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Old Feb 29, 2016 | 08:20 AM
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Trans/clutch prob??? help

Hey Guys looking for some advice on my car, since you probably know more than i do.. Long story short i have a 2000 maxima 164xxx miles 5spd trans. i blew the input shaft barring in july16 bought a used trans and a new clutch in sept15

exedy clutch oem , the trans is from a 97 maxima with 70k apparently
he used mt90 fluid during install and flushed the other stuff out.

a local shop installed but used the 4th gen clutch linkage witch makes my shifter sit a big higher.and moving into 1st and 2nd was weird like no resistance just slid up and down. but everything was good until now going to 1st on a roll down is hard, its like it gets stuck half way and my engine revs, and sometimes at a normal stop it wont fully go into 1st. 2nd gear moves back and forth a lot. during acceleration it sits back where it should and when i let off the gas it moves forward , if i hit a bump hard slow down to much it will pop out and grind a tiny bit when i put it back.. and sometimes i have to give it gas to go into 3rd but not often.. lastly idk if this is correlated to the trans but i have brand new tires and after 60mph a decent amount of vibration from the hood maybe a rim is bent tho. just wondering if that can effect it.. car is maintained nicely oil changes etc. any ideas will be greatly appreciated praying its not the trans again.
Old Feb 29, 2016 | 09:09 PM
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Why didn't he use the original linkage off the 5th gen? That seems strange to me. I don't think that the connecting ends are that different but they may be either longer or shorter depending on how you look at it. Might be a number of things.
First thing is first though. Have you looked at it? Can you good view of the linkage? If so are you able to take a picture.
Might also be your motor mounts especially if the entire assembly is moving in second gear, as the linkage is a direct link to the tranny.
Old Mar 1, 2016 | 07:01 AM
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Why didn't he use the original linkage off the 5th gen? That seems strange to me. I don't think that the connecting ends are that different but they may be either longer or shorter depending on how you look at it. Might be a number of things.
First thing is first though. Have you looked at it? Can you good view of the linkage? If so are you able to take a picture.
Might also be your motor mounts especially if the entire assembly is moving in second gear, as the linkage is a direct link to the tranny.
might have been a language barrier when i told him to use the 5th gen linkage. he already had gotten rid of the old trans with the linkage. and i can possibly get some pictures on tonight, havent looked at it tho. and yeah it moves defiantly the most in 2nd gear , and now today i cant get it in first gear at all this morning.
Old Mar 1, 2016 | 07:04 AM
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and also when i say the gear shifter moves in 2nd gear, the whole car kind of bops a bit when i let off the gas
Old Mar 1, 2016 | 08:46 AM
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I am not there, but the symptoms you're describing sounds like you have a couple other issues.
A: the tranny might be shot
B: the motor mounts are definitely shot
C: The linkage sounds to be the improper length, I can compare P/N's for them later today but I don't think they are the same.
D: when you say it "bops" does it make a noise of any kind? like a bang, or anything?

Here is a thread that discusses some of the differences in 4th?5th gen trannies. dont read the arguments they're wasted space.
Been a while since i've worked on a manual 4th/early 5th. Shop I own doesn't see many early cars anymore, they've all gone to the rotting fields. Ottawa sucks for salt use.
Old Mar 1, 2016 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Brudface
I am not there, but the symptoms you're describing sounds like you have a couple other issues.
A: the tranny might be shot
B: the motor mounts are definitely shot
C: The linkage sounds to be the improper length, I can compare P/N's for them later today but I don't think they are the same.
D: when you say it "bops" does it make a noise of any kind? like a bang, or anything?

