Test-pipe installed
01-16-2002, 08:21 PM
#1
Test-pipe installed
Just got it and installed it. Took about 45mins due to the fact that the damn stock cat is a biach to get off because of the permanent thread bolts. They stick out about 1.5" on each side and required me to freagin pull the back of the exhaust that much to get it off.
Then got the new testpipe on with no problems, used the stock gaskets, installed it. Drove it, nice gain, and happy with it.
http://bigdogjonx.gixxer.com/testpipe.html
There is a picture of what it looks like. Very simple since 2001 has no O2 sensor needed on the Testpipe.
The gains are pretty much throughout the rpm band, i mean it feels like less strain on the engine which allows it to rev up quicker, like my udp install. Since there is very little back pressure.
Just cant wait to get the Ypipe and install that, and get the custom Bpipe.
Lastly, who knows where I can get a long Azz resonator, like a 36" one. I want to drone out as much of the muffler noise as possible, after I get the Ypipe and Bpipe.
Dixit
Then got the new testpipe on with no problems, used the stock gaskets, installed it. Drove it, nice gain, and happy with it.
http://bigdogjonx.gixxer.com/testpipe.html
There is a picture of what it looks like. Very simple since 2001 has no O2 sensor needed on the Testpipe.
The gains are pretty much throughout the rpm band, i mean it feels like less strain on the engine which allows it to rev up quicker, like my udp install. Since there is very little back pressure.
Just cant wait to get the Ypipe and install that, and get the custom Bpipe.
Lastly, who knows where I can get a long Azz resonator, like a 36" one. I want to drone out as much of the muffler noise as possible, after I get the Ypipe and Bpipe.
Dixit
01-16-2002, 08:31 PM
#3
Originally posted by mechanic
Resonators you can get em at any exhaust place like Mufflerman or the like. You might want to consider getting exhaust wrap also to quieten the drone some more.
Resonators you can get em at any exhaust place like Mufflerman or the like. You might want to consider getting exhaust wrap also to quieten the drone some more.
I mean it is sort of loud right now at all levels. I drive this car on long trips every month, dont know if I can take it all the time.
Dixit
01-16-2002, 09:08 PM
#4
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silly question
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BigDogJonx
[B]Just got it and installed it
is it legal to remove the CAT? I know it's a silly question, but I thought it was... or is it in some places but not others? I know it won't stop anyone... just curious.
[B]Just got it and installed it
is it legal to remove the CAT? I know it's a silly question, but I thought it was... or is it in some places but not others? I know it won't stop anyone... just curious.
01-16-2002, 09:33 PM
#5
Re: silly question
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 2k2wannabe
[B]
It is considered a Fedral Law. So it is Illegal anywhere in the US. But only certain states enforce it by doing emmisions. Alabama does not do emmisions yet alone state inspections.
Dixit
[B]
Originally posted by BigDogJonx
Just got it and installed it
is it legal to remove the CAT? I know it's a silly question, but I thought it was... or is it in some places but not others? I know it won't stop anyone... just curious.
Just got it and installed it
is it legal to remove the CAT? I know it's a silly question, but I thought it was... or is it in some places but not others? I know it won't stop anyone... just curious.
Dixit
01-17-2002, 10:40 AM
#7
Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE
did you call that exhaust shop up regarding the custom b-pipe?
did you call that exhaust shop up regarding the custom b-pipe?
Dixit
01-17-2002, 12:56 PM
#8
Originally posted by BigDogJonx
Not yet, I am still figuring out what to do with the resonator, I need to get a custom 36" one from somewhere, I want to done out the sound as much as possible since I will be getting the Ypipe very soon.
Dixit
Not yet, I am still figuring out what to do with the resonator, I need to get a custom 36" one from somewhere, I want to done out the sound as much as possible since I will be getting the Ypipe very soon.
Dixit
01-17-2002, 02:42 PM
#9
Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE
ask that shop about one.... they should be able to do it.
ask that shop about one.... they should be able to do it.
I asked about a resonator that long, he did not have one. He said really I dont need one, he said since I already got the Straight Pipe, the Ypipe is not going to make it too much louder.
