So I found a tech that will advance my timing 2 degrees for 40 bucks tomorrow morning.
Is there anything else I should tell him to tweak or check or anything at all?
Consult 2 ftw.

 

I'd like to do the same, let me know how you like it

 

I had a local org member that's a friend of mine do it to my 03 using cipher..as long as your motor is straight you should be fine.It takes a couple minutes to do and noticed a little better throttle response but before you do it fill up your tank with 93 and always use premium after it's bumped, never did any harm to my engine and I drove it pretty hard too

 

Even if the timing is advanced and you have issues the ecu can still retard timing. Go for it.

You might notice a slight decrease in mpg...though that could be placebo from a heavier foot.

 

Do it up!

 

40 bucks is kind of a rip off... I think 20 is a more fair price. It's literally 3 minutes of work for them.

 

Hell I would do it for $10 using Cipher. Drive on down to Dallas. Lol

 

yeah its a bit of a rip, but u get what you can get i guess.

I had mine advanced when I did a heavy tune up. I am running 89 octane too.

 

MrEous, does Cipher also reset idle? If not, will doing the foot pedal reset procedure undo the timing bump?

 

Nope! Foot pedal dance is the cheaper route at this point to reset idle...and the foot procedure will not reset the timing advance.

 

Yes. It can adjust it.

http://www.uprev.com/products.php#product_cipher

 

I brought my car to Nissan this morning to flush/replace my transmission oil. I paid the Nissan tech $40 to do it. He was a nice guy and did it for me in 5min. He also charged me with only half an hour for the gear oil change instead of a full hour of labor, so in the end I saved about $50 on the oil change and the tech made $40. I can feel a slightly stronger pull throughout the entire rpm range. It will be the new normal in a few days...

 

^ "I paid the Nissan tech $40 to do it"

I mean I paid him cash for the timing advance. It wasn't really clear after I read what I just posted...

 

Does the $10 timing bump still stand?

BTW, I'm a 5th gen.

 

5.0 gen cannot use Cipher, nor is the foot dance used to adjust idle on it, as it has an IACV, and is not TBW.

You can have them do the IAVL.

 

Adjust idle +/-250rpm...yes
Reset idle to stock...nope

 

I was told by the Nissan tech it was very important to let the car warm up well before starting to drive after the timing advance... Why is that, to avoid pinging?

 

Higher chance of pinging I suppose

 

I'm really surprised at how cheap the cipher is, if I understan correctly, it can do almost as much as the consult II? What kind of money would you be lookin at for a consult II, and what are the benefits of havin it over cipher?

 

That's because the ECT needs to be within a certain range before any changes can take place.

Well, what is "stock"? Stock is more of a range than anything else.

Used to be 2x it's current price though.

 

Stock should be 650rpm (+/-). My point really is that Cipher can't do a reset of the idle like the Consult can.

Case in point?...when I did my spacer install my idle was at 1000rpm-ish. Opened Cipher and it could only add 250rpm to my timing, thus making it 1250rpm. Cipher was of no help at setting my idle back to the stock 650rpm...I had to do the Idle Reset procedure.

 

Sounds like Cipher is a worth while investment though. I did not have that high idle problem after my spacers were installed....don't know if that had anything to do with headers and full exhaust being installed at the same time...or the UD pulley......but never had idle problems after my installs.

 

It was probably the high idle.

I used the Cipher to reset my ECU (rid my TPS codes), and then do the IAVL using the Cipher. Fixed my high idle last time I did my TB cleaning/spacer install.

Idle depends on the tranny:
M/T: 625±50 rpm
A/T: 675±50 rpm

Mine sits at 685 -725

 

I am all stock except a bop and spacers and had no idle problems from either install.

Is the consult II hard to get, and/or alot more $$ than cipher? I found some on flebay but they are all differently price and I'm not really sure what they should include

 

what is the purpose of raising the idle on the car? I know sometimes depending on how aggressive cams are when people install cams....they have to increase idle to keep car from stalling...but on a normal car do you get better performance or something?

 

How did you do IAVL using Cipher? Procedure-wise...
Consult II will (should) be a LOT more expensive. The 'consult software' you see on eBay may or may not work. The Consult II is an actual handheld unit.
I don't see much of a performance increase for an otherwise stock car...

 

When you live in a climate that has +100° heat for most of the summer you'll appreciate a little higher idle value. You may be surprised what a 150-200 rpm bump will do for your AC system when you're idling in traffic. You guys in the North don't have to worry about that.

I'm guessing UDP owners may have a little electrical benefit as well.

 

my issue is finding (over the phone) a dealership that will make these adjustments in my area. i guess the best way is to ask a tech while having your car serviced, but i do all my work.

 

yeah its not your standard.... service. all you need to do is talk to a tech and tell him exactly what you want