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Old 11-03-2000, 10:31 AM
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As you all know I'm probably the most vocal critic of Nissan regarding the chirping noises that my electronic engine mounts make when they are activated.

I am bringing this issue up as apparently nobody else on this board has the same issue as I do regarding the noisy engine mounts.

Here is a quick test to see if your mounts make noise...start the car and let it run for a 4-5 minutes approx...feather the gas ever so lightly...if you have this condition you will hear a chirp or squeak at the very beginning of the rev and another one at the very end of the rpms settling down... Sounds like a high pitched "breathe in...rpms settle back down...breathe out"

When I was at the dealer the other day they had a 2001 SE lined up next to mine and sure enough, it made the same noise albeit fainter than the screech my new mounts make(I can hear it inside the car now, something I could not do before) The 2 Nissan factory reps basically showed me how this one did it too and pretty much in not so many words called me a bozo for thinking that there is a problem with my car...actually I was pretty overwhelmed by them and felt a bit intimidated also as I felt I could not even argue with them at all on a mechanical level(does that make sense)

Oh btw....according to Nissan, if your engine mounts DO NOT MAKE THIS CHIRPING NOISE than your car does have a problem as the engine mounts are not working properly. These are not my words...those are the words direct from the mouth of a Master Field Technician that travels the East Coast that Nissan sent to examine my car.

I called yesterday to ask the SM to put my old mounts back into the car as while they chirped, they did not make as much noise...he said he would have to see as my old mounts are destined for testing in CA.....(My "normal" mounts need to be tested

I'm doing a slow boil here and I admit most of it is my fault...I let the 2 Nissan guys bully and convice me into agreeing that the other car made close to the same noise, hence everything is fine. Perhaps that car has a problem also?

1st of all.....can anyone on this board confirm that their Max makes these same noises? Since I havent heard anyone else mention this, Id like to assume no but I guess everyones tolerance level of odd noises is different....my plan is to go to the dealer and for ME to pick out any Max on the lot and try to duplicate the noise...I have a feeling I may have been setup for that other test. They might have gone thru all the Maxs on their lot until they found a chirpy one. If the one I choose does it, I'll ask to try another...if that one does it, shame on me for wasting their time.

This isnt any ordinary noise guys...coasting in stop and go traffic the thing sounds like a cricket...if that is Nissans idea of "normal" that I have severly underestimated their competence level as far as a Flagship sedan. And remember, if your car mounts are silent, you've got problems......heh....right...

Lastly I'd like to thank all of you who have put up with my rants and raves for the past couple of months regarding this matter...I'm not posting here to garner sympathy or anything like that...I really like my car...they have fixed the vibe in my steering wheel making the car so much more enjoyable to drive.....was smooth as a top at 105 last night on Rt 128 which isnt a smart thing to do in Massachusetts.....i just don't believe that this engine mount sound is normal.....since 3 sets of mounts have gone into the car and they all chirp with varying degrees of volume, the problem may lie in the travel path that the mount actually moves...as a last resort, If I find a Max that has silent mounts, I'd go so far as to ask them to install those mounts in my car......I actually think the SM mention that he has gone as far as saying that he has in the past taken parts off of cars in the lot to satisfy current customers...ah.......I'm starting to babble........the Nissan rep in CA did leave a message if I was satisfied with what has transpired...I left him a message to the contrary and explained what I plan on doing...

Sorry if it ticks anyone off...just looking for some input

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Old 11-03-2000, 10:41 AM
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Hey this only applies to Auto Max right?

5-speed doesn't have automatic engine mounts right?

I don't hear the chirping sounds on my Max, but it is 5-speed again.

Good luck.

I see you looking around at new cars now. VWs.., etc.

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I haven't noticed this on my car. I'll check more closely this afternoon.
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Yeah I like Rt.128, especially after the split to 95 South. -->

I took my previous 95 SE 5-speed to 135mph. It was all in good fun. I was racing my friend's Acura 3.0CL. It was all fun, until my friend braked like crazy next to me. So did I of course. My friend has a Valentine One radar in his car.

But non the less I almost ****ted in my pants of idea that the cop saw us.

Good Luck again with your Maxima. Nissan needs to give you a new one for the time you have spent with them.


