Cattman 3" Catback Exhaust - Order Here!
Just a reminder that tubing (used in intakes, exhaust etc.) is always measured OD and pipe (plumbing) is always measured ID. The only automotive part that I've seen pipe used for is a plenum-style turbo manifold.
In other words, 2.0", 2.5", 3.0", etc. ID tubing doesn't exist.
In other words, 2.0", 2.5", 3.0", etc. ID tubing doesn't exist.
I'll need to pin this down a little bit better, now sure which intake we're discussing. If you're referring to any of the old Place Racing CAI designs, they no longer exist, and keep in mind that most of the CP website is not current.
The only intake I currently recommend for 4th and 5th gen Max's is the JWT POP-Charger, which doesn't involve any tubing sections at all.
Brian
The only intake I currently recommend for 4th and 5th gen Max's is the JWT POP-Charger, which doesn't involve any tubing sections at all.
Brian
lol congrats. i have the injen, will be doing the work that deckedout did to drop it in the wheel well. along with that ive been powdercoating everything matte black. The intake is already black so it would save me the hassle (The one on cattmans site 
) as well he has it listed with the JWT with the beautiful non turbulent neck. lol alright velocity stack.
but that intake would keep my pcoating cost down...im looking to go with a 3inch maf shortly and theirs is listed as the perfect diameter for what i was looking at lol.
) as well he has it listed with the JWT with the beautiful non turbulent neck. lol alright velocity stack. but that intake would keep my pcoating cost down...im looking to go with a 3inch maf shortly and theirs is listed as the perfect diameter for what i was looking at lol.
You can make your own Intake man.....
1. AEM 6" filter
2. Vibrant or BPI Velocity stack
3. MAF adapter
4. 3 (ea) 3"x3" Silicon/rubber couplings
5. About $100-120
I used to have a Injen but found that it's 39" lenght was to long too make good power up top! The SRI ingests air easier and faster! But it's your car....and your "FREEDOM oF CHOICE".
Last edited by CMax03; May 14, 2010 at 05:57 PM.
That's better than any short ram intake that doesn't include a velocity stack of some kind, but this system is not a substitute for the unit JWT designed. Please don't take this as an attack - it absolutely isn't - but I want to point out a few differences that might not be immediately apparent.
Ideally, the profile of the inside hole is designed specifically for the motor, but the Vibrant is one-size-fits-all. Other issue with the Vibrant is the rounded outside edge, which impedes airflow - that shoulder should be square.
I'd also point out that inside of the tube that connects the velocity stack to the plastic MAF adapter (we sell a billet aluminum version), the end of the stack and the end of the adapter need to meet exactly edge to edge with no space in between or difference in diameter, but I doubt that is possible. If there's any seperation between them, there's a change in diameter and two steps, which will generate significant turbulance immediately before the air hits the hot wire, and eliminating turbulance is the whole point.
That combination of parts is probably less $ than buying a JWT unit, but it can't be too much less since the JWT POP-Charger (with R2C filter option) is just $135.
Brian
Ideally, the profile of the inside hole is designed specifically for the motor, but the Vibrant is one-size-fits-all. Other issue with the Vibrant is the rounded outside edge, which impedes airflow - that shoulder should be square.
I'd also point out that inside of the tube that connects the velocity stack to the plastic MAF adapter (we sell a billet aluminum version), the end of the stack and the end of the adapter need to meet exactly edge to edge with no space in between or difference in diameter, but I doubt that is possible. If there's any seperation between them, there's a change in diameter and two steps, which will generate significant turbulance immediately before the air hits the hot wire, and eliminating turbulance is the whole point.
That combination of parts is probably less $ than buying a JWT unit, but it can't be too much less since the JWT POP-Charger (with R2C filter option) is just $135.
Brian
Brian set this up with the JWT/R2C and you're back in business with a revised Cattman Combo V2 or the Vibrant/BPI connected to your adapter with the R2C filter.......
http://www.cattman.com/img/prod/dsc_...-rez%20cai.jpg
http://www.cattman.com/img/prod/dsc_...-rez%20cai.jpg
Brian set this up with the JWT/R2C and you're back in business with a revised Cattman Combo V2 or the Vibrant/BPI connected to your adapter with the R2C filter.......
http://www.cattman.com/img/prod/dsc_...-rez%20cai.jpg
http://www.cattman.com/img/prod/dsc_...-rez%20cai.jpg
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That's better than any short ram intake that doesn't include a velocity stack of some kind, but this system is not a substitute for the unit JWT designed. Please don't take this as an attack - it absolutely isn't - but I want to point out a few differences that might not be immediately apparent.
Ideally, the profile of the inside hole is designed specifically for the motor, but the Vibrant is one-size-fits-all. Other issue with the Vibrant is the rounded outside edge, which impedes airflow - that shoulder should be square.
