FIRST LOOK! SSR/SFR Turbo Kit for 5th Gen
02-25-2005, 11:17 AM
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Piping looks nice! Quite the feat to get 3" piping into that space.
02-25-2005, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Nissan SE-R
Piping looks nice! Quite the feat to get 3" piping into that space.
Tim says it's now above the brace, so
02-25-2005, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Do you have a pic of how the front / rear manifold pipes were joined together before they enter the turbine? Looks good so far!
02-25-2005, 03:08 PM
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Looking pretty good EXCEPT I worry about the stock fans/shroud melting from the heat of the turbine feed pipe.
Man, I seriously hope they offer a stripped down NON intercooled version of this kit for the VQ30s without tubular headers, IC, compressor discharge piping, fuel management, but everything else. Doubt it though.
Man, I seriously hope they offer a stripped down NON intercooled version of this kit for the VQ30s without tubular headers, IC, compressor discharge piping, fuel management, but everything else. Doubt it though.
02-25-2005, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Looking pretty good EXCEPT I worry about the stock fans/shroud melting from the heat of the turbine feed pipe.
Man, I seriously hope they offer a stripped down NON intercooled version of this kit for the VQ30s without tubular headers, IC, compressor discharge piping, fuel management, but everything else. Doubt it though.
Man, I seriously hope they offer a stripped down NON intercooled version of this kit for the VQ30s without tubular headers, IC, compressor discharge piping, fuel management, but everything else. Doubt it though.
The tubular exhaust manifolds they made are most likely longer than stock, so even the feed pipe wouldn't work alone.
02-25-2005, 03:50 PM
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I want the feed pipe, down pipe, scavenge pump, water/oil lines, turbo mount, CAI tube/filter, clamps, hose connectors, wastegate flange, and that's pretty much it.
If they modify this kit for the VQ30, most likely since it will be VERY very close, hopefully they do it for a car that doesn't currently have headers on it and I'd prefer a FED spec. That way you reduce the cost of this turbo kit by ~$1K by not including tubular headers and instead use a $50 Fed spec junkyard manifold on the front bank, so you don't have any precats.
If they modify this kit for the VQ30, most likely since it will be VERY very close, hopefully they do it for a car that doesn't currently have headers on it and I'd prefer a FED spec. That way you reduce the cost of this turbo kit by ~$1K by not including tubular headers and instead use a $50 Fed spec junkyard manifold on the front bank, so you don't have any precats.
Originally Posted by Larrio
So you basically want a feed pipe and a downpipe. The tubular exhaust manifolds they made are most likely longer than stock, so even the feed pipe wouldn't work alone.
The tubular exhaust manifolds they made are most likely longer than stock, so even the feed pipe wouldn't work alone.
02-25-2005, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Looking pretty good EXCEPT I worry about the stock fans/shroud melting from the heat of the turbine feed pipe.
Also, it's hard to tell from the angle of the pics, just how close the piping really is to the plastic pieces...
02-25-2005, 05:38 PM
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Shhhhh....quit giving away my secrets...well that or an air/water PWR cooler, which would really shorten the compressor discharge volume.
Originally Posted by spanishrice
the only 3 inch pipe in that picture is the downpipe. It looks like a top to bottom flow intercooler would cut back on 3-4 feet of intercooler piping.
02-25-2005, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Shhhhh....quit giving away my secrets...well that or an air/water PWR cooler, which would really shorten the compressor discharge volume.
I suppose that if I found that I was losing a lot of psi through all the piping and intercooler... i could just turn up the boost, right?
02-25-2005, 06:28 PM
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Yep, as long as your IC is efficient enough. However, what you can't change would be the lag from the time it takes to pressurize all that.
Anyways, until you get a dyno, don't worry about our nit picks. There are a dozen ways this could be done, very interesting so far.
Anyways, until you get a dyno, don't worry about our nit picks. There are a dozen ways this could be done, very interesting so far.
02-25-2005, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Anyways, until you get a dyno, don't worry about our nit picks. There are a dozen ways this could be done, very interesting so far.
I can't wait to dyno... hopefully next week.... we'll see...
02-25-2005, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by HNDA ETR
Very true... armchair turbo kit development is always easier than the real thing... lol..
I can't wait to dyno... hopefully next week.... we'll see...
I can't wait to dyno... hopefully next week.... we'll see...
02-25-2005, 08:08 PM
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oh man oh man, i didnt read all 6 pages but roy is this thing installed on ur car? man i gotta see this bad boy at the next meeting. what numbers are u expecting so far? 
02-26-2005, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by spanishrice
ouch thats harsh. But for real a top to bottom flow intercooler would be so much better and really would cut down on pressure drop. Then can be had for $400. And should be plenty for 500-600 whp.
I was just saying that everyone has their own idea on how the kit should be done.... and who knows who's idea is the best way...
02-26-2005, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 98MikeXimaSE
oh man oh man, i didnt read all 6 pages but roy is this thing installed on ur car? man i gotta see this bad boy at the next meeting. what numbers are u expecting so far?
I'm looking for 400hp at the wheels... about 460bhp if you figure a 15% powertrain loss...
02-26-2005, 09:31 AM
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oh my god. i gotta get a ride in that thing the next time we meet up at a meeting.
