Two words I never thought I'd say: Sprint Booster
Booster = Fun.
07-21-2010, 12:39 PM
#122
07-21-2010, 12:47 PM
#123
07-21-2010, 12:52 PM
#124
07-21-2010, 01:04 PM
#126
The basics of what Rochester is saying is, that he never would have installed it him self, hes not interested in performance gains only fun, and to go try it for your self. What does that have to do with your almighty knowledge and contributions 5 years ago on this forum.
07-21-2010, 01:06 PM
#127
Act 1. Negativity (rinse & repeat)
Act 2. Feigned Dismissal
Act 3. Shocked Defense
It's like a Broadway play that runs the same skit over and over. (Yawn) All this attention, but no adulation.
Act 4 is usually last call, where the villain slinks away off stage.
"As my guide and I watched from the bushes..."
Act 2. Feigned Dismissal
Act 3. Shocked Defense
It's like a Broadway play that runs the same skit over and over. (Yawn) All this attention, but no adulation.
Act 4 is usually last call, where the villain slinks away off stage.
"As my guide and I watched from the bushes..."
He does the same routine in EVERY thread he posts in, its the most annoying thing I ever read on this forum.
07-21-2010, 01:07 PM
#128
When was the last time you contributed anything positive or passed on any knowledge? 2005?
The basics of what Rochester is saying is, that he never would have installed it him self, hes not interested in performance gains only fun, and to go try it for your self. What does that have to do with your almighty knowledge and contributions 5 years ago on this forum.
The basics of what Rochester is saying is, that he never would have installed it him self, hes not interested in performance gains only fun, and to go try it for your self. What does that have to do with your almighty knowledge and contributions 5 years ago on this forum.
07-21-2010, 01:08 PM
#129
The basics of what Rochester is saying is, that he never would have installed it him self, hes not interested in performance gains only fun, and to go try it for your self. What does that have to do with your almighty knowledge and contributions 5 years ago on this forum.
"Oh, my gosh, my cheeks are killing me. I can't keep smiling like this anymore."
07-21-2010, 01:46 PM
#131
07-21-2010, 02:02 PM
#133
Now that's actually pretty funny! The graphic is a little crude, but the humor is good. Some people understand nuance better than others.
07-21-2010, 02:17 PM
#136
The funny thing is after the booster was installed we all sat around with a beer discussing the implications of making a thread about it...So all these responses were predicted.
You can't prove a feeling...You can't prove you love something so whats the point in asking for proof of a changed feeling?
Try it, if you like it then great...if you don't then you've lost nothing.
I tried it, I didn't feel the difference...No biggie
You can't prove a feeling...You can't prove you love something so whats the point in asking for proof of a changed feeling?
Try it, if you like it then great...if you don't then you've lost nothing.
I tried it, I didn't feel the difference...No biggie
07-21-2010, 02:21 PM
#138
07-21-2010, 02:30 PM
#140
for sure. if youve been in this forum long enough you know that starting a thread about the sprint booster is a mistake, the path has been traveled enough that you know the result
07-21-2010, 03:16 PM
#145
I think it's hilarious that the .Org will make five pages of posting over a tiny little piece of electronic equipment.
Sooner running off at the mouth, trying to argue an opinion. Just like he tried telling me that H&R springs are a 'good choice' even though me and nearly everyone else thinks otherwise.
Rochester likes the Booster. Sooner likes sagging springs that let him pretend he's driving a Buick.
Totally subjective and qualitative experiences, people like to debate to no end.
The difference here, is that Sooner thinks he's a badazz and claims that Rochester feels threatened by him, but how can you be a badazz if your "badazz" catalyst is Firefox/Explorer/Google Chrome?
Sooner running off at the mouth, trying to argue an opinion. Just like he tried telling me that H&R springs are a 'good choice' even though me and nearly everyone else thinks otherwise.
Rochester likes the Booster. Sooner likes sagging springs that let him pretend he's driving a Buick.
Totally subjective and qualitative experiences, people like to debate to no end.
The difference here, is that Sooner thinks he's a badazz and claims that Rochester feels threatened by him, but how can you be a badazz if your "badazz" catalyst is Firefox/Explorer/Google Chrome?
