The Great Brake Pad And Rotors Thread.
Nope, I've used Hawk HPS in my integra, my honda, my stock maxima brakes, my 6th gen brakes, and my z32 brakes and never had that problem. Sure, occasionally I'll go through a spell where there's some squealing, but once I relube the slide pins on the caliper and re-gunk the backs of the pads its good to go again....
That may help the problem, but I dont know about you but I dont want to do that every 10k on my daily driver.
...going to sell my stillen sides and rear this winter and get some nice rotors and pads.
Man I need to get a job with better hours. You deff have some time on your hands. Lately I have been doing 110 miles of driving a day 6 days a week.. so you can imagine just how fast I rack up 10,000 miles on my car.
I'm at a loss here....2 years ago I replaced my OEM with brembo blanks...and PBR semi metallics...developed a nice pulsating feeling after 5-6k.....a year later I get fed up with them and get new brembo blanks...and hawk HPS....~10k I get pulsation again...not as bad as before...but it is there....am I doing something wrong? I'm going by the correct installation procedures...bedding in....tourqued the wheels... I'm going to ride these out for a bit but is there a fix or a possible issue....My thought of doing hard stops frequently to try to get any possible materilal of the rotors....
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brake pads
One thing I can't figure out...
Why does every pad mfgr I read about have those who love them and those who hate them, and they are on opposite sides of the table over the same characteristic: noise, bite, dust, etc.
I am looking to buy new pads, and eliminate the "pad transfer" issue, and want extremely quiet pads. Dust: really not much of a concern. What does one get? There is next to no common opinion on pads, and that makes it appear to be a "try and see" thing. The mfgr process can't/won't vary that much. What makes the diff? The only thing I can figure is it is in assembly and bedding process.
Any opinions? I was all set to get the Hawk HPS and then I step back again and think about all the post about noisy brakes. Is that the poor bedding process? What gives? Once installed, all pads of the same type should perform similarly...but they DON'T. WHY NOT??????
Why does every pad mfgr I read about have those who love them and those who hate them, and they are on opposite sides of the table over the same characteristic: noise, bite, dust, etc.
I am looking to buy new pads, and eliminate the "pad transfer" issue, and want extremely quiet pads. Dust: really not much of a concern. What does one get? There is next to no common opinion on pads, and that makes it appear to be a "try and see" thing. The mfgr process can't/won't vary that much. What makes the diff? The only thing I can figure is it is in assembly and bedding process.
Any opinions? I was all set to get the Hawk HPS and then I step back again and think about all the post about noisy brakes. Is that the poor bedding process? What gives? Once installed, all pads of the same type should perform similarly...but they DON'T. WHY NOT??????
I am looking to buy new pads, and eliminate the "pad transfer" issue, and want extremely quiet pads. What does one get? There is next to no common opinion on pads, and that makes it appear to be a "try and see" thing.
Any opinions? I was all set to get the Hawk HPS and then I step back again and think about all the post about noisy brakes. Is that the poor bedding process? What gives? Once installed, all pads of the same type should perform similarly...but they DON'T. WHY NOT??????
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Modern finishes are resistant/immune to those issues for the most part, unless you buy cheapie wheels.
I like stopping. Ceramic pads do not stop as well. Bite sucks, and cold bite sucks more.
george, just get these, dork:
http://www.kleenwheels.com/about_kleenwheels.htm
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Am i too cheap?
OK, I've got an 03 Max SE with just barely 50k miles. Only major mx so far was to replace the original tires with Yokos at 34k.
1. Last oil change (at Nissan $25) the guy tells me i will need rear pads soon but the front were OK. That was in Sep 07. Last week, after tiring of the occasional squeal, I take my car into a local repair shop that seems to specialize in brakes (Car-X, midwest only). Manager tells me rear are definitely low and fronts are soon to follow. He takes me out to the car and shows me all four wheels. Rear pads were low but what surprised me was that the wear was uneven on each wheel (i.e., within the caliper, the two pads had worn unevenly). Thoughts?
2. I decided to have the rear pads replaced as they were low but the shop only uses Wagner pads (quickstop; ZD900 rear). total cost was $80 before tax and they have a lifetime pad warranty - i would pay the labor charge of $40 per axle for any future brake work (after the 12mo/12k mile full warranty)...pads are labeled "organic" (not ceramic) but are definitely not semi-metallic. What should i be worried about during the initial bedding period?
