Must mean they don't make them.

Toyota is a good start.

Now, i may be going out on a limb here, but, wouldn't it be stupid to offer the CAMRY Solara with a 5spd with the v6 and NOT offer it with the CAMRY model line?

I believe the trim XLE? v6 isn't offered with a 5spd.


I have a problem with what Russ is stating about the other car's stats.

He claims it ran 14.90 stock. Stock camry's have 192bhp.

Russ has ran a 15.10 with his mighty air filtered Maxima. Stock, 222bhp...modified maybe 225-227bhp.

These cars weigh identical, with maybe a 50lb difference.

He says his buddy's SCed Camry now has 220fwhp and 218?ft-lbs of torque. How in god's name is this guy running SLOWER than stock times?

My concern is what's being said about this Camry. I'm not doubting the kill, i'm doubting the stage of this camry. Vacuum leak? Too cold of a spark plug? Running lean? etc. Even with the Camry getting peak torque at the HP/Torque cross-over rpm (5252, if i remember correctly), there shouldn't be that big of a lead. I say the Camry driver is a horrible driver or is having engine problems.

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Must mean they don't make them.


Toyota is a good start.

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Why do you have to be such a boner about this? I have been searching for this type of camry for a long time, and it was only available on the CE in 1998. However, the CE has like no options on it and would basically be a custom order to get one with some real options. Also the stick was not even available on the Camry until the 97 Model year and has been again removed for the 2002 year. I have never seeen one on the dealer lost. So why do you have to get all sarcastic when someone asks a honest question?

Hahaha, anyone see the irony here? Russ claims to have smoked a car that's running a second faster than he is, yet Chris is the one who "doesn't know about cars" and is "talking non-sense."

Yeah, Russ did beat me all three times from a stop. And yes, I did run a 14.9 @ 92 100% stock (with a 2.2 60'). So why could I not get him off the line?

-No traction in first. Russ, that last run I had it around half throttle through most of first - probably why you thought I didn't have any traction problems. I also spun second for one or two seconds after each shift.

-My ACT clutch blows. For the longest time I've had trouble quick shifting ANY gears. Just about a week and a half ago I tried something new, and was able to quickshift 2-3 and 3-4 again. 1-2 sometimes goes, but most of the time I grind it in, or just grind. I know you heard that a few times. :) I rarely missed gears when I was using the OEM clutch. BTW - I didn't have any other clutches to choose from when I replaced my badly slipping OEM one.

-I haven't been to a track since last October, and haven't had many stoplight runs since (I'm a sleeper, remember? :))

But a race is a race, and you did a great job off the line. But I did get ya on the highway ;)

Please don't take this as whining...I just felt that I was held back from driving my best. You and I both know that I can drive better than that (did Andi tell you how I passed a BPU Supra at the Blimp Base road course?), but I hate being inhibited by my damn clutch.

And to clarify some info in other posts:
-I don't have a lightened flywheel (bolt pattern didn't match up).

-You can get a 5-speed V6 Camry ever since the 4th gen came out (97)...just very hard to come by. I had to wait about 4 months for mine (built to my exact specs). However, the new gen (02+) doesn't have an option of a 5-speed with the V6 (hopefully they'll change that).

-I dynoed around 176 hp to the wheels 100% stock. My SC figure of 220 hp (4 psi, stock for the SC) is a little lower than par, due to my plugs being gapped much lower (in anticipation of increasing boost :D), and the EBC kicking in (cutting boost to zero) at 6100rpm (150 short of redline) - only seems to happen on the dyno, though. I'm also running with a very conservative fuel map.

-My car weighed in at 3060 (with spare taken out) at Ennis when I was stock. The SC and my current suspension should make it a bit heavier, but not by much (probably around 3100 with spare, I'm guessing)

We'll definitely have to run again after I get my clutch fully sorted out. Wider tires would help - I maxed these 215's out when I was NA. :)

-Tiem

My clutch was acting fine when I pulled out of my apt complex. But then again it didn't involve back-to-back runs, where things can get heated up. I'm running your basic DOT3 fluid...thinking that some high temp stuff might work better, because each run seemed to get worse than the previous.

If you think I'm making excuses - you drive my car. I bet within a few minutes, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

I'm listing reasons, not excuses. The only reason why I accepted your challenge was that I thought my clutch would be up to the task. It was, for the most part, on the highway (even though I grinded 3-4), but not so from a stop. BTW - I've had this clutch problem for a long time (ask Kean, my fellow Camry/Solara drivers, etc if you don't believe me) and I've tried many approaches to try to cure the problem. This is the closest I've come to having it feel like the OEM pedal.