The only problem still remains, is if I want to use the stock resonator, there are two major crimps right before the resonator and after the resonator that we within 1-2"s of the resonator. This is going to make it very hard to get a new 2.5" pipe on it. Secondly, it seems as if the stock resonator and the pipe attached to it is only like 2".
This is going to turn into a larger project that I expected.
Dixit
01-17-2002, 03:10 PM
#11
Originally posted by zman187
Most states do emmisions. I live in NJ and I know we do it here.
Most states do emmisions. I live in NJ and I know we do it here.
Dixit
01-17-2002, 03:31 PM
#12
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Originally posted by BigDogJonx
Guess what, Alabama dont. Guess whatelse, Alabama dont even do State Inspections on your car. Aint that something? I never even heard of a state that dont even do annual or even one time state inspections.
Dixit
Guess what, Alabama dont. Guess whatelse, Alabama dont even do State Inspections on your car. Aint that something? I never even heard of a state that dont even do annual or even one time state inspections.
Dixit
01-17-2002, 04:55 PM
#13
Originally posted by BigDogJonx
Just got back from the shop, talked to Chang. He was cool, He said about $200 to make one. But he said that that there are two 90degree turns and with his mandrel bend machine, the bend is still going to come out somewhat flat. But to a point where they might be a 15% bottleneck in the bend.
I asked about a resonator that long, he did not have one. He said really I dont need one, he said since I already got the Straight Pipe, the Ypipe is not going to make it too much louder.
The only problem still remains, is if I want to use the stock resonator, there are two major crimps right before the resonator and after the resonator that we within 1-2"s of the resonator. This is going to make it very hard to get a new 2.5" pipe on it. Secondly, it seems as if the stock resonator and the pipe attached to it is only like 2".
This is going to turn into a larger project that I expected.
Dixit
Just got back from the shop, talked to Chang. He was cool, He said about $200 to make one. But he said that that there are two 90degree turns and with his mandrel bend machine, the bend is still going to come out somewhat flat. But to a point where they might be a 15% bottleneck in the bend.
I asked about a resonator that long, he did not have one. He said really I dont need one, he said since I already got the Straight Pipe, the Ypipe is not going to make it too much louder.
The only problem still remains, is if I want to use the stock resonator, there are two major crimps right before the resonator and after the resonator that we within 1-2"s of the resonator. This is going to make it very hard to get a new 2.5" pipe on it. Secondly, it seems as if the stock resonator and the pipe attached to it is only like 2".
This is going to turn into a larger project that I expected.
Dixit
01-17-2002, 05:02 PM
#14
Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE
hmmm... do they have smaller resonators available? I am pretty sure that it is going to get loud with a y-pipe and full exhaust.... maybe you can look for a resonator on your own and then bring it to them. I know they do good exhaust work and they are pretty reasonable...
hmmm... do they have smaller resonators available? I am pretty sure that it is going to get loud with a y-pipe and full exhaust.... maybe you can look for a resonator on your own and then bring it to them. I know they do good exhaust work and they are pretty reasonable...
Dixit
01-17-2002, 05:09 PM
#15
Originally posted by BigDogJonx
What about the problem with the mandrel bend question, he said I will still have about a 15% bottleneck there. He said the bend is going to be sort of FLAT. I dont think it is going to affect it a great deal at all.
Dixit
What about the problem with the mandrel bend question, he said I will still have about a 15% bottleneck there. He said the bend is going to be sort of FLAT. I dont think it is going to affect it a great deal at all.
Dixit
01-17-2002, 05:14 PM
#16
Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE
it would still be better than the crimps that are in the stock b-pipe... you probably can't get the diamter perfect over a 90 deg bend anyways.... or, you can wait and see what Cattman releases soon.... from what I hear, there is a b-pipe in the works for the 5th gen.
it would still be better than the crimps that are in the stock b-pipe... you probably can't get the diamter perfect over a 90 deg bend anyways.... or, you can wait and see what Cattman releases soon.... from what I hear, there is a b-pipe in the works for the 5th gen.
Well, I will probably put that off until someone releases one, DAN I think thest of the 5th GEN WORLD is waiting on the release of your Ypipe. I AM DYYYYYYYYYYING for one.