3. Front pads will need replacing soon. How can i tell when as i do not want to replace rotors unnecessarily?
From Wagner web site:
"OE-Spec Quality at a Reasonable Price
Wagner QuickStop brake pads and shoes are available for today’s popular cars, trucks and SUVs. The design of these pads and shoes follows the original equipment specifications and features:
* Shims, slots, chamfers and wear sensors that match OE on key applications
* Coverage for popular vehicle applications when price is an issue
* Dependable performance with disc brake pads and shoes that are consistent with OE standards
* Integrally-molded attachments
* Asbestos-free friction material
Here’s how QuickStop stacks up in desirable features:
* Quiet performance: Good
* Stopping performance: Superior
* Coverage: 95 percent of all passenger vehicles, SUVs and light trucks
* Friction formulation: Matches OE — metallic, organic, ceramic
* Integrally-molded: Available in all applications
* Wear sensor: Matches OE design
* Caliper availability: Available in loaded caliper"
http://www.federal-mogul.com/en/Afte...cle/Quickstop/
1. Last oil change (at Nissan $25) the guy tells me i will need rear pads soon but the front were OK. That was in Sep 07. Last week, after tiring of the occasional squeal, I take my car into a local repair shop that seems to specialize in brakes (Car-X, midwest only). Manager tells me rear are definitely low and fronts are soon to follow. He takes me out to the car and shows me all four wheels. Rear pads were low but what surprised me was that the wear was uneven on each wheel (i.e., within the caliper, the two pads had worn unevenly). Thoughts?
2. I decided to have the rear pads replaced as they were low but the shop only uses Wagner pads (quickstop; ZD900 rear). total cost was $80 before tax and they have a lifetime pad warranty - i would pay the labor charge of $40 per axle for any future brake work (after the 12mo/12k mile full warranty)...pads are labeled "organic" (not ceramic) but are definitely not semi-metallic. What should i be worried about during the initial bedding period?
3. Front pads will need replacing soon. How can i tell when as i do not want to replace rotors unnecessarily?
From Wagner web site:
"OE-Spec Quality at a Reasonable Price
Wagner QuickStop brake pads and shoes are available for today’s popular cars, trucks and SUVs. The design of these pads and shoes follows the original equipment specifications and features:
* Shims, slots, chamfers and wear sensors that match OE on key applications
* Coverage for popular vehicle applications when price is an issue
* Dependable performance with disc brake pads and shoes that are consistent with OE standards
* Integrally-molded attachments
* Asbestos-free friction material
Here’s how QuickStop stacks up in desirable features:
* Quiet performance: Good
* Stopping performance: Superior
* Coverage: 95 percent of all passenger vehicles, SUVs and light trucks
* Friction formulation: Matches OE — metallic, organic, ceramic
* Integrally-molded: Available in all applications
* Wear sensor: Matches OE design
* Caliper availability: Available in loaded caliper"
http://www.federal-mogul.com/en/Afte...cle/Quickstop/
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i was running stock rotors with hawks, i went through a period of 'spirited driving' while trying to evade a certain vehicle following me. Several topped out to 0 stops in the course of a few mins...pads held up fine. Front rotors developed mass stress marks. And front passenger side rotor cracked in 4 places. I think i may try a cross drilled rotor to prevent such similar future problems.
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Are all rotors made in China now? Wagner, Napa Ultra, etc...
2003 Max SE (stock, 56k miles)...I need advice on whether to put Wagner rotors (BD125799) or Napa Ultra Premium rotors (UP 880074) on my front wheels. Pricing is similar at about $45 each (local retail store)
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I'm stuck between two different choices, and I want some advice. It would seem the consensuses is to get Hawks but, having received my Max with horribly grinding/squealing brakes that are totally dead I want something DEAD QUITE! I heard that the Hawks squeal sometimes, I'm poor, and I don't race so those dont fit the bill. I really just want a brake pad capable of the occasional hard stomping, but offer total serenity...
That leads me to this, do I want ceramics? I heard that they are decent for everyday use with a little heat but I have lots of idiot drivers around here and I'm afraid of warping my rotor...
I'm down to either PowerStop brakes or Duralast. Duralast has a new brake line called C-MAX, they are part of the GOLD series. The only catch is that the rears are only available semi-metallic. The ProStop are what are used on Police Fleets from what I heard and they have Ceramics available all the way around.
I want good stopping and serenity, which of the two should I get?
That leads me to this, do I want ceramics? I heard that they are decent for everyday use with a little heat but I have lots of idiot drivers around here and I'm afraid of warping my rotor...
I'm down to either PowerStop brakes or Duralast. Duralast has a new brake line called C-MAX, they are part of the GOLD series. The only catch is that the rears are only available semi-metallic. The ProStop are what are used on Police Fleets from what I heard and they have Ceramics available all the way around.
I want good stopping and serenity, which of the two should I get?
every other day....
Don't believe me on the dusting? Here's a pic. Washed it yesterday afternoon. They look like TE wheels after a day with all the dust!
I should have wiped part of it to show it better, but there's a ton of dust. I've driven around 125 miles since the carwash.
Don't believe me on the dusting? Here's a pic. Washed it yesterday afternoon. They look like TE wheels after a day with all the dust!
I should have wiped part of it to show it better, but there's a ton of dust. I've driven around 125 miles since the carwash.
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This looks like it's been on going thread so I guess my question is has anyone came to a better conclusion? Nobody will ever fully agree on the same issue but I am in need of brakes at this point and what I was wondering is can we use a larger Brembo blank on the front and back? If so what size brembo blanks can i order for my 01 se? And for daily driving has anyone found a good brake pad that hasn't caused alot of brake dust yet?