Again, I'll say that a race is a race, and I did lose from a stop. But since everyone's wondering why an NA Max beat out an SC Cam, I'm listing my reasons.

-Tiem

Wow...i didn't think they were that light (in comparison to the 3200lbs of the Maxima).

Least you set a lot of things straight... I just find a lot of Russ's kills are getting almost far-fetched in some cases. Of course, some are quite legit. Get that clutch fixed and run a CM clutch or a RPS clutch.

Sorry if I seem like a jerk off. My appologies. Your original post made it seem like you doubted the Camry V6 ever being equipped with a 5spd...and you own a Camry! I figure a Camry-owner/modder would know what other trim-lines came with, in terms of drivetrains and engines.

1 sec faster? He has yet to beat his stock 14.9 time he ran. He tried before, and blamed it on the clutch, go figure.

I am all up for more runs! I have trouble with my 2nd gear on my car, I grind it alot when I race. I have to really make sure the pedal is depressed all the way or it will grind. Did it once when running you, I think the 2nd run it was. I spun like mad the 1st and 2nd runs, 3rd I didn't lanch as hard and let the car bog hoping to let you get a chance, but as soon as I hit my powerband again, I just left you. Dunno, get the car running right, we can do it again. It's all in good fun, I just liked it that I beat a SC camry

Glad you came here to give your side of things Tiem. I am not mad or anything, just having fun! I was surprised as well that I beat you. Carlos was my view on how far you went back. Next time lets get this on video!

Far fetched for you maybe. But I never lie about any runs I have had. I don't make stuff up like other people. I am just a very good driver when it comes to racing on the street or at the road course...the drag strip is a different story.

Regardsless of all the stats, times, weight, HP, torque, driver, driving skills, weather, etc... In the end, a win is a win. Way to go!!!

Seems like good runs and a win is a win no matter what like u say. All in all i think Tiem should've pulled off the line though, thats where we shine. I pulled 2.0 60' times on the tires i bought my car with. The fastest 5th gen 1/4 mile isnt that far off my best although you guys definetly have the horsepower advantage when comparing 5th gen max to 4th gen camry. Tiem is having problems with his clutch but as he said its not an excuse, just that its not running to full potential. He's had the same problem for a while now.

I have basically the same car as Tiem except mine weighed 100 lbs. more in stock form (3,175). You can see what i ran with just an intake, suspension, CF hood and a short shifter below. Even then my MPH was low since i rode redline through the traps.

I agree...given a good driver and a car running 100%, most cars with a SC will launch out pretty hard. This run was all for fun anyway, so it's all good. On a track, it'd be as clear as day ... WIN!

Keep in mind that is also the base-of-the-line CE. No option for sunroof, leather, etc. All I have is power windows/mirros/locks/AC. So yeah, it's pretty light.

The only other aftermarket clutch manufacturer that I know of that makes a clutch for our cars is CM. I know some people are running it, but haven't put that many miles on them. So I'll wait and see how that turns out. 'course if I can get the ACT to work correctly, I'll stick with that.

-Tiem

I did beat it, but not by much. Not sure if I told you or not Saturday. Anyways, I ran a 14.6 @ 96-7 (can't remember) with the slipping OEM clutch.

-Tiem

I'm not saying you're mad or anything, just decided to come and share my side of things. Like I said, we both know that mechanical problems are holding me back.

Next time hopefully I'll have wider tires for more grip.

-Tiem

Could you get an aftermarket LSD for the Camry? Does TRD make one? That may help a little too.

By then I should have Pssst....pssttt.... jk

I have the TRD LSD installed. My tranny is essentially the same as a 90-95 turbo MR2. It really shines in the turns, however; nonetheless, it helps some in the straights.

If I can't hook up in first (and part of second) even with an LSD, I wonder how bad it'd be without one...

-Tiem

If you do, I'll spring for a smaller pulley.

-Tiem

Russ, you don't live that far from vegas... take a vacation and come out December 1st and 2nd. www.nasalv.com

I've been through clutch problems myself, so I can tell you how bad it gets. Anyone who(and smelled) my car when I went to River City has seen what power does to a clutch. Tiem may not be pushing out the HP I am, but with the roots blower he definitely has some torque.

The roots blower works very different from a centrifugal. The roots blower usually makes 2+ psi off idle and hits peak boost very early, 3000 rpms. It then maintains the same boost level. The downside is that roots blowers have the least efficient compressors. As a result, the high intake temperatures keep the boost levels low. Tiem is only putting out 4-4.5 psi. The low end torque anly makes the problems worse.

I know he was very disappointed in the first dyno, but Toyota still gives you a warranty. There are smaller pulleys coming out, so there is more potential there. But before that, an ACT clutch will fix his current problems...and I have the videos to problem they fixed mine.