.1 or .2 seconds faster is not 'dusting' something. Come back when it runs 12s stock, then you can say it 'dusts' a Maxima.

 

Are we angry now? it's was simply a metaphor many people in this forum use to say "I won". Pride

If I was wrong I would say something like: "I didn't know that, thanks for the info., later dude"

When the 2002 6sp HSLD gets tested it "may" be faster than the R/T.

You had a chance to save face but now hear it is:

Steve, stop letting facts get in the way of a good story.

Hummm who had the facts wrong here!!!

Props to the GTP. But I'm trying to figure out why someone is trying to tell us that a car that could only run 14.5 in the 1/4 is faster than something that runs 14.3. ***cough***jbgoodmax***cough***

Hummm !!!

You should be thanking me(us) that you didn't get into a run in with a R/T. I don't own a R/T, but you guys made me defend the car like I did.

As for the 12's comment, get real. Anybody that races will tell you that a few tenths of a second and a high trap speed is a considerable loss.

What we can say which was the topic of this discussion:

The Maxima is NOT the fastest FWD EVER! (as of today)

But what we can say is that it prolly is the "best" FWD car EVER,
# for # and $ for $.

Later dude

 

No I don't agree. Acura has a little secret for you guys the new 6sp CL-S will have 280hp...read it and weep. This car will be passing you in March 2002.

 

And will be passing us as well in $...in Grands to be more specific.

 

Then talk **** then. Until then, this car doesn't exist. lol

 

This doesn't mean s***
A 255hp 6sp still has a chance against YOUR March 2002 CL-S 6sp 280hp. the CL-S will probably weigh a lot more as usual and we will leave you guys behind as always. for example now a stock Maxima 2k1 5sp beats a stock 2k1 acura CL-S/TL-S

And compare the prices...its a few grands

 

Wow, what a surprise...someone from the Type-S board came over to complain about our posts. Oh, and what a surprise...now that the Maxima is clearly a faster car stock (no debate like there was in '01) he is talking about a future version which is still vaporcar.

I'm flabergasted by this completely uncharacteristic behavior.

 

well the 03 max will be a 6spd with 330 hp and RWD..


and my daddy's ***** is still bigger than yours..

*no smiley*

 

You are joking right? The CL-S is an auto, and it can still beat a 2k1 5sp or an 2k2 auto Max. The CL-S coming in March will blow the doors off any Max. Weight isn't a factor because eveyone knows that a manual is lighter than an auto. Enjoy your little 6sp Max fun now, because in March it will be over.

 

 

let me help you get your foot out of your mouth...

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=53614

 

Without major changes to the new CL-S engine, the HP might go to 280HP, but the torque won't go much higher. Just remember that you will be hauling around 3500 pounds. And the difference in weight between a manual and auto tranny is usually no more than 50 pounds.

I tell you what, compare your little TL-S to the Maxima, since both have 4 doors, HIDs, heated accoutrements (that means "parts"), and other luxury goodies and go home with your tail between your legs.

We just need to find something to compare the new and improved overpriced CL-S with 280 HP (supposedly) that goes for $30K. What 2 door car going for around $30K could we compare it to? Any ideas, anybody? The Maxima and it would be head-to-head. I need to think of something that will beat it.

Say, doesn't the 350Z start around $30K??? Now that would make sense. It's a 2 door, right?

So, to recap, the 2002 Maxima will beat the TL-S, no question, and MOST CL-S (if not all of them, even the new 280HP CL-S). And the 350Z will hand you your a$$ on a silver platter, even with your precious 280HP.

And you still spent too much.

 

You make me laugh, no cares about the accord....oops I mean CL-S coming out in march because if it is faster than the max(won't be by much) it definitely be childs play lined up with the 350Z which will probaly be cheaper than a CL-S so keep ur' trap shut

 

if i still had my maxima i would be more then happy to race a tl-s or cl-s
and guess what. the over priced accord would lose

wanna run a gsx Mr big ****?

 

well put. they just can't get over they wasted too much money on a car

 

I still can't believe this acura dude can't understand and get it through his head that the 2k2 auto can beat his CL-S.
The thread said the guy even had a CAI...a CAI which should give a good amount of hp at wheels and the maxima stock still beat him by .2 sec. and it was a CL-S...not a TL-S

So if its like this now with the CL-S now then the 2k2 6sp should still beat the 2k2 CL-S 6sp.

This dude thinks hp tells if the car is faster. compare a GTI golf VR6. 174hp to a 2k1 maxima 222hp....there is a 50hp difference. and ofcourse you will think the maxima will beat the VR6 but no...the VR6 is faster(by a little bit). It weighs less, it might have a different ratio gears, everything is diffrerent basicly...this goes the same over here.

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!