07-21-2010, 03:29 PM
#147
i havent seen you post one thing that shows you have any knowledge...just opinions and complaining about me
07-21-2010, 03:44 PM
#151
ok what the hell????
this thread started this past sunday about the sprint booster, and now it ended up with soonerfan and Rochester and the gang taking jabs at each other!!!
no wonder so much info gets lost on the .org , all the newbs have fish through posts and posts of jabbs.
entertaining nonetheless though.
this thread started this past sunday about the sprint booster, and now it ended up with soonerfan and Rochester and the gang taking jabs at each other!!!
no wonder so much info gets lost on the .org , all the newbs have fish through posts and posts of jabbs.
entertaining nonetheless though.
07-21-2010, 03:45 PM
#152
wow.. this escalated quite quickly lol...
sooner.. not sure if u remember me, but i used to post on here all the time when u still had ur maxima,.. and when irish and puppet were mods ,...
all i can say is this.. rochester is a very rational person.. who does alot of research on the maxima, is very knowledgable and who usually treats noobs and noob topics the same way you do.AND has been here long enough to where I trust his decision about his maxima,...that being said..
will I buy a sprint booster? prob not,.. but do i value his opinion more then most? ..yes
not sure if that means anything to you,.. but just thought I would add my .02 cents in,...
sooner.. not sure if u remember me, but i used to post on here all the time when u still had ur maxima,.. and when irish and puppet were mods ,...all i can say is this.. rochester is a very rational person.. who does alot of research on the maxima, is very knowledgable and who usually treats noobs and noob topics the same way you do.AND has been here long enough to where I trust his decision about his maxima,...that being said..
will I buy a sprint booster? prob not,.. but do i value his opinion more then most? ..yes
not sure if that means anything to you,.. but just thought I would add my .02 cents in,...
07-21-2010, 03:46 PM
#153
07-21-2010, 03:47 PM
#155
this isnt true, its just that the majority that are still around from a while back and hold a lot of information on the 5th gen are mostly interested in performance, so sometimes if you have something thats not performance related you may risk being ridiculed. im still trying to prove that the z33 IM with spacer and manifold work is better than a really well done SSIM and port matching, which kind of got me up **** creek a while back, but sooner or later I will show either way. you just have to be able to substantiate your claims here and something that is based on feel just cant have the performance substantiated since it offers no real performance increase
07-21-2010, 03:49 PM
#157
ok what the hell????
this thread started this past sunday about the sprint booster, and now it ended up with soonerfan and Rochester and the gang taking jabs at each other!!!
no wonder so much info gets lost on the .org , all the newbs have fish through posts and posts of jabbs.
entertaining nonetheless though.
this thread started this past sunday about the sprint booster, and now it ended up with soonerfan and Rochester and the gang taking jabs at each other!!!
no wonder so much info gets lost on the .org , all the newbs have fish through posts and posts of jabbs.
entertaining nonetheless though.
07-21-2010, 04:11 PM
#158
07-21-2010, 04:17 PM
#159
Wow, this thread really went sideways (as expected), but it took longer than I had expected.
I don't have time to refute everything in this thread, but I'll try to hit on a few points. Since there are so many (mainly due to repetition) please apologize for the curtness.
Feels? You mean gives you more output (torque/power/acceleration) at lower pedal movements? If so, everyone can replicate an increase in output with increasing pedal application.
Actually that's all you have, an opinion/feeling it works. The facts are on the sprint booster website and corroborate the posts of those you disagree with (it sort of 'amplifies' the pedal position signal; not technically correct, but close enough).
The sprint booster does nothing to reduce throttle lag, which is the time delay caused by the controller measurement, processing and throttle plate motion. The product changes the correlation between the actual accelerator pedal position and pedal position feedback; something like this (from the other thread):
Not every product need be tested to know how well it works; if you have a reasonable understanding of it's technology/method.
This has nothing to do this throttle lag; see above.
Not this guy: (BTW, talking to people that love a product will give a one-sided response)
Oh snap, I just got served...
And again...
Or you made a world of assumptions to skew the story to your liking. My original story was accurate, although I claimed it 'took up lag', which should be loosely interpreted as increased output. Notably, my assessment is based upon more than a few minutes of driving, even though I doubt anyone would need much time to become acclimated as you claimed.
