
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Phantom Grip Limited Slip Differential

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Originally Posted by nyautostyle
lds? lsd? are we talking drugs or parts for our cars. not sure what your talking about
....you must be high.

Hind - im curious about aftermarket LSDs as well. I think i remember reading bad things about phantom grip though. I think Quaife makes one that is better. Anyone here have an aftermarket diff?...speak up
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I bought one and it didnt fit my Maxima, tried to put one into a .org-ers Maxima too and it didn't fit. Said if it don't fit you need to grind down the spider gears to make it fit. I wasn't too sure bout grinding down any spider gears- as it will make them weaker and it can blow the diff apart. So I just rebuild my tranny without a PG LSD.
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....you must be high.

Hind - im curious about aftermarket LSDs as well. I think i remember reading bad things about phantom grip though. I think Quaife makes one that is better. Anyone here have an aftermarket diff?...speak up
do you have the link to the thread or info about why it sucks? i must have missed it. I havent found anything that says it was bad.
 
Old 12-03-2004, 05:32 AM
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Im also in the market to get a lsd, and this ones sounds alright the price isnt all to bad either, plus we maxima owners have HORRIBLE traction issues and wheel spin during take off making our 1/4 times in the high 14's STOCK. but if im not wrong with LSD we will have stronger and faster launches brining us into mid 14;s easily . STOCK .
 
Old 12-03-2004, 07:57 AM
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Call DaveB and if you own a 5.5 gen 6 speed you can get the oem LSD for like $499.
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Old 12-03-2004, 12:31 PM
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I got a 2k max. I sent phantom grip an email askin him about fittings on the lsd. we will see what they say.
 
Old 12-03-2004, 12:43 PM
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Of course there going to say it fits just fine. They are designed to fit a wide array of diffs. and fitment for the maxima is not good.
Lets put it this way, I bought one and I still have and open diff.
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in theory it pretty much 2 blocks in the diff to pushing against 2 spyder gears. that pressure will "lock" the wheels together.

all the reviews are good on it because it's just so simple that it will work. downside to this is the constant pressure of the 2 gears may cause the gears to wear faster or cause them to break. also over time the wear between the gears and blocks will increase and the tension on the 2 blocks will be reduced...that in turn will reduce the abillity to lock the wheels together in a hard launch.

if you have the option of having a real LSD then i would pass on the phantom grip...if you're out of choices then the PG might be something you can try.
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if you have a 2k you could get the anniversary edition (or I30) LSD strait from nissan and not worry about fitment. right?
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Originally Posted by mdloops
Call DaveB and if you own a 5.5 gen 6 speed you can get the oem LSD for like $499.

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Old 12-03-2004, 02:44 PM
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Thanks Ness. It is very simple. Call DaveB (888-254-6060) and ask if there are any available. The pantom grip is NOT WORTH IT. I guarantee it will mess up you tranny. Do not put a part in your transmission that is not meant to be there. Nissan made the tranny a certain way for a reason -don't f with that you are just asking for problems.

I don't want to see anybody mess up their tranny when a VERY affordable option exists.

Any reputable company who makes a LSD for an OEM tranny cannot afford to sell their part for $299. The R&D alone costs a fortune. That is why the Quaife costs a ton (I think $1100)
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Old 12-03-2004, 05:34 PM
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So what would you do if you have a AUTO 2k3 max and want LSD? where can i go and what are my options ??
 
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I am not sure what is available for the autos. The LSD may be universal as far as auto/manual but I am not sure. IF you pm SR20 he could tell you. I am not sure what his entire screen name is. Can somebody post it?
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I am not sure what is available for the autos. The LSD may be universal as far as auto/manual but I am not sure. IF you pm SR20 he could tell you. I am not sure what his entire screen name is. Can somebody post it?
The only LSD available (from Nissan) for autos is the '01 AE- and the whole trans case is different so the diff will NOT drop in a non LSD trans. I don't have a Canadian parts catalog, so I don't know what they have- I suspect it's the same trans as the '01 AE.
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Originally Posted by mdloops
Any reputable company who makes a LSD for an OEM tranny cannot afford to sell their part for $299. The R&D alone costs a fortune. That is why the Quaife costs a ton (I think $1100)

I was just looking on Cattmans site and the Quaife ATB diff is $1400. Thats a lot of freakin money but if I was gonna spend $500 for a oem diff I would rather thow down the extra cash and have a quaife diff with a lifetime warranty that includes racing use. Then again you could probably just swap for a six-speed w/hlsd for $1400. Just my .02

Hey Dave,
How much is the oem differential for a vlsd 5-speed?
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Originally Posted by mdloops
I am not sure what is available for the autos. The LSD may be universal as far as auto/manual but I am not sure. IF you pm SR20 he could tell you. I am not sure what his entire screen name is. Can somebody post it?
SR20DEN?..
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Hey Dave,
How much is the oem differential for a vlsd 5-speed?[/QUOTE]

$820! And it won't fit a non-LSD case!
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Old 12-03-2004, 09:12 PM
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Or go to a yard and get 1 if I knew now i would have got a 2001 locking I got mine for $650 and it cost $500 to put in. (take it back take it back
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Phantom grip is not worth it. I would not put a PG on my lawnmower.

