CL-S Rumors Finally Proven
01-04-2002, 03:52 PM
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CL-S Rumors Finally Proven
Unfortunately, the rumors were true as of today's press release. 6-speed manual and 5-speed SportsShift automatic.
http://hondanews.com/forms/acura/
http://hondanews.com/forms/acura/
01-04-2002, 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by maxse01
Ahhh, we will still smoke them.
Ahhh, we will still smoke them.
01-04-2002, 05:21 PM
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Y-a-a-a-a-a-a-w-n!
Oops- must have nodded off there for a moment from all the excitement about the new CL 6 speed. Sorry.
That front end sure looks ugly with that lower grill opening, though. Even uglier that the Acura guys claim our Maxima's rear end is (Man, my grade school grammar teacher must be spinning in her grave with that last sentence!).
290 hp, huh? That must be with the DVD based NAV on full power!
Oops- must have nodded off there for a moment from all the excitement about the new CL 6 speed. Sorry.
That front end sure looks ugly with that lower grill opening, though. Even uglier that the Acura guys claim our Maxima's rear end is (Man, my grade school grammar teacher must be spinning in her grave with that last sentence!).
290 hp, huh? That must be with the DVD based NAV on full power!
01-04-2002, 05:35 PM
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Re: cripes...
Originally posted by TimW
would it *kill* them to redesign the NSX. I loved the NSX.. 8 years ago!
would it *kill* them to redesign the NSX. I loved the NSX.. 8 years ago!
and with those headlamps, i hate it even more now. I want to see the taillamp change too...
01-04-2002, 07:04 PM
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Re: CL-S Rumors Finally Proven
Originally posted by MichaelAE
Unfortunately, the rumors were true as of today's press release. 6-speed manual and 5-speed SportsShift automatic.
http://hondanews.com/forms/acura/
Unfortunately, the rumors were true as of today's press release. 6-speed manual and 5-speed SportsShift automatic.
http://hondanews.com/forms/acura/
All 2003 CL models are powered by 3.2 liter, 24-valve, all aluminum, V-6 engines featuring the patented VTEC(TM) (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control) system. The 3.2 CL's engine produces 225 horsepower and 216 lb-ft of torque, providing quick acceleration and effortless cruising. The CL Type-S delivers 260 horsepower at 6100 rpm, and 232 lb-ft of torque between 3500 and 5500 rpm due to the addition of several elements including a high volume, dual-stage induction system, a low-restriction dual-outlet exhaust and an increased compression ratio. Platinum-tipped spark plugs and other long-life components allow the 3.2 CL to run for 105,000 miles before the first engine tune up. EPA fuel mileage for the 3.2 CL and the CL Type-S with 5-speed automatic transmission is 19 mph city and 29 mph highway. Estimated fuel mileage for the CL Type-S with 6-speed manual transmission is 19 mph city and 28 mph highway.
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01-04-2002, 10:08 PM
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Re: Re: cripes...
Originally posted by Driven EF9
They did, minor redesign... it all gained it 7mph for top speed...boosting it to 175mph.
and with those headlamps, i hate it even more now. I want to see the taillamp change too...
They did, minor redesign... it all gained it 7mph for top speed...boosting it to 175mph.
and with those headlamps, i hate it even more now. I want to see the taillamp change too...
Oh i love it. I think it looks like a little 360 modena (except much less sexy cause it isn't italian)
01-04-2002, 10:56 PM
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The Acuras still weigh considerably more than the Maxima.
I am kind of glad they will release the 6 speed - at least it will have a sporting chance to the 2K2 Maxima. It's not fun to absolutely cream the competition every time, it gets old after a while.
I am kind of glad they will release the 6 speed - at least it will have a sporting chance to the 2K2 Maxima. It's not fun to absolutely cream the competition every time, it gets old after a while.
01-04-2002, 11:33 PM
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If I want a two door I would go for the new Z 6spd. There will be tons of aftermarket for it and will be true performance rather than a CL-S.
Four door wise unless the TL-S will come in a 6spd I would say the 6spd Max is the best value. Or even the Auto Max is the way to go since there is money saved for mods which both cars need.
Four door wise unless the TL-S will come in a 6spd I would say the 6spd Max is the best value. Or even the Auto Max is the way to go since there is money saved for mods which both cars need.