It's not an ideological box, its a technical/physical box constrained by the laws of nature/physics.
My enthusiasm for this topic stems for the reason I visit this forum: to help others by providing good information. The desire to provide good information encompasses the desire to also refute bad information. This isn't my first thread where I've told someone they're wrong.
Only if it also switched off the brakes.
You're really going there?
The fracture stemming this thread's argument is pretty simple: those opposing know it doesn't do the things (or act by the methods) the supporters think it does. It will certainly make the car feel different, like a short throw shifter, but it has negatives.
Ironically with the STS analogy, the people of this forum would rather modify their transmission shift arms to save the ~$75 for a STS; how does this product's value fit?
No matter where you are, half the people will have below average intelligence levels. (not directed at anyone specific, just seemingly appropriate).
I don't have time to refute everything in this thread, but I'll try to hit on a few points. Since there are so many (mainly due to repetition) please apologize for the curtness.
Actually that's all you have, an opinion/feeling it works. The facts are on the sprint booster website and corroborate the posts of those you disagree with (it sort of 'amplifies' the pedal position signal; not technically correct, but close enough).
It eliminates throttle lag, and mashing the pedal to the floor does not eliminate throttle lag. Reflashing the ecu like technosquare, reduces throttle lag, and the spring booster eliminates throttle lag. If you push the pedal halfway to the floor and it takes 10 seconds to respond, then pushing the pedal all the way to the floor will still take 10 seconds to respond.
Everyone, and I mean everyone who has tested this product on the Maxima, and the G35 and the BMW's that I have talked to love this product. Everyone was skeptical just like most of you. 95% of the people who have tested the booster bought one. The other 5% want one but don't want to pay full retail price or just couldn't afford it. I have not personally heard of any complaints from the people I have helped buy one of these. I have sold over 60 through 3 different forums and not a single person said this is BS thanks for wasting my time. They all had the same reaction. "Holy crap it really does work!"
However, in my car I did not notice a tangible change. Being that my car does have an F-Spec TS Flash that may have been the reason I did not have the same reaction as John, but it was clear that he definately noticed a change in his car. Having met him in person he doesn't seem the type to exaggerate.
Only one person in here that has been bashing the product has actually used the sprint booster and said he didn't like it. But it sounds to me that he bought a new "mod" and instead of testing it before hand to see how his car reacted, just plopped it in the car and went autocrossing. He assumed there would be no learning curve and that he would not have to change his driving habits a little bit. Maybe it sucked on the crossfire, or maybe the driver had zero patience. Or maybe he should have tried the product before a "race day" to get a feel for how much it remapped his throttle.
Or you made a world of assumptions to skew the story to your liking. My original story was accurate, although I claimed it 'took up lag', which should be loosely interpreted as increased output. Notably, my assessment is based upon more than a few minutes of driving, even though I doubt anyone would need much time to become acclimated as you claimed.
It made small throttle applications, or variations of, very sensitive which affected ability to smoothly start the vehicle and modulate part throttle applications (greater than 50%). These experiences caused us to remove the sprint booster, which made the vehicle much easier to drive (auto-cross).
It feels to me more like 2slow is stuck in an ideological box. It also seems he's comfortable there... and that's fine, he's a good guy and he's happy.
Or is he? His arguments are uncharacteristically energetic.
Let's see what's next from our friend, 2slow.
(BTW, this thing belongs in my mod list, right next to the short-throw shifter. Thanks again, Ray.)
Or is he?
His arguments are uncharacteristically energetic.Let's see what's next from our friend, 2slow.
(BTW, this thing belongs in my mod list, right next to the short-throw shifter. Thanks again, Ray.)
My enthusiasm for this topic stems for the reason I visit this forum: to help others by providing good information. The desire to provide good information encompasses the desire to also refute bad information. This isn't my first thread where I've told someone they're wrong.
You're really going there?
The fracture stemming this thread's argument is pretty simple: those opposing know it doesn't do the things (or act by the methods) the supporters think it does. It will certainly make the car feel different, like a short throw shifter, but it has negatives.
Ironically with the STS analogy, the people of this forum would rather modify their transmission shift arms to save the ~$75 for a STS; how does this product's value fit?
No matter where you are, half the people will have below average intelligence levels. (not directed at anyone specific, just seemingly appropriate).