Ok here is the deal, tomorrow I am going to race my maxima (2000 Gxe) against my friends maxima (1998 Se). My car is stock, and his has a fender intake, and a Y-Pipe. So who do u think will win.

 

none.. don't do it. and be safe.....

 

Auto, 5 speed?

 

Neither, take it to a track.

 

Both are auto, and we are going to the track.

 

Damn I wish I could go... I would love to see what I could do vs your cars.

 

Yeah, they have jet dragsters at the great lakes dragway every wednesday now, man those things are great.

 

Depends on the wheels.
Take a look at this: https://maxima.org/modules.php?name=30_comparisons

 

Yeah good point

 

ibtl..........

 

it both are stock, I think se will beat gxe, I got a 98se & 00gle, I had a feeling of the acceralation are better of the se, smoother and quicker respond, no data to confirm, just by feel, anybody can confirm that?

 

just curios, why are you asking this question right before the actual race?
are not you going to find out, for sure, without any speculation?

 

my guess would be the 98 cause from what i've heard 00-01 autos are the slowest maxs out there.....

 

98 should win. the 2000/2001 auto is pretty slow.

 

Thats a load of BS, the 00/01 Auto will wipe the floor with any older max...
The auto is even quicker then the stick shift if you unlock the computer to go over the rev limit. Your hand will never be quicker then an auto. Period.

 

dude. c'mon.

 

Ask any professional.
Take 2 of the same cars, reprogram their ECU without a rev limiter and set the auto tranny to shift quick and precise. Guranteed that the auto will have a small lead.

 

you are going to be hard pressed to find anyone to agree that a 2000/2001 auto max is faster than a 2000/2001 5 speed max. they don't even feel like the same car. not even close. the power loss in the drive train is just way too much to make up for, no matter where you program the shift points in the auto.

 

eh, if we had 5AT's MAYBE

 

Why should opinions and what people think matter? Just race em and post the results....

 

i agree with my 2000 auto is slow.... sometimes i wondering if i can beat an V6 accord.... my mom's 2000 TL can walk away from me easily....

 

We have the longest gears, it doesnt matter if you can make your auto shift quicker. Four long gears, you will lose to a 5speed. If we had the 5speed auto, it would be a closer race where the Auto might win

 

As discussed before, auto shifts made right before 6000RPM well below 6400RPM at which point peak power are produced. Major reason why auto slower than manual, along with 4 gears vs 5 gears but not much.

 

Right but I also said with an unlocked Rev limiter.
I see what you guys are saying 4 gears to 5 but i raced my friends 00 stick SE and we were quite even, although I did have an intake.

 

You are correct in saying that under many circumstances in certain high hp cars, auto trannys will give better times at the track.

Mainly it is because driveline losses of the auto are overcome by the ability of the auto to yield consistent more easily controlled results.

BUT that doesn't apply to the maximas we are discussing because no amount of tweaking is going to make the 4spd auto overcome the difference in driveline losses. IN FACT, with the 2k/2k1 maxima the 5spds turn in far better times not only because of the driveline loss difference but because they can slip the clutch at the launch from high rpms. That's the only way to get decent times with this car.

Also, I just went outside but could not find the "shift quick and precise" setting on my wife's 96. Is that just a 2k/2k1 feature?

 

well....i notice this every time i run other cars that are 5spds or 6spds...every time our cars shift, we're back in the no power zone... if you're racing a car that really isn't faster than you, it won't matter, but if it's even, he can use it to his advantage and have the slight edge on you.

i ran an a4 5spd on the way home from work, i knew it was modded and he wanted to go, so we did a couple runs...every time i shifted and i was back in the no power zone, i was afraid he'd pull, but our torque is too much for those lil 1.8T's
at the next light he gave me a thumbs up while his gf was laughing, and he yelled "you got the bigger motor!" i wanted to yell back "i got an auto!!" but i didn't lol
OT I know, but the point is, in theory a 5spd has the advantage, but in real life "it's up to the driver" (i hate cliches, sue me)

 

Someone then would argue that your friend can't drive stick.

 

The unlocked rev limiter will make things WORSE for an auto - unless you are relying upon driver error.

The advantage of the 5spd is there is less hp lost from the crank to the wheels. Because these cars (at least the de-k) have most of their hp at high rpms, the auto will lose MORE hp at higher rpms.

To head off the argument by the math impaired - assume 200hp at redline with 15% loss for the stick and 25% loss for the auto: stick puts down 170, auto 150. If you do the analysis at 100hp it is 85 to 75. So at redline the auto is putting down 10 less hp [the actual percentages don't matter by the way].

 

is there such a thing as getting a 5 speed auto tranny for our car?

 

not really OUR car but the altimas/6th gen max's have 5AT's

 

6th gen are 5sp auto. i imagine you could do a tranny swap, but that would prolly cost close to a 2k/2k1 max.

 

Oh yeah, the added revlimit does this to the gears in the Auto:

Gear - 6500 - 7000
1 - 45mph - 55mph
2 - 75+mph - Close to 90+
3 - 127mph - ???
4 - 183mph - ???

That is like a freaking supercar, our gears are very long.

 

because we drive supercars