01-05-2002, 06:01 AM
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I actually would like to see CLs getting 290 hps, cuz I think its a great car, and I think acura by going with more horsepower would only make other car makers want to compete more, and we as the consumers get the benefits
01-05-2002, 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by tapwr3000
I actually would like to see CLs getting 290 hps, cuz I think its a great car, and I think acura by going with more horsepower would only make other car makers want to compete more, and we as the consumers get the benefits
I actually would like to see CLs getting 290 hps, cuz I think its a great car, and I think acura by going with more horsepower would only make other car makers want to compete more, and we as the consumers get the benefits
Very...uh...polite.
01-05-2002, 11:22 AM
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I like the CLS more than the TLS. Find that the bubble butts is better than flat butts. I do prefer 4 doors however.
The $4000Cdn difference obviously was an issue when deciding what to buy. The reliability issues were also. If they can make a good transmission, and price stays the same, a 6 speed CLS with or without more hp would be tempting. The eight's Hondas all have nice manual tranmissions, and handled well.
The $4000Cdn difference obviously was an issue when deciding what to buy. The reliability issues were also. If they can make a good transmission, and price stays the same, a 6 speed CLS with or without more hp would be tempting. The eight's Hondas all have nice manual tranmissions, and handled well.
01-05-2002, 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by JAKE02
I would say it will be just a matter of time till that 6 spd finds a home in the TL-S as well, will make things more interesting for sure.
I would say it will be just a matter of time till that 6 spd finds a home in the TL-S as well, will make things more interesting for sure.
01-05-2002, 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by MichaelAE
Its always "just a matter of time" before Acura catches up to Nissan on these things. Its not as if Nissan will just wait...that "matter of time" will see Nissan releasing the G35, a 6th gen Maxima...then it will be, once again, "just a matter of time" before Acura figures out what to do.
Its always "just a matter of time" before Acura catches up to Nissan on these things. Its not as if Nissan will just wait...that "matter of time" will see Nissan releasing the G35, a 6th gen Maxima...then it will be, once again, "just a matter of time" before Acura figures out what to do.
01-05-2002, 12:44 PM
#26
Originally posted by MichaelAE
'02 6-speed + Stillen SC + CS CAI + Y-Pipe + Greddy EVO =
'02 6-speed + Stillen SC + CS CAI + Y-Pipe + Greddy EVO =
Thats great for all 2k2 owners! I personally have a 2k1 AE SCed. But as soon as im done with it I'll be happy. Plan on port and polish, bore out engine, custom forged pistons & rods and some other knick knacks Hopefully all should be done before 2k3.
01-05-2002, 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by jhans114
Thats great for all 2k2 owners! I personally have a 2k1 AE SCed. But as soon as im done with it I'll be happy. Plan on port and polish, bore out engine, custom forged pistons & rods and some other knick knacks Hopefully all should be done before 2k3.
Thats great for all 2k2 owners! I personally have a 2k1 AE SCed. But as soon as im done with it I'll be happy. Plan on port and polish, bore out engine, custom forged pistons & rods and some other knick knacks Hopefully all should be done before 2k3.
01-05-2002, 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by MichaelAE
I've got an AE myself, but I think if you pushed all of Kev's mods on a manual, you should be sitting at about 300fwhp...you've still got a chance. The VQ30 makes for a race with the Auto CL-S, so pump both of them up and you've still got a race.
I've got an AE myself, but I think if you pushed all of Kev's mods on a manual, you should be sitting at about 300fwhp...you've still got a chance. The VQ30 makes for a race with the Auto CL-S, so pump both of them up and you've still got a race.
Im about 250fwhp now but I spoke to my tech and when I dynoed my fuel got real rich on the top end. He said that if we could lean it out a bit I should push about another 20fwhp. Plus Im installing a 2 size smaller pulley for an extra 20fwhp. So it looks like i might be a little short of the big 300 but im pretty happy on how its running.
01-05-2002, 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by jhans114
I got an AE 2 Im about 250fwhp now but I spoke to my tech and when I dynoed my fuel got real rich on the top end. He said that if we could lean it out a bit I should push about another 20fwhp. Plus Im installing a 2 size smaller pulley for an extra 20fwhp. So it looks like i might be a little short of the big 300 but im pretty happy on how its running.