Dixit
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01-18-2002, 06:44 AM
#20
Originally posted by big h
Desi? LOL!!! Being desi means u are a cheapo! Shiet...u shoulda seen my family freak when i brought home my max....anyways, the pipe looks good...what was the cost?
Desi? LOL!!! Being desi means u are a cheapo! Shiet...u shoulda seen my family freak when i brought home my max....anyways, the pipe looks good...what was the cost?
I am selling the pipes in the FS forum. Its cost is $70 shipped. There is a picture in that thread showing how well made it is with two floating header clamps and both ends flanged.
Dixit
01-18-2002, 09:40 AM
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Re: Test-pipe installed
Originally posted by BigDogJonx
Just got it and installed it. Took about 45mins due to the fact that the damn stock cat is a biach to get off because of the permanent thread bolts. They stick out about 1.5" on each side and required me to freagin pull the back of the exhaust that much to get it off.
Then got the new testpipe on with no problems, used the stock gaskets, installed it. Drove it, nice gain, and happy with it.
http://bigdogjonx.gixxer.com/testpipe.html
There is a picture of what it looks like. Very simple since 2001 has no O2 sensor needed on the Testpipe.
The gains are pretty much throughout the rpm band, i mean it feels like less strain on the engine which allows it to rev up quicker, like my udp install. Since there is very little back pressure.
Just cant wait to get the Ypipe and install that, and get the custom Bpipe.
Lastly, who knows where I can get a long Azz resonator, like a 36" one. I want to drone out as much of the muffler noise as possible, after I get the Ypipe and Bpipe.
Dixit
Just got it and installed it. Took about 45mins due to the fact that the damn stock cat is a biach to get off because of the permanent thread bolts. They stick out about 1.5" on each side and required me to freagin pull the back of the exhaust that much to get it off.
Then got the new testpipe on with no problems, used the stock gaskets, installed it. Drove it, nice gain, and happy with it.
http://bigdogjonx.gixxer.com/testpipe.html
There is a picture of what it looks like. Very simple since 2001 has no O2 sensor needed on the Testpipe.
The gains are pretty much throughout the rpm band, i mean it feels like less strain on the engine which allows it to rev up quicker, like my udp install. Since there is very little back pressure.
Just cant wait to get the Ypipe and install that, and get the custom Bpipe.
Lastly, who knows where I can get a long Azz resonator, like a 36" one. I want to drone out as much of the muffler noise as possible, after I get the Ypipe and Bpipe.
Dixit
01-18-2002, 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by BigDogJonx
I am selling the pipes in the FS forum. Its cost is $70 shipped. There is a picture in that thread showing how well made it is with two floating header clamps and both ends flanged.
Dixit
I am selling the pipes in the FS forum. Its cost is $70 shipped. There is a picture in that thread showing how well made it is with two floating header clamps and both ends flanged.
Dixit
PayPal? Is so PM all details.
01-18-2002, 10:28 AM
#23
I wouldnt do the two(y-pipe and test pipe) 2gether, u lose too much low end. One or the other is best, prolly the y-pipe. You'll be calling the muffler shop in a year to put a cat back on. I have a Y, test, 12" resonator in place of cat, and then a 26" resonator after the test pipe and a turbo muffler, sounds good, quieter than most, but no gains. And I actually just got off with the phone with muffler shop about putting one back on like 3-5 minutes ago. Too much torque loss.
Do what floats your boat, this is just my expirience.
Do what floats your boat, this is just my expirience.
01-18-2002, 12:01 PM
#24
Originally posted by NmexMAX
I wouldnt do the two(y-pipe and test pipe) 2gether, u lose too much low end. One or the other is best, prolly the y-pipe. You'll be calling the muffler shop in a year to put a cat back on. I have a Y, test, 12" resonator in place of cat, and then a 26" resonator after the test pipe and a turbo muffler, sounds good, quieter than most, but no gains. And I actually just got off with the phone with muffler shop about putting one back on like 3-5 minutes ago. Too much torque loss.
Do what floats your boat, this is just my expirience.