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Old 11-03-2000, 10:57 AM
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I think Dany is right, b/c I thought i didn't have elecronic mounts for some reason, just couldn't remember why. i though it was the GLE only that had them but maybe all the auto's do. Either way I don't hear any chirping, but I don't think I have electronic mounts.

hope it works out okay for you.
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Yeah, all the autos have them for 2000+.
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I have an Auto GXE and dont think Ive ever heard anything from my engine except Vroooooooom. No birds under my hood. Only horses. However I will listen closer tonight. Good luck though jnm2kse
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Old 11-03-2000, 01:07 PM
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hey, got a laptop?

make a wav file for us.
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Old 11-03-2000, 03:50 PM
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Yeah dany...I be a looking :)

Hell I always look at new cars..I love em too much not to look. What Ireally want is a chirpy free Max

Tim...that is not a bad idea....seriously...I have my Air Force Reserves this weekend but I will look into that Monday morning..I work as the NT systems admin for my company so ya...I can dig a laptop up I think.... :wink:

No callback for the dealership as the SM never returned from his morning appointment somewhere else..I hope I didn't drive him over the edge and he said its not worth going on

Of course I never heard back from the Nissan guy in CA either....no big suprise there....

Tim thanks for the excellent idea.....I'm sure I should be able to capture the chirp...

This is sad but true but having to bring the car in for service seems like a normal occurence for me......I don't think I brought my Celica in for anything except oil changes until like 60,000 to do the timing belt....
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I just checked mine. I did not notice anything out of the ordinary. I noticed a "whirring" noise, but I think that is normal.
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checked mine (I think)

no chirp. damn things prolly arent working. anywho, would like to hear the wav file when you can make one. Maybe I've just tuned that noise out or something (like I have to do with the rattles)
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FYI guys...

to anyone testing their mounts, the car has to be semi warm to do the test....thats why I needed to keep going back. They would replace the mounts, start the car and say "Great, no chirp" only to have it start a few minutes after the car has been running.

Does seem strange...will only chirp if car has been running for a few.....because I did not get a calback from the dealer or the Marcel Newton(Nissan guy in CA)I have all weekend to stew about this.....

Should I keep pressing these guys? They found a car on the lot to duplicate the chirp....my thought is that car is probably messed up also.....

If I find a few Maxs on the lot that dont chirp, do have a leg to stand on or is Nissans final word as the chirp as a normal thing the bottom line?

Man...this car can really fly...I love the ride with the radio on... as the rattles are back in full force...

Ah...man... I hate being this way.....I've been pretty polite to the dealer as the SM is a good guy but sort of stood in the background when the Nissan Boys came in and pretty much made me feel like a clown...(my fault)

Wondering if I find a Max that is free of this noise if I should basically tell them that I don't care if it is normal...it bugs the crap out of me and if it is so normal, why didnt you say that before replacing 3 sets of mounts and ECM's?? And why is this cars mounts silent and mine a freakin cricket machine....

Ok Paxil time

Ack!
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Have you tried going to a totally differnet Nissan dealership? I see different levels of patience, willingness to listen, and competence at each dealership I go to.
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personally I think they need to fix the other

one on the lot too. its obviously not spec, or they would NOT HAVE GIVEN YOU 3 MOUNTS AND A NEW ECM!!! As cheap as they are.. and you know what the ECM costs, come on.. theres something up. just because one other does it proves nothing.

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Mdeal...

That thought did cross my mind but since the Nissan Field Specialist declared the car normal with no problems, I'm not sure how much luck I would have at another dealer. Believe me, the SM has been more than accomodating, in fact whenever I try to say I'm sorry for getting him involved in Nissans mistake he promptly shuts me down with "Thats why Im here".

I bet you dollars to donuts that you could take any set of mounts that have been in my car and put them in your Max and they would be silent. Tim has an idea on perhaps that something else in car is out of spec and the noise is being made as a RESULT of the engine mounts moving, not the mounts themselves.

It does seem awfully odd that when the car is cold, the noise is not there. It is only after a few minutes that the chirp starts.....I swore today that I heard it chirp on its own....sort of like something gets activated once the car reaches a certain temp. I had reserves today and during one of the breaks I had the hood up doing some testing...I was playing around with the throttle cable trying to get the chirp going. Of course the first few minutes the car sounds the bomb Then I swear I hear a faint chirp without touching anything...hit the throttle cable and sure enough..."Chirp, chirp"

You would hear this noise if you had it,......it is not some vauge maybe it happens, maybe it doesnt...you'd know

Damn it..I'm sorry guys, I sound like a broken record....