I'd also point out that inside of the tube that connects the velocity stack to the plastic MAF adapter (we sell a billet aluminum version), the end of the stack and the end of the adapter need to meet exactly edge to edge with no space in between or difference in diameter, but I doubt that is possible. If there's any seperation between them, there's a change in diameter and two steps, which will generate significant turbulance immediately before the air hits the hot wire, and eliminating turbulance is the whole point.
That combination of parts is probably less $ than buying a JWT unit, but it can't be too much less since the JWT POP-Charger (with R2C filter option) is just $135.
Brian
Ideally, the profile of the inside hole is designed specifically for the motor, but the Vibrant is one-size-fits-all. Other issue with the Vibrant is the rounded outside edge, which impedes airflow - that shoulder should be square.
I'd also point out that inside of the tube that connects the velocity stack to the plastic MAF adapter (we sell a billet aluminum version), the end of the stack and the end of the adapter need to meet exactly edge to edge with no space in between or difference in diameter, but I doubt that is possible. If there's any seperation between them, there's a change in diameter and two steps, which will generate significant turbulance immediately before the air hits the hot wire, and eliminating turbulance is the whole point.
That combination of parts is probably less $ than buying a JWT unit, but it can't be too much less since the JWT POP-Charger (with R2C filter option) is just $135.
Brian
It took me about 15 minutes with a dremel to perfectly port match the Velocity stack to the maf adapter, and the maf adapter to the maf housing. They were pretty close already, but I'm a perfectionist.
IMO a DIY 6" inlet filter with velocity stack setup done correctly should perform about equally to the R2C/JWT combo.
Also, 3" is 3" is 3". When it's "designed specifically for the motor," are you saying that the JWT has some arcane engineering difference that makes it's 3" inlet different than the other 3" inlet stacks that pertains directly to the VQ35? Are you also saying that JWT does not use the same stack for other engines that can use the 3" inlet and they are designed separately for each and every engine? Regardless, it's endlessly debatable and without any concrete proof either way, we're both just theory crafting and blowing smoke.
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Is that a minimum "optimal" value, or is the implication that a larger filter than needed would somehow cause detriment? If not, couldn't anybody just slap a filter that has at least enough area on and call it an application specific design?
Could someone maybe post a link to the complete JWT popcharger intake? It has a velocity stack built in does it not? I just can't seem to find it on their website... Maybe I'm just blind
Here it is....Bellmouth and filter!
http://www.cattman.com/img/prod/jwt_pop_filter.jpg
http://www.cattman.com/img/prod/jwt_pop_filter.jpg
3" Cattman catback has about 1500 miles on it now and the exhaust soot is settled within and it's quieting as indicated....Car pulls really hard from 1/4 throttle on up....Jumped up to 80 mph on neighborhood street....didn't mean to push it that hard inside neighborhood!
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Prolly more than 2 days, my weekends are busy and the 28th is a Friday. I'm gonna install the y-pipe at the same time too so I gotta set aside a decent amount of time...I see alot of rusted bolts cut off with the torch in my near future. Lol.
Brian C Catts, Cattman Performance
Tucson, Arizona
520.575.6195 for ?s and 800.759.9920 to order
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Tucson, Arizona
520.575.6195 for ?s and 800.759.9920 to order
bcatts@cattman.com
www.cattman.com
I live 2hrs N of ABQ, FTW!
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Just give us a call if interested, I'm eager to order another batch. As we've done with other runs, I'll pull the production trigger as soon as we have 10 backorders in our pockets, then its typically a 25-day wait (unless a y-pipe and two header orders jam up the shop in front of it like this last batch!). We've got 3 or 4 backorders already, so it won't be long will we start the next group of 3" exhausts.
I'll note that increasing steel prices have forced a small price increase, and we'll shift from a flat group deal price to our regular 3-tier exhaust prices:
1. Retail price is $799.99 (but no maxima.org member pays retail)
2. Maxima.org member price is $759.99
3. The backorder discount is our best deal, bringing the price down to $739.99, the same as our prior group deal price. This discount is reserved for the first 10 backorders, orders placed after production begins pay maxima.org price.
We take orders (and questions) by phone at 800.759.9920 (US except AZ/HI/AK), 888.296.5153 (Canada and AZ) or 520.575.6195 (everywhere else), and we're open 9-5 MST/PDT (3 hours earlier than the east coast) Monday-Thursday.
Brian
I'll note that increasing steel prices have forced a small price increase, and we'll shift from a flat group deal price to our regular 3-tier exhaust prices:
1. Retail price is $799.99 (but no maxima.org member pays retail)
2. Maxima.org member price is $759.99
3. The backorder discount is our best deal, bringing the price down to $739.99, the same as our prior group deal price. This discount is reserved for the first 10 backorders, orders placed after production begins pay maxima.org price.
