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Old Aug 17, 2007 | 12:15 PM
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help with my vafc2

Hey guys, I'm having a problem with my vafc2. I installed it a couple of days ago and everything seems to be right. The throttle position is perfect, reads all the way from 0-100. There is one thing that is off though. The revs are off. Everything below 3,000 is accurate, but anything above that is really off. For example, my car will be at 5,700 rpm, but the vfac2 will read 5,000. What could be the problem. I would appreciate the help. Thanks

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Old Aug 17, 2007 | 12:36 PM
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whats the tach read when you are at redline? our tachs are off pretty bad and you could possibly just have a REALLY bad one
Old Aug 17, 2007 | 12:39 PM
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my tach is correct, it hits the limiter around 6500, 6600, but the vafc2 will read like 5500
Old Aug 17, 2007 | 01:40 PM
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what are the settings you are using?
Old Aug 17, 2007 | 01:43 PM
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im using 1 in 1 out, up right arrow, and vtec type 1.
Old Aug 17, 2007 | 01:46 PM
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did you make sure to do the throttle learning procedure before you started the car the first time?

PS: is it a constant low value or does it get further off if you rev higher?
Old Aug 17, 2007 | 02:36 PM
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it gets further off as i rev higher
Old Aug 18, 2007 | 11:29 AM
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Did you use 6 cyl? And yes, these tachs are off something sick, and yes it gets worse as you rev higher.

See what your car cuts out @, and see if you can do a peak/hold to verify what RPM the VAFC is seeing when it cuts out(rev limiter)
Old Aug 20, 2007 | 08:39 PM
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if you havent gotten it yet, i have your solution:

1)initialize all settings (if you have corrections made, copy them onto a piece of paper first)
2)turn car off, then back on (no start!!)
3)set-up vafc BEFORE you start the engine
4)enjoy your vafc-II that now shows true rpm.


sorry to bump this thread, just wanted to make sure hes got it working
Old Aug 20, 2007 | 08:44 PM
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He got it last week some time. No worries.
Old Aug 20, 2007 | 09:15 PM
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He got it last week some time. No worries.
i may or may not have had experience with this recently so just though i would make sure
Old Aug 21, 2007 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by DasYears
i may or may not have had experience with this recently so just though i would make sure
There was never a problem wit ther OP's set-up. He just wasn't aware of how bad the stock tach was off. I ran him through a quick exercise (rev in neutral to rev limit) and see what values were seen. It was 6530, so that tels me there's not a problem.
Old Aug 21, 2007 | 08:21 AM
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yeah, i read the directions wrong and would hit initialize after i set it up every time. decided i would check what it said at rev limit...6130. i WTFed?!?!? for a few mins, then tried turning it off and setting it up again. much better now...verified at 6749 lol
Old Aug 21, 2007 | 11:40 AM
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yeah, i read the directions wrong and would hit initialize after i set it up every time. decided i would check what it said at rev limit...6130. i WTFed?!?!? for a few mins, then tried turning it off and setting it up again. much better now...verified at 6749 lol
Ya i did the same thing w/ the initialize feature. I would hit the rev limiter at like 9K rpm cuz it thought it was a 4 cylinder.
Old Aug 21, 2007 | 12:16 PM
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verified at 6749 lol
Highest stock A33B yet.
Old Aug 21, 2007 | 12:35 PM
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thought it was weird but meh, whatcha gonna do. 6650~6750
Old Aug 21, 2007 | 12:59 PM
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Highest stock A33B yet.
BTW, it was in neutral so it probly got above the 6650 fuel cut just from momentum...makes sense to me.
Old Aug 21, 2007 | 01:01 PM
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I wonder what it would do (WRT max RPM) on a dyno.

Mine never went above 6530 on the dyno, IIRC.
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I wonder what it would do (WRT max RPM) on a dyno.

Mine never went above 6530 on the dyno, IIRC.
dynotune on monday...we shall see
Old Aug 21, 2007 | 01:03 PM
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does the vafc display the same as the tach? cause my tach reads about 6750 at fuel cut (pretty accurate for an a33b, i know) interesting that they would both be wrong though if not reading the same signal
Old Aug 21, 2007 | 01:11 PM
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My tach begins to read 'off' from 4k+, and just gets worse as the RPM rises. Verified that my SAFCII and OBDII software which both see what seems to be the same exact reading, whereas the tach is just off in comparison.

If you tapped into the proper signals, it should be fine, i.e. reading what the engine is seeing and not what that tach is seeing. When you dyno, you will see the results via runfiles since the signal is tapped on the CP.

Be sure to wrap only ONE wire from the CP.
Old Aug 21, 2007 | 01:31 PM
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My tach begins to read 'off' from 4k+, and just gets worse as the RPM rises. Verified that my SAFCII and OBDII software which both see what seems to be the same exact reading, whereas the tach is just off in comparison.

If you tapped into the proper signals, it should be fine, i.e. reading what the engine is seeing and not what that tach is seeing. When you dyno, you will see the results via runfiles since the signal is tapped on the CP.

Be sure to wrap only ONE wire from the CP.
lol @ wrapping more than one wire
Old Aug 21, 2007 | 01:34 PM
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lol @ wrapping more than one wire
Some shops wrap the entire thing, since there are 3 wires wrapped inside the electrical tape going to the CP. Make sure it's not even close to other wires because then your runfiles will be nearly useless when trying to compare RPM.

You'd be surprised as to how many A33B & A34 owners have that random signal loss in their runfiles.
Old Aug 21, 2007 | 01:46 PM
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ill have to make sure they know whats up. if a get useless runfiles after $100/hr ima be pissed. im already getting jacked
Old Aug 22, 2007 | 02:47 PM
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ill have to make sure they know whats up. if a get useless runfiles after $100/hr ima be pissed. im already getting jacked
They're not completely useless. Only when comparing RPM they are.
Old Aug 22, 2007 | 04:05 PM
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well it would be hard to tune a vafc without useful rpm data
Old Aug 22, 2007 | 04:08 PM
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I'm guessing you have never experienced this, nor have 'tuned' using a VAFCII?

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I'm guessing you have never experienced this, nor have 'tuned' using a VAFCII?

nope. never really even dyno'd before.
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 06:06 AM
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It's pet peeve of mine when I see missing #'s like this.

Like seen here: (Courtesy of 96sleeper)



What it does to the .drf is lose all tq #'s after that signal loss. So, say one wants to compare one dyno to another @ a certain RPM using the data vs the graph, it cannot be done. But it does nothing to afect power vs speed/time or any other parameter, JUST RPM.
Old Aug 23, 2007 | 08:12 AM
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those gaps...ugh. yeah that would annoy me too. wrapping one wire will be the first thing i tell the operator
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