I got an AE 2
Im about 250fwhp now but I spoke to my tech and when I dynoed my fuel got real rich on the top end. He said that if we could lean it out a bit I should push about another 20fwhp. Plus Im installing a 2 size smaller pulley for an extra 20fwhp. So it looks like i might be a little short of the big 300 but im pretty happy on how its running.
Here's a cosmetic question. You have the Phillips HID kit I assume? If you were back at that decision and had the 2K2 assembly to consider, which would you choose? I'm wrestling with this one because I like the bronzed frames on the AE assembly, but I want to do a HID upgrade.
01-05-2002, 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by jhans114
CL-S six speed + Comptech SC + Comptech Intake + Comptech Headers =
CL-S six speed + Comptech SC + Comptech Intake + Comptech Headers =
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01-05-2002, 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by MichaelAE
Do you have the 3" y-pipe? The HKS or Greddy exhaust? Full catback? Have you built a custom CAI for the SC or just the "out of the box" from Stillen? You can do it...break the 300fwhp that is.
Here's a cosmetic question. You have the Phillips HID kit I assume? If you were back at that decision and had the 2K2 assembly to consider, which would you choose? I'm wrestling with this one because I like the bronzed frames on the AE assembly, but I want to do a HID upgrade.
Do you have the 3" y-pipe? The HKS or Greddy exhaust? Full catback? Have you built a custom CAI for the SC or just the "out of the box" from Stillen? You can do it...break the 300fwhp that is.
Here's a cosmetic question. You have the Phillips HID kit I assume? If you were back at that decision and had the 2K2 assembly to consider, which would you choose? I'm wrestling with this one because I like the bronzed frames on the AE assembly, but I want to do a HID upgrade.
01-05-2002, 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by Y2KMaxGXE-R
wonder how much M/T TL-S will cost. May cost less than fully loaded 2k2 SE with a S/C put on it.
wonder how much M/T TL-S will cost. May cost less than fully loaded 2k2 SE with a S/C put on it.
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01-05-2002, 08:30 PM
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HUH!?
Originally posted by Stereodude
Yeah and it'll be a lot slower and have less HP and torque. What's your point? Y2kevSE is pushing nearly 380HP at the crank on his SC'd 3.0VQ. Same mods on a 2k2 should give about 415HP. Couple that with a 6 speed manual and you have one heck of a fast car. Who cares if a 6sp TL-S costs a little less than a 2k2 SE w/ SC. The 6 speed TL-S about 155HP short of the SC'd 2k2 SE. I'd say you're getting something for the extra money.
Stereodude
Yeah and it'll be a lot slower and have less HP and torque. What's your point? Y2kevSE is pushing nearly 380HP at the crank on his SC'd 3.0VQ. Same mods on a 2k2 should give about 415HP. Couple that with a 6 speed manual and you have one heck of a fast car. Who cares if a 6sp TL-S costs a little less than a 2k2 SE w/ SC. The 6 speed TL-S about 155HP short of the SC'd 2k2 SE. I'd say you're getting something for the extra money.
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01-06-2002, 03:58 AM
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Originally posted by EZ
Well, at least the G35 is coming out for Infiniti so the Acura guys will finally be able to play with our luxury division instead of the our plain old Nissans
Well, at least the G35 is coming out for Infiniti so the Acura guys will finally be able to play with our luxury division instead of the our plain old Nissans
01-06-2002, 08:18 AM
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Besides the technical part of things...The CL-S is still a Honda
Originally posted by Stereodude
Yeah and it'll be a lot slower and have less HP and torque. What's your point? Y2kevSE is pushing nearly 380HP at the crank on his SC'd 3.0VQ. Same mods on a 2k2 should give about 415HP. Couple that with a 6 speed manual and you have one heck of a fast car. Who cares if a 6sp TL-S costs a little less than a 2k2 SE w/ SC. The 6 speed TL-S about 155HP short of the SC'd 2k2 SE. I'd say you're getting something for the extra money.
Stereodude
Yeah and it'll be a lot slower and have less HP and torque. What's your point? Y2kevSE is pushing nearly 380HP at the crank on his SC'd 3.0VQ. Same mods on a 2k2 should give about 415HP. Couple that with a 6 speed manual and you have one heck of a fast car. Who cares if a 6sp TL-S costs a little less than a 2k2 SE w/ SC. The 6 speed TL-S about 155HP short of the SC'd 2k2 SE. I'd say you're getting something for the extra money.
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