Thanks for putting up with me

Really guys...I like this car, just hate the run around Nissan is giving me.

A foolproof test if Nissan would agree to go along with it is for me to find a Max on the lot which has silent mounts...you know the kind...like all of yours ...lol

If they would put those mounts in my car I guess we could determine if it is the mounts or not end of story.....

Am I the only one that thinks that is a dream...?

heh..thanks guys, youve been great....

Dany if I make it next week to Natick you'll see what I mean..belive me
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well.. on all that b!tchin'

to qoute Nissan, "thats what we're here for"

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btw, do you know exactly were the sound

is coming from? They have an instrument for that.
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I have a suggestion for you to try. Look into this website and read some information about it... http://www.lemonlawfirm.com/default.htm

This site gives some good information regarding legal actions if you decide to go that route. They are based in NY, but the information given should be able to be used in other states as well.

BTW, I'm also a network admin.... seems like a lot of us Maxima owners are....

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Tim-

I have no idea where the sound is coming from...I can see the front mount...sound does not appear to be coming from there...it is coming what sounds like under the engine....if you stick your head underneath the car it is a loud screech actually Seems that way at least But Daddy Nissan also said it IS the mounts...

But hey ......Remember...Nissan said the sound is normal and if you don't have this sound, your car is all messed up....can you believe that ****? They came to that well thought out answer after 3 ECMs and 3 sets of mounts..cant solve the problem so it MUST be normal.

Jeez I guess I can as I'm the a$$ who bought that line of crap on Wednesday....Nissan guys if you are listening...ever think that perhaps that 2001 SE is messed up also? Naw....couldnt be....its supposed to make that noise


Dave thanks....Lots of good info there yeah..heh maybe IT tecchy people got stuck with all the bad max's heh...think Dany is a Software Engineer according to his profile


I think if I keep b!tchin enough some dude with a Samuri sword is going to show up at my door to silence me
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ummm,

I'm a Cold Fusion/ASP Developer, so I have to roll my sleeves up and NT Admin too. Hey, maybe only netadmins with max's complain

well, my car's idle loaps and sends vibrations through the car (even passengers notice it). thats with or without lights, with or without A/C. Also, while not all of them were like this, they found an 2k SE on the lot that did the same thing. They let me drive it for a day and it felt the same. heh, maybe the mounts arent working on that loaner either. gawd, thats kinda funny... yet sad.

I still would like to hear a wav.

They have a listening device to find this stuff. I know some techs have some homemade ways of finding sounds too. I bet a post over at the general sectiona bout finding a sound would yield some suggestions. From what you say, I doubt its the mounts themselves. I think when the mounts activate, it moves the engine and scraps something.
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oooops...

Sorry Tim...didnt mean to leave you out of the Techy loop

I've actually been conversing with BigK over on the Edmunds board and he has been an unbelieveable resource....here is the latest....

He has been advising me on some tests to do to isolate the noise..in one of the tests he told me where the engine mounts are located...one right at the front of the car and one that id probably right near or under the air intake...makes sense as when I have had my car in to be worked on, I got it back one day with the air intake not attached to the filterbox and the screws loose on the intake...I was wondering wtf they had to do...now I know..they need to take the intake off to get at the rear mount....

Funny thing is that the chirp does not come from either one of those locations...it comes from(I think) the right side down low towards the back of the compartment....

what he is thinking is making the noise is a part called the idle control valve...(yes the infamous part)...makes sense to me...

Engine is cold and idles high..after a few minutes the engine warms up to a point and the idle drops a few rpms...this is where I swear I hear a chirp on its own....feather the gas with engine warm(er) and I get the chirp.

Nissan Specialist was also able to chirp the engine by yanking my E brake thru the ceiling and shift quickly inbetween gears(I wanted to freak on him like WTF are you doing to my car!!!) What happens between D and N?? The idle speed changes...hmmmm......

Not sure that this is the culprit but does sound like a right direction to go in....however Nissan dealer did dismiss the IDV before...guess I'll need to reiterate it to them....

as the Nissan world turns.....lol

I will work on that wav once the weather clears...expecting rain and 40's next few days.....yuck
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hey, is this grapeshad?

If not, I have a friend in Massachusetts with the same problem as you.

If it is, didn't you get this fixed already? It sounds like you have joined my Nissan Sucks Club. Get rid of the car a.s.a.p. I made the mistake of keeping my Nissan lemon. Everyday I drive it, my blood boils. You should have stuck with Celicas
 
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Jimbo!