02-26-2005, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Looking pretty good EXCEPT I worry about the stock fans/shroud melting from the heat of the turbine feed pipe.
Man, I seriously hope they offer a stripped down NON intercooled version of this kit for the VQ30s without tubular headers, IC, compressor discharge piping, fuel management, but everything else. Doubt it though.
Man, I seriously hope they offer a stripped down NON intercooled version of this kit for the VQ30s without tubular headers, IC, compressor discharge piping, fuel management, but everything else. Doubt it though.
02-26-2005, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MyownNismo
I doubt that would happen to since they made there own headers instead of tubular stocks.
02-26-2005, 01:13 PM
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I agree, however that was the most fatal flaw they could have made. By bumping this kits price another $1K or so, they just totally blew the market and won't sell a dent in what they could have.
Anyways, I'm hoping they don't follow that lead *IF* they ever make a VQ30 kit, which again is a much bigger market then the VQ35s will ever be.
Oh well, another company comes so close, but is still so far away from actually making what the customers want.
Anyways, I'm hoping they don't follow that lead *IF* they ever make a VQ30 kit, which again is a much bigger market then the VQ35s will ever be.
Oh well, another company comes so close, but is still so far away from actually making what the customers want.
Originally Posted by MyownNismo
I doubt that would happen to since they made there own headers instead of tubular stocks.
02-26-2005, 01:26 PM
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100000000000x agree....however open up ANY well known turbo manufactures website or book and you'll see they took the cheap and easy route on that IC design.
Will the small lag/pressure drop matter to you and the 5-10 or so other VQ35s that MIGHT buy this kit, probably not. VQ30s have less displacement and if you want a low restriction turbine for good engine VE all of the time, but don't want to suffer a few 100rpm of lag, it could very well make that difference. Minor minor issue that could easily be redone once someone buys this kit for an extra $500 to $1K max.
AGAIN, not bashing, just throwing out "what if" questions, since we've never seen this kit before, no offense especially to you since you're the GUINEA PIG. Trust me, I picked the HELL out of PFIs kit, custom SCers kits, and many other custom ones I've seen. They are all better then what we should expect for the small amount that will be made/sold, however when you look at other more popular car kits that sell 100's of kits, it sucks to know we pay so much more, yet don't get anywhere near the technology/features. I don't mind paying more, but I don't want ANY cut corners or just okay features.
I just wish I had the resources to make my own, but I could easily modify this kit to be damn close to what I wanted. So far, SFR is the ONLY company I'd even consider a kit from.
Will the small lag/pressure drop matter to you and the 5-10 or so other VQ35s that MIGHT buy this kit, probably not. VQ30s have less displacement and if you want a low restriction turbine for good engine VE all of the time, but don't want to suffer a few 100rpm of lag, it could very well make that difference. Minor minor issue that could easily be redone once someone buys this kit for an extra $500 to $1K max.
AGAIN, not bashing, just throwing out "what if" questions, since we've never seen this kit before, no offense especially to you since you're the GUINEA PIG. Trust me, I picked the HELL out of PFIs kit, custom SCers kits, and many other custom ones I've seen. They are all better then what we should expect for the small amount that will be made/sold, however when you look at other more popular car kits that sell 100's of kits, it sucks to know we pay so much more, yet don't get anywhere near the technology/features. I don't mind paying more, but I don't want ANY cut corners or just okay features.
I just wish I had the resources to make my own, but I could easily modify this kit to be damn close to what I wanted. So far, SFR is the ONLY company I'd even consider a kit from.
Originally Posted by HNDA ETR
Very true... armchair turbo kit development is always easier than the real thing... lol..
I can't wait to dyno... hopefully next week.... we'll see...
I can't wait to dyno... hopefully next week.... we'll see...
02-28-2005, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by IceY2K1
HNDA ETR,
SFR converted you to a return fuel setup, correct? If so, any details?
SFR converted you to a return fuel setup, correct? If so, any details?
03-08-2005, 12:48 AM
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Pics of the Downpipe and Crossover pipe:
Pics of most of the piping getting ready to go to the thermal coaters (except for the lower pipe - that's the pipe going from the turbo to the intercooler):
Pics of most of the piping getting ready to go to the thermal coaters (except for the lower pipe - that's the pipe going from the turbo to the intercooler):
03-08-2005, 01:06 AM
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wowo thats a lot of plumbing there I hope all goes well i can wait to look at the auto version under my hood some time. oh and BTW Comp to the Welder those are some damn clean beads
03-08-2005, 06:30 PM
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daaamn. that's all I can say for now. being so busy lately I missed out on lots of things, this being the biggest. Good luck with all the stuff, and if emissions become a problem let me know I'm pretty sure there few people I know who are willing to work something out
03-08-2005, 09:09 PM
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51mm WG ? Why ? This WG alone is around 600 bux, 40mm would be plenty for 400WHP and the price is around 240 bux if you shop around. Few things I see I would have done diff, but I'm awaiting results.
This all assumes a properly sized turbo, and all other things equal of course.
03-08-2005, 10:51 PM
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Let me guess....auto 5th gen 3.0L drivers(like me) are left out of the forced induction party again? 
03-09-2005, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by carabuser
... I'm pretty sure there few people I know who are willing to work something out
I'm sure this will definitely be an issue...