 

You forgot to metion that very same car ran a 14.6 a few day's ago . Also to the very anoying CL-S fella, the Automatic GXE maxima is about 130 lb's lighter then the 14.6 second GLE. This means a auto GXE max will be capable of a 14.5 1/4 mile. But yet you will continue to live in your little dream world and say over and over again a auto 2K2 max is slower then my car, when are you going to wake up? And remember, a auto max is quicker then you with only 4 gears.

 

Whatever when the Type R CL comes out in March all of you will be eating your words. The TYPE R CL WILL OWN YOU ALL!

 

look out
im scared
let me tuck my tail between my legs and get in my gsx eclipse and drive away with my head hanging low because the TYEP-R cl is comming out

get a life.

 

Why would I be eating my words? I have not even compared my max to the possible "6spd CL-S Type R. There is no sense in even comparing my 6spd max with a car that does not even exist yet, when I get facts about HP output and such I may share some words, but untill then... I can't compare. I will say it know though, I would not be suprised if the eleged TL-S Type r is slower then my max. Infact it will be slower either way because I will have some mods by then.

BTW I seriously dow't Acura will call it a CL-S Type r, they use the letter S now rather then "R". Not to mention they would not even be able fit all those letters on the trunk .

 

you can't accept the facts...you are one-minded

 

OT: GTP's are slow anyway, how many 2k2's are gonna be at California Speedway in January? how about maxima's all together? Alot of us (SCACGP members, ClubGP) will be there. I'd love to see you guys there in full force (whoopin up them ponticraps, CL/TL type slows, Honduh slowvics, slowcords, Slowstangs, and your own fellow Maxicrap buds) I personally would love to race/bs/ and have an all around good time with the Maxima.org crew. The more the merrier, See you there!


98' Black GTP, Mods: the usual crap.

 

I didn't know Acura was renaming the NSX to CL type R , weird.

 

yeah well my 1999 automagic maxima GLE will smoke u all, include your CL type S type R type this type that blah blah blah... because it has an amazing 190hp and 20000000hp with NOS and stickers

 

I'm guessing owning said Type-R involves buying an ITR badge and slapping it on your trunklid?

 

Like I DID say, I gave props to the GTP for being faster. I have NOT given them to the R/T. Why? BECAUSE YOU STILL haven't given us ONE reference that it runs the 0-60 or 1/4s faster.

This isn't news.

You. You still haven't given us a FACT, only the opinion 'I think that the R/T runs a 14.~ (<===whstever the hell that means, you've used it numerous times). BACK UP WHAT YOU SAY!!! I personally saw the car run a 14.3. That is a fact, something that can be proven. You have had 4 days to find this 'magical magazine' and we still doen't have a reference to it.

Hmmm what?

[quote]You should be thanking me(us) that you didn't get into a run in with a R/T. I don't own a R/T, but you guys made me defend the car like I did. [quote]And you did such a good job at it too...

I DID SAY 2/10 OF A SECOND, CORRECT? Obviously you have never been to a track. .2 seconds is 2 car lengths, not exactly DUSTING someone. That's called a WALK.

Go you! We aren't arguing that anymore, we are arguing the concept that the R/T is faster than the Maxima.<===You still haven't proven that, in case you missed all the other posts above this.

 

Yeah and when the car STILL is a big fat @ss and STILL weighs 300lb more than a Maxima the 2k2 Max 6spd will STILL own jOO because jOO morons do not understand...

F=ma

Force = Mass x Acceleration.

It doesn't matter if you have about as much horsepower and an equal number of gears. When your car is a big fat @ss it will not accelerate as quickly!

 

As for the debate, I haven't read all 10 pages now (wow!) but the Maxima might not be the fastest FWD production car ever, but if you cancel out the special edition Spirit R/T's or whatever (probably blew up after a year so they discontinued them... ) then the Maxima is probably one of the fastest if not THE fastest.

But whatever...

One thing is clear, and that's that it's CERTAINLY faster than an Acura TL-S/CL-S.

Does a TL-S run low-14's stock?

I don't think so... And it won't when it gets the 6spd either because it's still an extremely heavy car and the Maxima has a 300lb weight advantage an HLSD to launch better.

The TL-S/CL-S's are fast. But the 2k2 Maxima is faster

Just my $0.02 when looking at universal things like the Laws of Physics and not any biases for or against Nissan's or Acura's, or other said emotional attachment with cars.

Just Physics, folks. You can't ignore that...

SteVTEC

 

You're absolutely right, however you're missing one key detail. The manufacturers always overstate the performance of the car, not understate it. Cars rarely live up to the lies that their makers advertise, but in this case you claim it is a good 1 second faster then the overstated lies of the it's maker.

Stereodude

 

This is really odd. I could have sworn we were comparing a stock 2002 SE 6-speed to a stock 91-92 R/T. You're comparing a 2000 Max 5-speed to a modded 1991 R/T. Kinda lets the air out of your arguments. How about you show us your timeslips from the the car was stock. Then well compare them to a 2002 SE 6-speed. Then we'll draw some conclusions together. So far all the data we have says the 2002 Max SE 6-speed is faster.