I wouldnt do the two(y-pipe and test pipe) 2gether, u lose too much low end. One or the other is best, prolly the y-pipe. You'll be calling the muffler shop in a year to put a cat back on. I have a Y, test, 12" resonator in place of cat, and then a 26" resonator after the test pipe and a turbo muffler, sounds good, quieter than most, but no gains. And I actually just got off with the phone with muffler shop about putting one back on like 3-5 minutes ago. Too much torque loss.
Do what floats your boat, this is just my expirience.
I mean right now I got a nice boost off that testpipe. I still have my stock cat, I dont plan on selling it, maybe if you right, I will get the highflow. I will have to see though.
Dixit
01-18-2002, 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by NmexMAX
I wouldnt do the two(y-pipe and test pipe) 2gether, u lose too much low end. One or the other is best, prolly the y-pipe. You'll be calling the muffler shop in a year to put a cat back on. I have a Y, test, 12" resonator in place of cat, and then a 26" resonator after the test pipe and a turbo muffler, sounds good, quieter than most, but no gains. And I actually just got off with the phone with muffler shop about putting one back on like 3-5 minutes ago. Too much torque loss.
Do what floats your boat, this is just my expirience.
I wouldnt do the two(y-pipe and test pipe) 2gether, u lose too much low end. One or the other is best, prolly the y-pipe. You'll be calling the muffler shop in a year to put a cat back on. I have a Y, test, 12" resonator in place of cat, and then a 26" resonator after the test pipe and a turbo muffler, sounds good, quieter than most, but no gains. And I actually just got off with the phone with muffler shop about putting one back on like 3-5 minutes ago. Too much torque loss.
Do what floats your boat, this is just my expirience.
01-18-2002, 03:22 PM
#26
Originally posted by BigDogJonx
Wait wait, not flaming, but just want more info. How is putting the testpipe in combo with the Ypipe gonna lose low end? The I mean think of it as putting a Highflow Cat on it. What is the difference?
I mean right now I got a nice boost off that testpipe. I still have my stock cat, I dont plan on selling it, maybe if you right, I will get the highflow. I will have to see though.
Dixit
Wait wait, not flaming, but just want more info. How is putting the testpipe in combo with the Ypipe gonna lose low end? The I mean think of it as putting a Highflow Cat on it. What is the difference?
I mean right now I got a nice boost off that testpipe. I still have my stock cat, I dont plan on selling it, maybe if you right, I will get the highflow. I will have to see though.
Dixit
01-18-2002, 03:27 PM
#27
Originally posted by NmexMAX
I dunno, obvioisly I though it would gain me a lot more, because I did it. try it out. i didnt say dont do it. i jsut told you what happened to me. I read a post earlier that a guy did a test with an 96 impala, i know, nothing like the max, but he tested it and saw no gains in hp w/o the cat, only a 12 ft/lb loss, and with the cat, obviously a 12 ft/lb gain as compared to cat-less. when i did my cat, it pulled harder than ever, then the y-pipe came and it got loud so i put the resonators on and it got quieted, but the low end wasn/t as great. RT car still holds backpressure, and obviously restricts slightly, and the y-pipe restrics less, so coupled the low end may suffer. look inside a cat, they're ugly and very restricive looking, think about a atr8 pipe, that's letting a lot of restriction go, so on a vq30de-k, you might prosper more catless and y-piped because of its ability to out-do a 4th gen on the hi-end, so plze note, i'm in a 4th gen, so i bet all this reply was a waste becasue i dont have the top end you do....hmm, something to think about.
I dunno, obvioisly I though it would gain me a lot more, because I did it. try it out. i didnt say dont do it. i jsut told you what happened to me. I read a post earlier that a guy did a test with an 96 impala, i know, nothing like the max, but he tested it and saw no gains in hp w/o the cat, only a 12 ft/lb loss, and with the cat, obviously a 12 ft/lb gain as compared to cat-less. when i did my cat, it pulled harder than ever, then the y-pipe came and it got loud so i put the resonators on and it got quieted, but the low end wasn/t as great. RT car still holds backpressure, and obviously restricts slightly, and the y-pipe restrics less, so coupled the low end may suffer. look inside a cat, they're ugly and very restricive looking, think about a atr8 pipe, that's letting a lot of restriction go, so on a vq30de-k, you might prosper more catless and y-piped because of its ability to out-do a 4th gen on the hi-end, so plze note, i'm in a 4th gen, so i bet all this reply was a waste becasue i dont have the top end you do....hmm, something to think about.