Quaife is no longer in production since Cattman cannot get enough people to buy it fast enough to make a profit (I am not blaming them but it sucks) and it is made in UK. The Dollar to pound ratio and all of that is making the price too high. There was an attempt at a group deal. There just wasn't enough interest seemingly. I would be very interested in a quality aftermarket LSD. The only other option is the 01 AE or i30 or Canadian maxima. All of those you have to replace the tranny but the 5th gen 5spds are supposedly a little stronger.
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Originally Posted by h2kSPiG
Quaife is no longer in production since Cattman cannot get enough people to buy it fast enough to make a profit (I am not blaming them but it sucks) and it is made in UK. The Dollar to pound ratio and all of that is making the price too high. There was an attempt at a group deal. There just wasn't enough interest seemingly. I would be very interested in a quality aftermarket LSD. The only other option is the 01 AE or i30 or Canadian maxima. All of those you have to replace the tranny but the 5th gen 5spds are supposedly a little stronger.
No more Quaife huh...that blows. I already have a vlsd 5spd from an AE but i wish there was a nice aftermarket one to replace it at some point.
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What do you mean I have to change the tranny for a vlsd? The OEM system cannot be installed on a US 2k maxima?
 
Old 12-05-2004, 09:21 AM
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Why go aftermarket when there is an OEM solution? The OEM one will hold up just fine as long as your car isn't a race car. Since this is a Maxima forum nobody applies
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Originally Posted by mdloops
Why go aftermarket when there is an OEM solution? The OEM one will hold up just fine as long as your car isn't a race car. Since this is a Maxima forum nobody applies
well, for those who dont have lsd already, you have to shell out at least 2 grand to get the whole tranny and axels (used). For those that already have oem lsd, a well-designed aftermarket lsd would perform better and last longer. The oem design is a 30/70 differential where as the Quaife is (was, anyway) a 50/50. I remember someone explaining to me that a turbo or sc would destroy the stock differential. Please dont ask me to elaborate because i'm no gear head, but if someone could explain this better I would appreciate it.
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hmmm. I forgot there are 5.0 gen guys on this thread too, sorry. I guess for us 5.5 genners since no FI is available there is no problem with stock. For you 3.0L guys it may be a different story. Also with the 5.5 gen guys we don;t need to change axels. I don't have much advise, sorry dude.

So do you have an auto? If so traditionally FI will basically destroy a lot more than a differential in an automatic.
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For the 5spds, I don't have any good input. Don't the 6spds already come with LSDs? If not, the 6spd used in the 5.5 Maxima is the same (don't flame me... I've checked) as the 6spd used in the B15 SE-R Spec-V, and they come stock with a HLSD (not VLSD like the older B15 SE). There are PLENTY of wrecked Spec-Vs around.

Interestingly, the 6spd manual used in the Max and the Spec-V actually isn't a Nissan design. It was made by another Japanese company, and the same transmission is used in the 6spd Hyundai Tiburon V6.
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Originally Posted by mdloops
hmmm. I forgot there are 5.0 gen guys on this thread too, sorry. I guess for us 5.5 genners since no FI is available there is no problem with stock. For you 3.0L guys it may be a different story. Also with the 5.5 gen guys we don;t need to change axels. I don't have much advise, sorry dude.

So do you have an auto? If so traditionally FI will basically destroy a lot more than a differential in an automatic.
ah yes..u have a 2k2 sorry. You 5.5 guys are lucky you can just add the differential. The only way you can have lsd on a 3.0 is if u have an AE or can hunt down an AE/canadian/i30 lsd tranny.

I have a manual btw. Believe me I know auto max trannies suck, I blew mine without the help of an SC or turbo. The tranny im using is a VLSD 5spd out of a AE.
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For the 5spds, I don't have any good input. Don't the 6spds already come with LSDs? If not, the 6spd used in the 5.5 Maxima is the same (don't flame me... I've checked) as the 6spd used in the B15 SE-R Spec-V, and they come stock with a HLSD (not VLSD like the older B15 SE). There are PLENTY of wrecked Spec-Vs around.

Interestingly, the 6spd manual used in the Max and the Spec-V actually isn't a Nissan design. It was made by another Japanese company, and the same transmission is used in the 6spd Hyundai Tiburon V6.
HLSD is an option on the 6spd maximas. The SE-R shares the same tranny as the 5.5 gens (minus the hlsd anyway)???
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Originally Posted by 2kGLE
HLSD is an option on the 6spd maximas. The SE-R shares the same tranny as the 5.5 gens (minus the hlsd anyway)???
The regular SE-R is a 5spd with no LSD. The SE-R Spec V comes with an HLSD from the factory, and it has basically the same 6spd that the Maxima gets (the Spec V gets slightly shorter gearing, though). Spec V drivers benefit from this, because their transmissions can handle the power of a VQ, and their stock QR25 engines are only rated at 175hp at the crank by Nissan.
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