We take orders (and questions) by phone at 800.759.9920 (US except AZ/HI/AK), 888.296.5153 (Canada and AZ) or 520.575.6195 (everywhere else), and we're open 9-5 MST/PDT (3 hours earlier than the east coast) Monday-Thursday.
Brian
It took me about 15 minutes with a dremel to perfectly port match the Velocity stack to the maf adapter, and the maf adapter to the maf housing. They were pretty close already, but I'm a perfectionist.
IMO a DIY 6" inlet filter with velocity stack setup done correctly should perform about equally to the R2C/JWT combo.
Also, 3" is 3" is 3". When it's "designed specifically for the motor," are you saying that the JWT has some arcane engineering difference that makes it's 3" inlet different than the other 3" inlet stacks that pertains directly to the VQ35? Are you also saying that JWT does not use the same stack for other engines that can use the 3" inlet and they are designed separately for each and every engine? Regardless, it's endlessly debatable and without any concrete proof either way, we're both just theory crafting and blowing smoke.
IMO a DIY 6" inlet filter with velocity stack setup done correctly should perform about equally to the R2C/JWT combo.
Also, 3" is 3" is 3". When it's "designed specifically for the motor," are you saying that the JWT has some arcane engineering difference that makes it's 3" inlet different than the other 3" inlet stacks that pertains directly to the VQ35? Are you also saying that JWT does not use the same stack for other engines that can use the 3" inlet and they are designed separately for each and every engine? Regardless, it's endlessly debatable and without any concrete proof either way, we're both just theory crafting and blowing smoke.
And I'll again point out that the "rounded outside shoulders" of the Vibrant unit are a clear design flaw - the outer edge of the stack (that slides into the filter) should be square (or, ideally, curve upwards) where it meets the inside of the filter rim rather than turning downwards to form a circular dead space and possible source of flow-inhibiting turbulance.
All of this said, its useful to keep in mind that the discussion is somewhat academic since even if one intake outperforms another by 25%, that's less than a 2whp difference, falling within the margin of error for most dyno machines.
To me, the bottom line with intakes comes down to does it perform, does it protect the engine, and is it reasonably priced? Most of us would agree with those features, plus some care more than I do about how it looks under the hood.
When it comes to performance, there's a group of intakes that make power (5-8whp) and there is a small group of intakes that don't work at all, even losing power relative to the stock intake (no, I won't name names). The design flaws of the intakes that don't make power are obvious, a friggin chimp could have done better.
When it comes to engine protection, all I'll say is that nothing comes close to the airflow and filtration properties of the R2C-type filter. Note I said "type" to allow for the possibility that there are other dry micro-fiber filter media out there that are comparable to the materials used by R2C. I will never use an oiled cotton K&N-style filter in a vehicle again; the amount of dust that comes through a new filter is disturbing, but the amount that comes through a cotton-felt filter after its been cleaned just once is horrific.
Its fun to come up with a workable performance solution out of loose parts, and I don't discourage that, but its also very difficult to beat the plug-and-play value of the JWT POP-Charger intake w/ the best filter you can buy for $135. Everything fits just right, no messing around, no compromises, and you get a trick little bracket that holds everything firmly in place.
Brian
Check your receipt of 17 March, you paid a whole heck of a lot more than $20 shipping to get your 3" catback to Houston. These beasts are expensive to pack and ship no matter where they go.Brian
Um, I'm going to? I don't know man. What are ya gonna do next, call me a doodie face? Grow up, I'm not gonna get into an argument about shipping with a complete stranger. Plus, Brian just called your BS anyway. So congratulations, you spent less on shipping than me.
Take my attitude.,..
This thing really is a work of art. Also, it must be seen in person to appreciate the 3” ‘factor’ of it. Usually see this type of size mandrel bent stuff on turbos, etc, as we all know.
I’ll probably compare a few things before I install.
I was thinking MAF volume with respect to RPM using the intake I have now and the LRMAF/OEM airbox, before & after of course. And AFR comps too.
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I have no idea.. Just gave him the CC # and closed my eyes.
This thing really is a work of art. Also, it must be seen in person to appreciate the 3” ‘factor’ of it. Usually see this type of size mandrel bent stuff on turbos, etc, as we all know.
I’ll probably compare a few things before I install.
I was thinking MAF volume with respect to RPM using the intake I have now and the LRMAF/OEM airbox, before & after of course. And AFR comps too.
I live just north of the border in Canada, and I have a US address I had my catback shipped to. My wife's picking it up right now! (my passport just expired haha) It's going on tonight!! WOOOOOO!!!
Sorry winers, I found a copy of my reciept and shipping cost me a whopping $52.92 wasn't trying to stir up anythng, For some reason or other I thought my last portion of payment was $550, so when I saw that post deposit ($222) fee @ $ 570.91,....I assumed $20 of it was for shipping....honest mistake...I don't B.S. and it doesn't really freaking matter unless you leave across the street from me and your shipping cost was higher than mine ( thru the roof)....does it?