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Brembo blank part numbers front and rear?
I have an 02 SE and I am planning on replacing my rotors with Brembo blank rotors front and rear. It is my daily driver and I do not race it at a track or anything like that. My average commute is 125-200miles a day and currently have 160K on the original rotors.
Does anyone have the part number for the front and rear for the Brembo blanks? Are brembo blanks the term used to describe OEM-like rotors or is that the actual name from Brembo?
I checked Amazon.com for pricing and got part number BDR25642 for the front and BR25542 for the rear. I just want to confirm these are the Brembo blanks and associated part numbers. If not please reply back with the correct one.
I am thinking of going with OEM replacement rotors as well due to the price difference. What is a good brand? I was looking through eBay and came accross a business named R1 Concepts and they sell a complete front and rear OEM set for $92.77 shipped. It's Item number: 370212192425.
Also, I am going with the Hawk HPS front and rear pads based on numerous recommendations. Can someone confirm that these are the correct part numbers for an 02 Maxima?
HB268F.665 Front
HB378F.626 Rear
Also, how many pounds should I set my torque wrench to tighten down the rotors?
Thank you all in advance.
Does anyone have the part number for the front and rear for the Brembo blanks? Are brembo blanks the term used to describe OEM-like rotors or is that the actual name from Brembo?
I checked Amazon.com for pricing and got part number BDR25642 for the front and BR25542 for the rear. I just want to confirm these are the Brembo blanks and associated part numbers. If not please reply back with the correct one.
I am thinking of going with OEM replacement rotors as well due to the price difference. What is a good brand? I was looking through eBay and came accross a business named R1 Concepts and they sell a complete front and rear OEM set for $92.77 shipped. It's Item number: 370212192425.
Also, I am going with the Hawk HPS front and rear pads based on numerous recommendations. Can someone confirm that these are the correct part numbers for an 02 Maxima?
HB268F.665 Front
HB378F.626 Rear
Also, how many pounds should I set my torque wrench to tighten down the rotors?
Thank you all in advance.
Last edited by rcjunkie; Jun 8, 2009 at 11:45 PM.
See the first post in this thread - http://forums.maxima.org/group-deals...discounts.html
I just purchased the Napa Ultra Premium Rotors and There Adaptive One line of brake pads,I have no quams with them so far, no dust hardly, quiet smooth braking. So far iam satisfied.
at the top , on mine there is a small spring clip that goes under the screecher and acts as a spring, top on both sides, its attached to the metal shims that clip to the caliper for the brake pad guide.
See some of the pictures in this thread.
http://forums.maxima.org/5th-generat...reat-pics.html
Last edited by vball_max; Nov 23, 2009 at 06:37 AM.
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All 4 pads should have a wear tab on them. Just like professor said, they go at the top and a small arm extends from the top shim and goes in the hole into the wear tab on both the inboard and outboard side.
See some of the pictures in this thread.
http://forums.maxima.org/5th-generat...reat-pics.html
See some of the pictures in this thread.
http://forums.maxima.org/5th-generat...reat-pics.html
However, I am still confused. My HAWK pads came in a box with 4 pads, one pair for each front wheel. Each pair only had a heavy gauge metal tab attached to one pad per pair. (See pic I borrowed from "godlyone's" thread depicting a pad with tab I am referring to).
I am not sure I see how the tab on the pad relates to the clips/pads slides.
Last edited by SpottyJ; Nov 24, 2009 at 03:07 AM.
Bump for a great Thread everyone should read
What are the best pads out there?
- In my opinion, Hawk HPS are the best for street driving and light track duty because:
1. low dust
2. quiet
3. good heat ratings
4. no/minimal pad material transfer onto rotors
5. good initial bite, cold or warm
6. little to no fade
DO NOT BUY OEM PADS or "OEM REPLACEMENTS" or other cheapo pads from your local Autozone or Pep Boys.
carry on....
Yes you can order the hawks online still but thats not an option for me (no time).
That being said could I purchase the best pads the store offers -
Wagner Thermo Quiets for $61.00 ? Or am I still going to get the "OEM Replacement" Results as Irish described above?
Thanks in advance for any input on the runner up.
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better suggestion: go to sears and buy a caliper tool. They don't cost much and will work on almost any car you ever own...
EBC pads have a good track reputation, but I didn't really like them when I used them years ago.....
Nope, I've used Hawk HPS in my integra, my honda, my stock maxima brakes, my 6th gen brakes, and my z32 brakes and never had that problem. Sure, occasionally I'll go through a spell where there's some squealing, but once I relube the slide pins on the caliper and re-gunk the backs of the pads its good to go again....
EBC pads have a good track reputation, but I didn't really like them when I used them years ago.....
Nope, I've used Hawk HPS in my integra, my honda, my stock maxima brakes, my 6th gen brakes, and my z32 brakes and never had that problem. Sure, occasionally I'll go through a spell where there's some squealing, but once I relube the slide pins on the caliper and re-gunk the backs of the pads its good to go again....
