It's in the stickies under "rules"

#18

Everyone, noob or veteran, will be playing nice in here, or you will be gone. Baiting, instigating, and flaming will not be tolerated. Take note.

 

very vague rule
if you dont want veterans reminding newbies of the rules...the mods need to be more active in enforcing them. then, reminders wont be needed.
we do what we do to help the mods out (and have been thanked by mods)...but if you dont need it anymore...

 

There should be a rule about making stupid/lazy threads too.

 

Making it easy for noobs to do NO research is a real good way to make this place run smooth

 

there is...but it appears we can longer remind people of said rule.

 

I propose coming up with an all-purpose canned response for newbies who don't follow the rules.

This response will include:
1) instructions on how to effectively search,
2) what to do when a link doesn't work,
3) polite statements of some of the major rules of the forum, and
4) links to popular stickys

You might say to yourself, "but all of this info is prominently displayed already!" True. But obviously many visitors choose not to read any rules or FAQs. Instead of simply telling them to search, or informing them of what rule they are breaking, wouldn't it be more beneficial to inform them (and everyone else) of the information listed above?

After the initial drafting of the response, it would take about 10 seconds to copy and paste it into a thread, and maybe bold the section you would like to draw attention to.

Thoughts?

 

So the org is going to start catering to stupid people? Way to take a proactive approach to idiots.

 

Rule 18 is stupid, opps I hope I don't get banned for saying that

 

wow......

if only the mods would enfoce the rule about making threads....then this would have never been a problem for the vets....

 

Rule is a rule.

 

Seems like you are trying to instigate something here with the vets....

 

can we respond?

or wait 2 weeks for a mod to notice

 

Great idea, thanks Irish!

 

I won't argue for, or against this rule, but I just wanted to say one thing: some of you guys who try "helping the mods" have become so famous that you can hear people discussing your posts even on local meets.

True story.

I personally know some local maxima owners who will not go to this forum just because they would rather not risk being flamed.

Again, it's debatable if it's right or wrong, just stating the facts...

 

You guys report bad posts, how long does it take for us to notice then?

 

you feel protected now? like you can go on not following rules?

 

for those who say i flame...i have the 2nd most replies to questions in the newbies thread. i answer there...because thats the correct place to ask newbie questions.

 

+1 on it being VERY vague...

Catering to the lazy/dumb/cheap on this forum is backwards thinking IMO.

I am not going to start Mod bashing because I am sure it must be hard keeping up with all the in this forum, but I don't think this is the correct approach.

 

I follow the rules at least as well as you. And I don't need anyone to 'protect' me

 

How is it that I knew exactly who would be *****ing in this thread?

 

I don't see anywhere in that rule that you can't kick a n00b in the ***** for being stupid. Just do it in a proper manner. flaming gets everybody nowhere. telling a n00b to search before posting again is not flaming..
note the fine line between telling them off and telling them to search?

 

i'm starting to feel this way, and not cuz i don't wanna risk getting flamed...

 

So what are there more posts of; noobs asking redundant questions? Or "vets" constantly telling people to use the search (which is a joke like any other search engine)

 

We're "*****ing" because we don't want to let people like you turn this forum into another 4th gen forum with STUPID repeat questions.

 

I don't have much first hand experience in the 4th gen forums, but it's the "5th gen forum vets" that people seem to complain about outside of the .org

 

Okay, time to quell this controversy.

While I understand Josh's view, I think it is a double edged sword and a little too broad. What we are asking is simple. The Vets need to tone it down a couple of notches for the newbs so they don't get freaking butthurt.

However, I am like the vets in that many of the newbs need to exert some energy. Do you realize how many times topics like HID conversions are beat to death here? Suspension Mods? Cattman Headers? Hot Shot Headers? Do you even make any effort to PM other members with questions?
This is why we have writeups and newb threads so that there are central places for newb questions. Plus, it is easier for a newb to hit those threads to find the answers to some of their simpler queries.

Problem is that newbs either get too damned impatient or are too damn lazy to either search or to find what they are looking for. End result? Loads of repeat questions that are either left hanging What needs to happen is a "happy medium" so that the newbs don't get butthurt and the vets don't want to string the newbs up by the *****.

 

The rule actually reads:

description isn't exactly consistent with the actual rule...

 

One take i know is that some searchs bring you to dead threads and wrong sections i now for a fact. But thats something thats no ones fault it just happens.

