super6

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so i got a new K&N filter but i know the oil from the filter f's up the maf (already replaced one) so i decided to rince it before putting it in. and wow, i got a sink full of some red shiit as well as a whole lot of oil. check out the link to the pic below, no wounder we blow the mafs, all this would end up on ur maf and in ur manifold. i had to wash it like 5 times to get rid of the oil, even then it wasnt 100% oil free. i guess its worth to spend the extra $$ on an apexi filter, but if u get a new kn make sure to wash it i guess.

pic: http://www.sounddomain.com/ride/570891/4

upstatemax

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I have been running K&N for three+ years and it has never blown a MAF, they were weak to start with. I blew three or four MAF, after the last one was installed I also put in a K&N and it goes as strong as ever.

Our MAF problems have nothing to do with K&N filters, only if some tard really over oils it.

zzzwilliams3200

The last time I checked the K+N filter needs that oil to filter correctly, that why they sell a recharge kit with cleaner and oil to reoil it. Not saying that the oil that you washed off wouldnt contribute to the maf sensor failure, but you will be sucking in a lot more dirt without that oil to catch it. Probably not a good idea to give advice to wash the K+N of oil before you use it.

upstatemax

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Another really good point. That oil is there for a reason, I would rather take a chance of blowing a MAF than sucking in a ton of dirt.

NmexMAX

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Well, from the looks of it, it seems as if you oiled it too much

super6

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wow, every time i see ur name ur aways flaming on somebody, u have my deepest apology if this is a repost, just thought it was intresting how much oil comes on the filter, and read before u post a dumb remark i didnt oil it too much it came like that.

Puppetmaster

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The amount of oil that comes with the K&N filters new has never been a problem for me. I've had 2 filters for over 40K miles and am still on my original MAF.

Once again.... does an oily filter increase your risk of MAF failure? Yes. Does MAF failure mean that your filter had too much oil? Maybe, maybe not. Like someone already said, the MAFs are weak regardless, so MAF failure is not always due to an oily filter. The information in this thread is misleading.

SEmy2K2go

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I guess the question that comes to mind is, have you actually had any issues with your MAF with your K&N installed?

NmexMAX

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Not yet ...



Find a thread that's not a repost, or when I'm not in a flaming mood.

SEmy2K2go

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I meant super6

NmexMAX

iTrader: (22)

Ahh, well, there's one more testimonial for you.

reMaxxxK

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half year on mine, no problem yet.... with the original MAF

super6

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when i installed my intake with kn filter, the maf blew within a few months. i cant say it was due to the oil, but 73k and no problems before the intake.

i do not mean to give misleading info here, or to say maf failure is caused by filter oil. i just thought it was intresting just how much oil and that red stuff there is, and a good amount of it will end up in ur maf>manifold, thats it.

and in reference to this being a repost NmexMAX why dont u find us a thread with some pictures showing amount of oil and other stuff taken off a filter.

Igor911

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I blew my MAF once using the popin K&N. I over-oiled it tho...thats what the dealer told me. Lucky me, they replaced it for free

geenowalker

Whats the deal with the oiled air filters? (just curious, not being argumentative). I have been running standard airfilters and have 128K on my 00 SE. My friend and I were having this conversation last weekend as he was roasted on the Honda forum for putting regular filters in his Civic. My MAF went at 117K and he has never had a problem on his civic which just passed 264K (clutch died on I80 - NJ last week). Without consistency on the oiling, wouldn't that change the airlflow?
Just curious.

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Larrio

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As a precaution, I always insert little strips of paper towels in between the filter grooves on the k&n before putting it in my car. You'll be surprised how much excessive oil gets taken out.

I've run both k&n drop-in filter and the usual pop charger types on two different vehicles in 5 years with no problems.