Here is a thread that discusses some of the differences in 4th?5th gen trannies. dont read the arguments they're wasted space.
Been a while since i've worked on a manual 4th/early 5th. Shop I own doesn't see many early cars anymore, they've all gone to the rotting fields. Ottawa sucks for salt use.

no noise when bopping , just jumping as if ur rpms are high and suddenly letting of throttle. and also forgot to mention in neutral the shifter gets stuck in the neutral and you need to play around to get it to the left side to engage 1/2. now you seem knowledgeable , i got a quick idea from a local mechanic he mentioned the radiotr support is a bit rust which can cause the problem im having. is that possible?
Old Mar 1, 2016 | 08:26 PM
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That's why I asked if there was a noise at all when the motor is flexing. Quick check of that would be to put the car in neutral, pop the hood and flick the TB a couple of times. you might need a friend to help you out with it. Take a gander under the car to see if the cross beam is moving AT all. Also check to see how much the motor physically moves as well. you will notice if it's TOO much trust me.
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Bearings inside maybe shot.
Old Mar 1, 2016 | 10:45 PM
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Bearings inside maybe shot.
Yes the bearings inside the tranny might be shot but I am trying to weed that out as last resort. Which is why i put the tranny being shot as A.
Sometimes you have to work a little backwards before going forwards.
Old Mar 2, 2016 | 06:43 AM
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im going to pop the hood a little later and see how it looks when i open the throttle, might drop off the car at mechanic today also and see what he says. but question, lets say worse case scenerio the bearings inside the tranny is shot , to fix that would that be consider a tranny rebuild?
Old Mar 2, 2016 | 08:50 AM
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Yes and no. It's not a full rebuild more of a freshen up. As you're only replacing the bearings, it's not cheap either. BUT at least you know what you're getting and that it's pretty much new!
Old Mar 2, 2016 | 09:09 AM
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welp just got the call from the mechanic around here. he said the trans is throwing the gears, hes going to take a look at the linkage now tho and see how it looks .. but i guess ill have to rebuild the tranny or find a used one.
Old Mar 2, 2016 | 07:28 PM
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Sounds about right I was hooping it'd be something else. Hard to diagnose it without pics, or not being there.
To be honest I would take it to a reputable trans shop and inquire around how much. Prices change drastically between Canada and the US, especially parts. Unless you can find a decent trans for what you want to pay.
I don't know if you have a local pick and pull with one there. Sometimes they are able to start and you can row em through the gears. Which would help out a bit.
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yeah im going to start asking around tomorrow.. this sucks , 2nd trans in a year i need to stop using craigslist lol...thanks for all your help btw, last thing i would like to ask any idea round about, how long i can drive this thing i would be taking off from 2nd gear since 1st isnt working i dont want to ruin the clutch too much, any idea off your head?
Old Mar 3, 2016 | 08:50 PM
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Well in all reality it really depends on whats going on inside. If the bearings seize it'll cook the clutch as well as the flywheel and pressure plate. If the gears break inside it's going to do the same thing. I'd be very hesitant to drive it anymore than a week TOPS.
The clutch will be fine taking off in second gear for the life of the disc, that doesn't matter much. It's what happens when everything goes inside the tranny is the issue. The input shaft might just seize causing the disc to stop spinning, if you catch my drift here.
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Old Mar 4, 2016 | 06:00 AM
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Well in all reality it really depends on whats going on inside. If the bearings seize it'll cook the clutch as well as the flywheel and pressure plate. If the gears break inside it's going to do the same thing. I'd be very hesitant to drive it anymore than a week TOPS. The clutch will be fine taking off in second gear for the life of the disc, that doesn't matter much. It's what happens when everything goes inside the tranny is the issue. The input shaft might just seize causing the disc to stop spinning, if you catch my drift here.
Yup totally get what your saying. I wont drive it then doesnt sound to smart , and my mechanic just called again and said nows hes thinking its the clutch linkage being to short causing the issue lol .jesus
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problem is finding one
Old Mar 4, 2016 | 09:24 AM
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Hey so he confirmed its the clutch linkage. Does anyone have any idea where the hell i can buy a 5th gen linkage. New or used doesnt matter. Any ideas ive been looking all morning
Old Mar 4, 2016 | 09:32 PM
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Junk yard/ Pick and pull.
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problem is finding one
Car-part.com ? I've bought from a couple distant junkyards by searching with that site.

I don't think I've seen a manual 4th or 5.0 gen in a junkyard. That's gonna take some luck.

Ebay seems to have shifter parts.

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