Stereodude

 

His Maxima is also modded....CAI and Y-pipe but it doesn't do 13's as the R/T...he did 14.3 in his maxima which is awosome.

 

Did you not see my other post: I said the GTP was faster!!!!!!!! I said because I cann't find the other mag of 5.4/14.~ that I am not going to quot it. I did say I have to hook up my scanner (ie find drivers, ....) !!!! Next, if you want to use times that are at the track of individuals, then that's cool, I will give you a link(s) to a site with the R/T doing .... I will scan in the mag of 5.8/14.5!!

" You have had 4 days to find this 'magical magazine' and we still doen't have a reference to it."

I only spoke of the 5.8/14.5 as a FACT, and I eluded to 5.4/14.~ IF I FIND THE MAG How many times have I said this !!!! what , what, what!

I don't know why the hell you think I am making this up, I have had 3 Maximas and going on fourth (well maybe), anyway I don't have a damn thing to gain by proving the R/T is faster, I have more to loss. The amount of money spent to mod maximas to "go fast" is a shame when we look at a stock Amer car in 91, 92 that can beat mosted moded max's, when the R/T gets moded damn that thing is in the 12's and 13's with just a few hundred dollars.

Did I not say metaphor!!! You don't read!!!!!
You said unil it does 12's, the 97' Vette doesn't do 12's are you saying it will not dust you (2002 6sp Max)!!!!

You are just mad that the R/T is faster that you thought, and now you are whinning about "duhhh it's not dusting duhhh it needs to run 12's duhhh this isn't news duuhhh!!!!


Did I say it was news !!!! You have a big bug up your A@@ cause you where wrong about the R/T, so you are picking at any little thing to prove something.

some are not stock...
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/butchnn/fastcars.htm
http://www.badassperformance.com/sdac/dragtimes.htm

http://www.pinnaclecda.com/ShelbyDod...t_pictures.htm

check some of the other non R/T cars out with min. mods.
http://www.pinnaclecda.com/hpm1.htm

http://www.pinnaclecda.com/Racing-Sh...une_1999_2.htm


"Like I DID say, I gave props to the GTP for being faster. I have NOT given them to the R/T. Why? BECAUSE YOU STILL haven't given us ONE reference that it runs the 0-60 or 1/4s faster."

You continue to act like a smart a@@!!! Well I guess those links will not be enough!!! let me see: "duhh they are not real cars aliens landed in a ship that looks like a R/T"

Please, it's over!!! We sould be looking at why it's faster.


This was a discussion , I would perfer that the Max was faster.

thanks for the "walk" and track thing,
later, dude

 

so those links still don't prove anything. a maxima that rolls off the line and a r/t the max is still faster.

 

I'd have to agree. You've only shown us mod'd R/T's. Scan the magazine and post it rather than giving us links to people who've mod'd them.

Stereodude

 

guys, most of those were stock. the 12's 13' were moded.


I don't think it will make much of a diff if I scan or not, we have had an owner with a Max and R/T state the speed light mods and dyno plot , we have heard me say that it get's 5.8/14.5(with proof). Now we have links of these cars, an other sites like this one (just dodge stuff).

I'm still going to scan, but I will not break my neck to get it done.
I may call Autoweek to see if they have some tests on microfilm (I am more eager for getting this mag because of the awesome times).

Later



__________________________________________________ _________________
Mike Kelley
1991 Dodge Spirit R/T
Not only does it look great, but he races it too! Best time of 14.57 in the Quarter Mile. Update: the new best times are 14.0 at 97 mph and 14.2 at 100mph! Well done Mike! Be sure to go to the HPM '98 and Cecil June '99 page for more images.

Mike Kelley's 1991 Dodge Spirit R/T - one amazingly fast stock turbo sedan

Take a rather sedate looking four door (Spirit) and add the most powerful Chrysler engine based on hp/liter (Turbo III) and you have a car that runs 14.52 at 97.17 mph. Add some slicks and a firmed-up suspension, and this car will easily be in the 13's. Very impressive indeed.

____________________________________



14.14 @ 95.21 '91 Spirit R/T 2.2L T3 A568 Radials Gerry Bertram

_________________________________________________

 

where did you get 0-60 5.9 sec? is this an estimate or from the mag?

 

Hi. It's me again. I posted on page 5 and page 8. LOL!! You guys still going at it over here?

 

there are programs that estimate VERY closely based on 1/4 mile times and he just input my 14.3 i got and it spit that out.

 

Cliff Notes please, I can't make sense of this mess.

 

Nothing to make sense of. He talks about how fast it is stock and then gives links to a bunch of people who've modded the car. That's not what I call convincing evidence.

Stereodude