Hey man...how the heck are you?? Long time no see!

Yep..it is I

You are right...heh...my Celica was the nutz till I tried that u turn on Rt 28....ooopsss..crunch

Believe it or not, aside from this noise and the rattles, I like the car Hey we have to hook ups so you can vouch for me to the other guys here that I'm not crazy..(at least that crazy )


I screwed up on my lefts and rights above guys...if looking at the engine bay from the front, the chirp is from the left side opposite the mounts on the right...its late and maybe Im a little addled

Hey Jimbo...you should stop by the range on wednesday nights for the pin and plate shoot....really beats punching out paper...lots of fun....not sure how much longer it will go on though due to the weather.

Good to hear from ya
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I'm afraid no one would listen to me if I tried to vouch for you. If anyone use to lurk on the old forums, they will remember me as the crazy one who was always complaining. They couldn't beleive that there was someone that wasn't happy with the beloved Maxima. At least you like the car, rattles and squeaks aside. I wish I could say the same thing . . .

Have you found a decent dealer yet? I think part of my problem with Nissan is the lack of quality dealerships in our area.

I haven't been to DF&G lately. Since moving to B-town, being busy with school and work, I haven't found the time to have some un-PC fun. I was hoping to go today, but the weather is pretty lousy.

Well, I wish you the best of luck with getting Nissan to fix your problems.

Take care, bud.
 
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You moved into Boston?

Where are you going to school?

I havent really been to the range that much either...just the Pins and Plates.

I've been dealing with Kelly Nissan in Beverly...they have been pretty good to me although I think they may be getting a little tired of me bringing up all the issues with the car...hey tough beans..its their job Actually the SM Ron Jinard has been great...anytime I try to apologize fro being so picky he tells me that I should be picky and it is his job to have me satisfied with the car....too bad those words have not come to fruition

Oh well the battle continues tomorrow.....been looking at VW GTI's.....damn....seems like a really nice car although thats what I thought about the Max...lol Need to get back to a standard though....man I wish I was rich.... heh
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jnm2kse...

You describe this noise as a cricket chirping noise, and on my 2K 5 Speed, I hear a noise that I would describe as a cricket chirping noise when I drive too. I thought at first it was coming from inside the car, like a cricket or something was in the engine compartment, or somehow wrapped up in my car cover in the trunk. Then I thought it was just crickets outside the car, until I was driving across a bridge and still heard it (shouldn't be too many crickets on a bridge now, right?!)! I wonder if this noise is related to what you describe? Very Interesting!
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Hmmmm

I only get this noise at the begiining of acceleration and at the end of it, I detailed above on how I get the sound buy feathering the gas...I also can hear it in stop and go traffic....do you hear a constant chirp? I know the 5spd does not have the electronic engine mounts so I'm not sure if out problems are related. Inn fact I'm not even sure if it is the mounts themselves or something as a result of the mounts that is causing the noise.

Talked to the SM today and told him that I don't accept Nissans answer of "car is normal". He said right now he has his hands tied and is the middle man right now. I called Nissan CA today and left another message with Marcel Newton on how I don't consider this matter closed....we'll see if he calls back. The SM said he will call him also....he is at a loss on what is causing this noise so he is deferring everything to Nissan now...he did say it was fine for me to come by and test some other Max's to see if they "chirp"

Tim- I am going to try to make a wav file today at lunch.
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TimW please check your email

I sent you a wav file recording of my engine mount chirp noise.


If anyone else wants to hear what I am talking about, please drop me a line at jnm64@mediaone.net

Remember, if your automatic 2K Maxima is not making this noise, something is wrong with your car...heh Nissans words not mine

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Re: TimW please check your email

Originally posted by jnm2kse
I sent you a wav file recording of my engine mount chirp noise.


If anyone else wants to hear what I am talking about, please drop me a line at jnm64@mediaone.net

Remember, if your automatic 2K Maxima is not making this noise, something is wrong with your car...heh Nissans words not mine

[Edited by jnm2kse on 11-06-2000 at 12:53 PM]
I finally had to go out to my car to see what the culprit to your noise is.

I think I might have the answer that you are looking for. It is either your belt or the exhaust that is making this noise.

1st: Get some silicone lubricant or similiar and spray it on the belt.

If that doesnt work...see if the noise os coming from the exhaust connection. The engine moves considerably ...and it might be making a strange noise at the connection when it moves.
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