 

Just wanted to pitch this idea as a possible solution. In order to use these forums, all members must a fee. That way the everyone will be able to use the search function and funding can be use for maintenance and upgrade of the boards. Not having the ability to search and knowing how to use a search function is the underlying problem. Again this is just a proposal. Pros and Cons are welcome to this idea.

 

its funny how everyone has a word about the rule. You guys talk more about idiot noob situations then answer any new threads professionally. If you're going to reply to a noob with; "you should of done a search" or anything using the word search how about dont reply at all because its not worth it.(I would think it would be easier to cut and paste a link then to reply and not make friends with whoever started a thread noob or vet) Most of the links are old and dont load anyway. Whats the big deal on giving the lastest discussion on whatever someone is looking for? Isn't that what everyone wants (to find the lastest or newest way to do whatever the thread is talking about)

 

To all the people who are upset by this new rule:

Irish isn't asking the veterans to lead any newbies by the ***** or cater to stupid and/or lazy people. He's simply asking for a little civility, which I think we can all agree has NOT been shown by certain people lately. I think it's a resonable request for people to say, for example: "Search for 'cattman headers.' They've been discussed many times." instead of "Why are you so lazy that you can't search? This topic has been beat to death. Typical of a "

Do you see the difference? One is giving useful info and the other is insulting and demeaning.

 

there is nothing wrong with suggesting that a noob do a search, or directing them to the noob question thread. The problem lies when veterans say "you stupid idiot, this question has been discussed to death. Go do a search you lazy *****." Then the noob gets insulted/offended and a whole flame war starts.

Here is a canned response for you:

"This question is frequently asked. You can find the answer by either checking the stickies or by asking it in the noob thread."

This
1. give the noob the information on where to find it or ask it and
2. you don't start a flame war unless noob is ULTRA sensitive

as opposed to all the basic threads that could be answered in one sentence and then would fade away, but instead you guys start wars with noobs to get them banned. Yeah, that's smooth.

At least someone realizes that you can inform without being an *******.

You're free to state your opinion of the rule. I'm free to ban you if you violate it.

the rules are enforced at our discretion. If you don't want to read another thread about some common subject, then don't read it. Wow, that was easy!

I have quite a bit of experience in my PM box from people stating the same problem. Hence why this rule came to being.

it is relatively vague to allow leeway depending on the situation. If you act civil and are not a ****, you won't have any problem with the rule, I guarantee it.

nobody is catering to anyone. this doesn't mean that lame threads and basic question posts will be allowed. It just means that the MODERATORS will deal with the violations, since that is what we are here for. Use the "report post" button and a mod will take care of it. Don't start a flame war.

You are entitled to your opinions. And thank you for not mod-bashing, since that rule is quite specific and i don't want to ban you....



there are plenty of people this is addressed to, and not all of them are "regulars" or "veterans."

words from the oracle.

see, there you go trying to start a flame war in this very thread. If you don't have anything civil to say, keep your fingers off the keyboard.

pick your poison...

hence why the rule is vague. It allows the moderators to interpret things how we see fit, but it also serves notice that the "mean" attacking posts will not be tolerated.

what part is "inconsitent" exactly?

There are always forum changes being discussed by those who make the changes (admins). We'll keep you informed of anything that happens.

 

Example A:

 

but... They are the ones that start running their mouths because we told them that this isn't the correct section for their question.

ALSO if this "issue" is because of us why do YOU ban THEM?


Fair enough... kinda

I'll try my best, no promises though.

 

I think SOME members like flaming NEWBS. Thats part of being a member though. Please don't take that away. A little flaming never hurt nobody.....But there are limits to flaming...

I agree that we need to lead members in the correct direction. Sometimes members just cant find the information and we need to assist them.....

 

It was just said. There are members here that will not come back to this site because of the ignorant **** that goes on here. ie; flamming, calling a person with 4 post stupid because he/she don't know exactly where to go to find answers. It was only a matter of time before this came to be... too bad we had to lose xxx amount of members before it did.

Some of you are saying so what if the new guys don't come back. However, those new guys are what is helping to keep these boards alive. Stop ****ting on them.

 

it appears Irish44j has spoken

carry on now

 

i have developed canned responses that will be used in the near future

 

True... but you see SOME members just dont know when to stop the flaming that started out harmless. Thus enforcing such new rule might be a great thing indeed.

 

exactly. i've seen newer members give a lot of great advice, help, and insight about certan problems, and then a few of the og's here come out of the woodwork saying, "you're a n00b, on what basis do you think your input has any validity?" there are quite a few older members on this board who have to stop thinking they are the be-all, end-all, know-it-all about the maxima.