2002 Maxima SE

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I haven't read any other post...and this has probably already been said...but it clearly states in the literature, the advertising and even the box. The K&N is a PREOILED cotton gauze filter. It's supposed to have oil on it. The red stuff is dyed oil.

doublea

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I've been using a Japanes filter ( cant remember the brand ) which is similar to a K&N filter and I kept it clean using the K&N recharge kit for a good 3 years and never had to replace a MAF, maybe canadian maxima have better MAF.

super6

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while that is true, i believe that much of that reason is so they can sell those filter recharge kits. the job of the oil is simply to remove and trap dirt. however any dirt thats able to get in through the gauze has to be so tiny i hightly doubt it will have any effect on your engine and maf.

spirilis

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I've never blown a MAF. I installed a new MAF to see if it'd give me any driveability difference (not a whole lot, but it did a *little* bit... seems to respond quicker to throttle blips) but didn't do it because it died. I've used K&N filters most of the time I've had the car, either pod filters on an intake or panel filter in the stock airbox.

NmexMAX

iTrader: (22)

Never say NevAr ..

spirilis

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I spit, not swallow.

Lontar1

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I have never had a problem with the MAF and I have been using the K&N since the car was new 5 years ago.

super6

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thats cause ur 01, they have the better maf

upstatemax

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Wrong again, They use the oil to trap dirt so they can use less paper. A dry filter needs much more paper to stop and filter dirt as well as a K&N, causing less flow.

So with the oil, K&N filters can filter really well and flow even better.

boondoxmax

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I won't put a K&N filter anywhere near my max. Because our MAF are suspect why risk it. Come on now K&N filter adds like 2-3 hp. Is it worth blowing a 400.00 MAF on the 02-03 maxima. I had one on my jetta and it didn't seem worth it..........Stock is fine.

2002 Maxima SE

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Huh?

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upstatemax

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Ours are less than $100 (00-01)






I guess just one more reason the 3.0 is better than the 3.5

NmexMAX

iTrader: (22)

And can be used in 02/3.

upstatemax

iTrader: (15)

Direct fit, no CEL?

igzy

iTrader: (18)

There is some modifying required to add a thermister... There is a how-to somewhere around here...

HotshotVQ35

iTrader: (5)

anyone know where to get an apexi filter for cheap? my k&N is dirty and i want to replace it with the apexi. i found this link...

http://store.racinglab.com/appowinairfi.html

anyone?

NmexMAX

iTrader: (22)

.

Puppetmaster

iTrader: (48)

Google? eBay? Cattman had some too....

HotshotVQ35

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living up to your title?


didnt know cattman had them, i'll have to give him a call

NmexMAX

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Nope, just answering your question ..

ghostrider17

iTrader: (6)

I agree with this 100%.
I have always wanted an Intake, but haven't done it due to this issue. I'm not interested in blowing $400+ on a new MAF. Stock works for me too. 40k miles, no issues -- knock on wood!
gr

zoner

Totally right upstatemax

Just check out pg 150 of the December R&T magazine. A guy with a 2000 Maxima SE wrote in complaining that his MAF blew because of his K&N. R&T's response:
'...Excess oil can foul the air sensor, and people tend to over-oil K&N filters while servicing them. It's easy to do as it takes time (hours) for the oil to migrate to all parts of the cotton gauze, tempting additional application of oil'

K&N gives detailed instructions in their filter service kits, and supplies oil in aerosol form to ease oil application. It doesn't take much oil to service a filter; at the K&N facory the brand-new, never oiled filters are given a quick bead of oil that in no way covers or comes close to saturating the cotton filter element. Yet by the time the filter is packaged and travels to the warehouse and then the retail store, the oil has migrated trhought the filter to form a a uniform color.

In other words - don't put nearly as much oil on the filter as you think you need to and read the instructions...

ironmax

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AEM has developed a filter that does not need oiling. Here is the link:
http://www.aempower.com/press_events_detail.asp?aid=58
What excuse are they going to come up with next for blown mafs. You can take oil out the equation and still have the same problem it's just a poorly designed part if oil and dirt were the problem we would have a lot more vehicles besides the maxima with blown mafs.

Deckdout2

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I guess I can say, you respectfully earned your title.