Dixit
01-18-2002, 03:46 PM
#28
Originally posted by BigDogJonx
Like I said, I wasnt flaming, just wanted some good info. And thank you for it. I will be sure to keep you in touch when I get the Ypipe installed. I will let you know how it feels, though I will most likely have to remove it and reinstall the cat to truly tell the difference.
Dixit
Like I said, I wasnt flaming, just wanted some good info. And thank you for it. I will be sure to keep you in touch when I get the Ypipe installed. I will let you know how it feels, though I will most likely have to remove it and reinstall the cat to truly tell the difference.
Dixit
01-18-2002, 03:55 PM
#30
Originally posted by MAX2000JP
BigDog...how much hp do you think the "test pipe" adds? I would think maybe 2-3, but I could be wrong. I am interesed in this mod in conjunction with a B-pipe. I figure this combo might be worth 5 hp.
BigDog...how much hp do you think the "test pipe" adds? I would think maybe 2-3, but I could be wrong. I am interesed in this mod in conjunction with a B-pipe. I figure this combo might be worth 5 hp.
I can still get them, the pipes are $70 shipped, the pic is in the FS forum, it has two flanged ends, and two floating header clamps. Which makes it easy to install and remove. Like a 10min job.
Dixit
01-18-2002, 04:03 PM
#31
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Originally posted by BigDogJonx
Well my butt says it is for sure 5hp. Cause top end just roars now. I even had the sales manager of Rosenthal Nissan (Gaitherburg MD) drive it today, and he said it pulls hard, like his 3.5SE Max that he drives as a demo. So I can then assume I am correct since I might be partial to my car.
I can still get them, the pipes are $70 shipped, the pic is in the FS forum, it has two flanged ends, and two floating header clamps. Which makes it easy to install and remove. Like a 10min job.
Dixit
Well my butt says it is for sure 5hp. Cause top end just roars now. I even had the sales manager of Rosenthal Nissan (Gaitherburg MD) drive it today, and he said it pulls hard, like his 3.5SE Max that he drives as a demo. So I can then assume I am correct since I might be partial to my car.
I can still get them, the pipes are $70 shipped, the pic is in the FS forum, it has two flanged ends, and two floating header clamps. Which makes it easy to install and remove. Like a 10min job.
Dixit
01-18-2002, 07:47 PM
#32
Originally posted by MAX2000JP
Cool...you still gonna have them for sale in about a month? Have you heard any info on getting B-pipe made. I already have a Y-pipe, but the "test pipe" and b-pipe combo should be a decent gain IMHO.
Cool...you still gonna have them for sale in about a month? Have you heard any info on getting B-pipe made. I already have a Y-pipe, but the "test pipe" and b-pipe combo should be a decent gain IMHO.
Now if the Cattman is less than that for just the Bpipe, I will just get that.
Dixit
01-18-2002, 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by BigDogJonx
Well I got a quote of $200 to custom make a Bpipe mandrel bent at my local muffler shop.
Now if the Cattman is less than that for just the Bpipe, I will just get that.
Dixit
Well I got a quote of $200 to custom make a Bpipe mandrel bent at my local muffler shop.
Now if the Cattman is less than that for just the Bpipe, I will just get that.
Dixit
01-18-2002, 07:57 PM
#34
Originally posted by PhatGuy
200 bucks? Hmmm Seems high to me. I don't think I would pay that much...maybe if it was stainless steel.
200 bucks? Hmmm Seems high to me. I don't think I would pay that much...maybe if it was stainless steel.
I think it is almost right on. Think about the greddy, it is a catback, and costs $550. Now you and I know the muffler itself aint worth more than $200 tops, that leaves the bpipe with the resonator, I dont think it is worth $300. But they have the market since they one of the only companies doing catbacks. Plus they are the best company. Cattman soon to release their Catback for around $400. But I just want their Bpipe since Cattman said they will sell it separately.
I will be selling these Testpipes even a month from now, As long as my buddy can continue to make them in the shop. Just let me know.
Dixit
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